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Old 08-02-2005, 06:50 PM   #1
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Default a chinook secret now out of the bag!!

well it has been a while since I have posted a tech like tip so here goes.

this is a tip about a technique that I am far from mastering but I have done a few times with great succes and that I spent a few days learning, this last week with a good friend in California. we call it doggin most call it hover fishing, free drifting bait etc.... it is very similiar to boon doggin or side drifting for steelhead but with a few modifications.


I first saw this in action by a tillmaook area guide who has a heck of a reputation for whaleing on fish by the name of Clancy Holt. he is a master of this technique and I have seen it in action. how he rigs it I am not sure but here is how we do it and what we do it with.

The idea is to get a fairly light action rod and tie off a dropper rig like you would to troll with. I like anywhere from a 1 to 6 oz. wieght depending on the current and the depth you need to fish. mine looks like this.

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I start with a main line of 50 pound braid and add a slideing dropper about 18 inches long then tie off with a 3 oz wieght. I have found that 3 oz is where I usualy end up fishing in water between 20 and 30 feet with little to no current. I have only fished this in tideal areas never up higher in systems so in tidal areas this is some what easy to find and the curent is similar to that found in nearly every tidal area just to give you an idea. but from that I add a 8mm bead and tie on a swivel to a leader of between 20 and 30 pounds which is light by most standards for the fall. I like to fish a longer leader about 5 to 6 feet in length and I split that with another swivel or a bead chain to keep tangles down. I have not yet broken off with this set up on a 30 pound line but I do usualy bobber fish with 40 pound leader so I always think about it while I fish. but for this even 20 will work as long as you are carefull. then I finish it off with a 6/0 hook with an egg loop and in the end it look's like this.
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to that I add a good size glob of eggs and now I am ready to fish!!

This is where the technique is won or lost I like to mark my line every 5 feet so i know exactly how deep I am fishing just like I do my bobber rods. then as I mark fish in a hole I simply strip my line down to the desired depth and I am able to keep that bait right in there faces and like you geussed you can motor the boat right around or stay right on top of the fish and hold that bait right there for as long as you want in most cases I like to slowly drift through the entire hole and I lift and lower my bait as I mark fish in driferent areas of the run. with a good kicker or even oars you can keep the angle of the line off of the rod at a 90 degree angle to ensure that the bait is right next to the boat. this is where a heavier weight is good since it keeps the drag out of the line and allows the line to be nearly straight down so every bite is seen on the rod. and the bait is kept right where it needs to be.

now the bite, the bite is a funny bite I have only seen one good pound down most of the bites are a fluttery bite for me where the rod sort of wiggles around or slowly bow's. Just like a bobber bite always wait for the wieght of the fish then just lift it up hard there is no need for a hammering hook set since the bait right beside you. the hook angle is great and with braid you have no stretch so a solid hook set is the norm. just work on keeping the angle at 90 degrees and slowly controling the bait around the hole at the right depth and you will get fish. it is like mooching with eggs. so you must wait it out and be sure the fish has a good bite on it.

this will work in almost all the spots that you can bobber fish and unlike bobber fishing you can adjust the depth nearly imediately and keep the bait in the water rather then reeling up and fixing a bobber stop. we all know the longer the bait is in the water the better. This is a new to me way of doing it that I hope can get used by some of you as well to put more fish in the boat like it has for me. I am far from a pro at this so I will be doing little things this summer and fall to learn this way better but as I do I will post new ways of doing it. but if you think about it when you get it learned it can be deadly efective in tidewater for sure!! just imagine being able to hold a bait of eggs right infront of a bunch of chromers waiting to move up river I remeber a quote by a great eggg fisherman and guide Scott Amerman in an older isue of S.T.S in it he said he thought he could get any fish to bite in tidewater if he gets his eggs infront of them.( or somthing very similar sorry if I mis quote you Scott ) this has been through my mind a million time's since I read it and this is a nails technique to doing just that puting baits infront of fish and keeping them there in a natural slow drift!!

good luck this fall and summer
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Old 08-02-2005, 06:54 PM   #2
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I don't know if I would say secret but under used for sure.Saw Clancy do that on the Nehalem a few years ago,he was hitting the fish pretty well.Good tech report Jeff.

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Old 08-02-2005, 06:55 PM   #3
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Looks good. Thanks for the info. I'll have to try it this fall.
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Old 08-02-2005, 07:08 PM   #4
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The blue background kind of kills the pics
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Old 08-02-2005, 07:43 PM   #5
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Default Re: a chinook secret now out of the bag!!

it is a pretty basic set up just like a slideing dropper for a trolling rig you would use. sorry for the quailty I just had it setting on the ping pong table so i used it. I hope the description is better then the pics
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Old 08-02-2005, 07:51 PM   #6
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Jeff, You are absolutely right about this technique. Absolutley deadly! I've seen Clancy and some others put on several "clinics" over the years.

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Old 08-02-2005, 10:12 PM   #7
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I have heard of this technique in the past but have never tried it. It makes sense.

Do you stay with the current like side drifting or do you hold in one spot and/or move around wherever?

Why such long of leader, especially for Chinook? Could you get away with a shorter leader for better bite detection given the conditions?

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Old 08-03-2005, 04:18 AM   #8
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We use that system in various places..very deadly..in slack water we call it hover fishing, if you have current and are working it back and backtrolling it's back bouncing of sorts.

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Old 08-03-2005, 08:01 AM   #9
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Thanks for the tip. Great post. I'll have to try it...Wait, I need a boat first..HEHE.
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Old 08-03-2005, 11:16 AM   #10
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Default Re: a chinook secret now out of the bag!!

a shorter leader will work but the longer leader allows it to float around a little more naturaly. I will try both I have only done it with the longer leader but I dont see why a shorter wont work?? as long as you have good eggs the fish will come!
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nice post jeff, i tried this up in ak last month, only tried it once didnt get anything, but all the boats around us were slautering them doing this method, i guess they just call it dragging bait, they jsut turn there boats paralelle to the current and toss them upstream from the boat and just free float down and just....drag the bait on the bottom. looks good!
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Old 08-03-2005, 10:28 PM   #12
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I have done it up there as well when I did it there we seemed to more or less slowly drag the bottom more like a slow dragging back bounce. with this you dont want to hit the bottom but cruise through at a good 90 degree angle. the angle is the most important part next to good bait
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So your bait is sitting right under the boat, at a given depth?
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you got it!
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Old 08-04-2005, 12:42 PM   #15
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Lots of guys call it "hover fishing". Very effective method.

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Old 08-04-2005, 02:26 PM   #16
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Hover fishing, been doing it for years.

Very good explination, well done.

Sthldr1 is a pro on one of those WA rivers.

I do it in TW, but actually prefer watching the bobber. With the right bobber you can still see the bite, wrong bobber and you are just taking up space as you will never see the light soft bite.

I use smaller baits for hover fishing compared to most average size baits.

Have been known to take fish on things other than eggs in holes where eggs have been fished for hours.......
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Old 08-04-2005, 09:54 PM   #17
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I will have to ask kieth for a lesson when he mails me my cure

to those of that are new to bobber fishing you just got a great tip the smallest bobber you can use the better look at guys that get a ton of nooks and there floats are barely tipping out of the water. try it this year and you will notice you have been missing a lot of bites not all salmon sink that float probably half of my bobber tidewater bites dont realy bomb it just tip it under. great tip
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