HB2436 Cougar Bear/ Dogs and Baiting

Slab · 03-27-2003, 06:18 PM

House Bill 2436
This bill would make it legal to use Dogs and Baiting on Bears and cougars again.It has passed the commmittee.Now it is off to the House Floor.No matter if the House passes it our NEW GOVERNOR says he will VETO it.

sliverslinger · 03-27-2003, 07:45 PM

Why does he have the authority to do that? This should be a vote of the people, not one person. What does he have against hounds or baiting? Maybe we should take him out to the woods and feed him to a cougar or even a bear, lol. Maybe when one of these animals attack someone close to him he will reconsider. Does he even know what it is like to try to get a bear or cougar on spot and stalk, you have to become the bait yourself. To me thats not worth the money. When you call them in they are coming in to eat, and you are dinner. We should vote him out of office and get someone in there who knows what this is all about.

GutshotApe · 03-27-2003, 08:27 PM

Uncle Ted may be a Democrat but he isn't completely stupid. He can count votes...and he remembers the people voted for the ban...twice.

I heard something on the news today to the effect that the backers of the bill have decided to remove all references to bears and bring it back for another try only allowing dogs to hunt cougars.

[ 03-27-2003, 09:28 PM: Message edited by: GutshotApe ]

HOGGEMIN · 03-27-2003, 08:50 PM

No we arn't going to budge on this we are haveing a coalition meeting between the groups involved in monday in Salem. Will have more info Monday night.

KingFisher85 · 03-27-2003, 09:03 PM

I would like to be able to see traping come back. Once I start getting into it, they go and ban it.

hen slayer · 03-27-2003, 09:15 PM

Hey KF
Have you ever been by a bear?

Hoosier Daddy · 03-28-2003, 07:44 AM

The real issue here, like GSA said, is that there are enough people in Oregon that don't like it to keep it from flying, and yes Bowler Teddy does know what side his bread is buttered on. Can't really blame him there, it wouldn't fly anyway. What needs to be done is a serious amount of education on the topic, not emotional arguments about how many dogs, cats, and joggers will be attacked by cougars in the next few years. Unfortunately, one such effort to scientifically study the impacts of cougar abundance on wildlife was kyboshed recently because those who don't want predators hunted have been much more proactive than those who do. B**ching doesn't do it. You have to beat them to the punch and present a better argument than they do.

KingFisher85 · 03-28-2003, 10:53 AM

hen slayer~YES, way to close :shocked:

jdbrightfish · 03-28-2003, 11:07 PM

you know we have nobody but ourselfs to blame for them doing away with using dogs for hunting we just sat on our hands and said "oh this won't go through" and guess what i did and now everybody want to get it back, good luck. I went to alot of the WILDLIFE meeting and nobody wanted to say much, The only ones talking was the protester about how unsportsmanlike it was to use dogs.Some said just give them animals a chance to live , now look the cat and bears are in town . I think the animals need to eat more house pets, just let them stew over what they did , the protesters did it and carma is not such a bad thing . I figure something good might come out of this I hope.Its just me talking I am just whinning like everybody else.

Crayfin · 03-28-2003, 11:49 PM

Beings that Oregon is in a "budget crisis" I wonder if anyone has added up what it costs the state to go on damage complaints or what their paying government hunters to go out and kill these critters?

In a time where funds are tight--why would they not consider this? There are plenty of people out there that would gladly pursue bears if the rules were different. I go every year strickly for bears and I think it is fun as hell, but I used to see alot more when you could bait them in-you also saw whether or not they had cubs because you were able to look at them. We almopst shot a sow with 3 cubs last year after watching it for an hour and never seeing a cub because she was 100 yards from them and they were up in a tree! Had she not been so far away when we saw here the results would have been very disturbing indeed!

Just a though

Crayfin

steelhooked · 03-29-2003, 05:12 PM

if only they could understand how much time and effort is involved in dog hunting that might shed some light on a few of them. a lot more goes into the sport than the general sport of hunting, they can't just pull them out of the safe and go, sight in once or twice,or scout a few days, and can't just say heck with it when the hunting looks rough, where them dog go you go. it is a everyday maintenance feeding and caring for them during season and off season. if you question this as a sport than just hire one to go and you will understand. i have been several times and found it to be very legit and very respectable.

jdbrightfish · 03-29-2003, 08:00 PM

yea how easy is it to chase your dogs all day and not find them until the next morning if your lucky, wish hunting with dogs was as easy as the protester think it is, I've been out for 2 day looking and listening to a dam beeping on the tracking machine and waiting for the right tone to come up , and when you get to them its a bobcat cause they back tracker it and lost the scent of the bear that you had been after for months on end. YEA HOW FUN IT IS . I CAN'T SAY THAT IT WASN'T FUN CAUSE IT WAS FUN :smile:

Fish Hawg · 03-29-2003, 08:14 PM

I agree w/ steelhooked and jdbrightfish Imo not many people know how much work and time goes in to hound hunting from puppy training to finding and tracking your own dogs, i would like them to reopen the season/sport Quick Fisher

highdesertdrifter · 03-30-2003, 05:30 AM

i.m.o. I think we would have a better chance of putting the regulations in the hands of the fish and wildlife people. I dont think it would ever pass a vote of the people. h,d,

stick flicker · 03-31-2003, 07:19 AM

I would support the houndsmen in the case of cougars because I don't see any other sane way to get them. But, I wouldn't support them for bears. It just isn't nessary. I glass alot when hunting and get off the main roads. I saw 5 bears last year while hunting elk and deer in the cascades and had plenty of chances to harvest one. I don't like the dogs out running bears in the areas that I like to hunt in. I have had howling hounds ruin a couple of good hunts by scaring the elk heards. Just my opinion.

sliverslinger · 03-31-2003, 10:58 PM

Stickflicker, we used to run bear with hounds all the time until they passed this stupid law. We used to have a good time. We didnt always get a bear, there is no sure way to guarantee that you will tree the bear. Heck we have even had to go to the dogs and get the tracking collars back off of them when the bear killed them. We could put into effect that you could run bear with dogs in the spring only. Then they wouldnt chase off your elk herds "heards". I bowhunt bears and it would be a little easier to harvest one if you could use bait, but there is still no guarantee that they will come in when you want them to.
I wish I knew what our governer had in his head why he would VETO the bill.
just my .02

Lepper · 04-02-2003, 09:05 PM

Heck, you could put a picture of a chicken treed by a dog on the tv and people would vote to save the chicken and stop the abuse....

I think they should allow it. They need someway to get the population down especially in the cats.

jdbrightfish · 04-03-2003, 05:03 AM

they already had some reports of cats in portland and other town in Oregon and people saying that they have had family pets come up missing , well i wonder why that is. They don't have the hunting pressure like when we could use dog and and if we could use dogs the cats and bears would or might never get to the towns. Hunting with dogs is not as easy as they think it is . When I could use dogs i passed up alot of bears just because it wasn't the one i was looking for, to me i think that was very sportsman like to pass up a bear and try for another one , there was years i never filed my tag just for the simple fact that i didn't like the ones i found, i spent the money and didn't use the tag . don't figure huh :whazzup:

steelhooked · 04-10-2003, 12:05 AM

stickflicker, it is definitely your opinion and nothing wrong with it, but like sliverslinger was mentioning about spring bear hunting is that bears follow the elk heards around waiting for calves to drop. the more bear there are, well you get the picture. only going to get worse every year. every spring bears also peel bark and kill many many trees, they can devistate a area peeling bark. to endorse a spring only bear hunt with dogs or bait would only do good in my opinion for everyone.