Dog tricks: Real cute! NOT!

Jennie@ifish · 02-01-2003, 03:21 PM

I thought it would be real cute to get Kilchis all excited when we saw another dog, while driving.

I'd say, "Kilchis! There's another dog!!!"

Well, now it's not so cute anymore. He barks constantly in the car, at cows, horses, dogs.... It's driving me nuts!

How can I get him now, to unlearn what I so stupidly taught him????

I thought about a spray bottle of water, and "NO BARK" commands... Is that all I can do?

Jen

1pump · 02-01-2003, 05:13 PM

Well, there's electronic bark collars that zap the dog when he gets vocal. A while back on the news one night there was a story about bark collars that release citronella(sp?) when the dog barks. In the news video, the dog would bark once, then immediately would get a look on his face like he just bit into a rotten egg. He also tried to back away from the smell.
I don't know if it would work in the car. You might wind up blasting yourself and everybody else riding with you.

Norm · 02-02-2003, 07:50 PM

Consistancy is the key. Praise him when you say "No Bark" and he stops. If he doesn't stop, try a rolled up newspaper(keep one handy in the car) usually just the sound of you grabbing the paper will get his attention. Maybe he's just in that "teenage" doggy stage

and you just need to get his attention .

Boedy · 02-02-2003, 07:59 PM

Jen

I would use the E collar on him for sure will stop him barking real fast. Make sure you try it on him outside first because it will take him a little to figure out how to make it stop buzzing. I have had good luck with them on my dog and the get the idea in a hurry. Just the sight of an E collar turns my lab into an angel.

Chum King · 02-02-2003, 08:09 PM

I would have to second the bark collar approach. My dog has always been very vocal, and would bark constantly for hours if something wasn't the way she wanted. For several years I tried to address the problem with squirt guns, buckets of water, rolled up newspapers, etc. No luck.

I was at a friend's house one evening, we put my dog in the kennel to visit with his dogs, and all she would do was bark and whine. My friend asked if I wanted to try his bark collar, and within minutes she had been zapped, and quieted down. That two hour visit with the collar was enough to drop the barking to almost nil for over two weeks.

That was enough to spur me into purchasing one of the collars, and it has been one of the best investments of my life. I have only had to use it for occassional short stints when Keta begins to stray. Generally, she doesn't end up having to wear the collar. Nowadays, when she barks, there is a good reason for it.

Jennie@ifish · 02-03-2003, 04:38 AM

Do bark collars hurt, or release citronella?
I would like to try one.
Every time I go fishing, and am getting ready, it's a constant barking stream that started fun, but is now annoying.
Plus, I'm worried if we take him hunting he'll be a real barking nuisance.
Jen

Sturgeon Tom · 02-03-2003, 07:43 AM

I would use a spray bottle, a no bark, quiet, etc command, and a treat with good boy or some positive command. It is amazing what this will produce. It should not take that long to stop.

DriftR · 02-03-2003, 08:25 AM

Jennie,
Much has been written about dog collars and how pets react to them. Personally, I never have used one. My buddy (yellow lab, 14 1/2 yrs young) was and still is a barker. But when I want her to stop she gets a stern and loud "QUIET". If she stops she usually gets a "cherrio treat". If she doesn't well I just look her right in the eyes (remember this is about 2'-3' away) and repeat the command again.
She is a real friend and companion to me as well as my wife and two daughters. Just work on training them each and every day for about 10-15 minutes. I guess I never wanted to have my buddy trained on a collar, I guess I'm too softhearted for that. Patience and retraining her after she learned a bad trait is the owners responsibility. I just like spending time with my dog. Dogs have been trained for years without the aid of collars, I just prefer to work with my buddy as much as possible and even today see the progress we both make.

Flatfish · 02-03-2003, 08:09 PM

Wonder dog( he is the one on my left) is our first. I learned a lot more than the poor dog did those first couple years.

Sure is a lot easier to never learn than it is to unlearn.

Bark collar is a good idea, but not the only tool to teach "Quiet".

Mark and the sometimes barky, but it's my fault dog.

Jennie@ifish · 02-04-2003, 05:31 AM

I am leaning towards no collar, but I will look into them at the show.
It just sounds so brutal. My Kilchme is me babbeeeeee. :smile:
I think I'll start with the spray bottle, and if that doesn't work.....

Jen

JeepMcMuddy · 02-04-2003, 01:26 PM

Jennie-
I collar trained my Bailey. I wouldnt do anything to her I was prepared to do myself, sooooo I attached the collar to my leg and gave my self a "correction" nothing, so I went through all 8 levels of intensity and it really isnt bad (bailey only needed level 3). I was told by a dog trainer that the shock doesnt hurt the dog, and that the shock cycle is too quick for a dog to even register it as pain, it surprises them and causes them to lose track of what they were doing (or not doing) momentarilly. (kinda like Bark, Bark zap! WHAT WAS THAT???) This followed by a command and reward can reassure them.

The model I have beeps first followed by the shock. After a few times of shocking, I only needed to beep it. Bailey would respond the same as if I had shocked her, even though I hadn't. (Thanks Pavlov!) It works great!

Matt "JeepMcMuddy"

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Bankbound · 02-04-2003, 03:31 PM

Jeep it must have a different effect on the neck, because I once watched as one of my genius buddies late one evening put one on (insert standard Ifish disclaimer) :shocked: . Well, as his luck would have it we found the controller and he could not get it off fast enough. He said it hurt pretty badly. We hardly noticed with all the tears of laughter in our eyes. I'm not sure I would put one on my dog, but if I see a person put one on they will get a quick lesson in Darwinism!

Tagster · 02-04-2003, 04:30 PM

Jennie, I have used both types, the citronella and the shock collar.

I only used the shock collar three times...the first and second times worked great...the third time Lucy, my border collie, was in her crate and kinda coughed, well that cough set off the first level...it surprised her and she made some other noise which set off the second level...that one hurt kinda, so she whined, which set off the third level, which really hurt her so she yelped...and on and on until level nine had her just lying on the bottom of her crate and looked at me like why the heck are you hurting me this way (well, probably not, but, that is how my wife interpreted it)... :depressed:

That day I threw away the shock collar and bought the citronella one. all it does is emit a small spritz of the smell (which isn't unpleasant...think of mosquito coils) directly up into her nose...after two days with this collar and lots of positive reinforcement, we haven't had any troubles at all and it has been 2 years...

Without more training for me on the proper application of the shock collar, I would not use it again.

Tag

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RipDatLip · 02-04-2003, 06:21 PM

Physical reprimand.

Matt

TJB · 02-04-2003, 08:04 PM

I used the bark collar. The dog learned not to bark while wearing the collar. When the collar was off she would bark. If they are set to high they can burn a dog.

hickwithaflyrod · 02-12-2003, 06:35 PM

Jennie,
I�m a dog trainer and training collars do hurt but they are effective. If you don�t like the collar because it hurts then I don�t know what to tell you except if your dog fishes with you DON�T do the water bottle thing because then you�ll never get him to cross a creek or any other type of water that you want him to go through. For my dog all I have to do is tell her to go get in the back it just kills her because she has been in the front sense she was a puppy and its �her seat� between my father and I. But what I do is grab the nose and gently squeeze then firmly say �NO BARK.� Or you can grab the ear bend it back and pinch it they hate that but it is really effective for me when training or getting rid of bad habits.

Jennie@ifish · 02-12-2003, 06:55 PM

Never thought about the water association.
Good thinking.

J

tailchaser · 02-13-2003, 09:28 AM

I have a regular shock collar for my lab but I'm in control of the button. Certain instances I don't mind the dog letting out a woof or two, like when my wifes at home alone with him if someone comes to the door, but I'm in control of the situation if I don't like it. He used to bark at everything that went by also, but I would watch in the back mirror as he did it and "zappo", he learned pretty quick what was ok and what wasn't. I agree though with testing it on yourself before you stick it on the dog. I put it on a high level when I first got it and put it on my arm. To say the least I lost feeling up to my shoulder for a few seconds. It took a few more attempts lower to find a suitable one.

The shock doesn't blow him off of his feet but it's a quick little reminder what it can do. My recommendations is have it at a higher level initially so it scares the crap out of him at first. Nothing like the highest one, but one that'll get his attention. From then on the smallest ting of it and he'll stop immediately.

I love my dog, but he's on the bad list today. He ate my valentines present my wife was intending on giving me tomorrow. Sometimes I don't know whether to shoot em or laugh.

tc

DriftR · 02-13-2003, 09:53 AM

Just a reminder. What ever you do just be a great friend to your canine buddy. I cannot express the heartache that I am having along with that empty feeling. After 14 1/2 years my best buddy went down on 2-12 and I had to have her put down just yesterday. She was a family member to my two daughters, my wife and I. My two daughters are college age and both came home yesterday to be with their buddy at the last moments. My wife, my two daugthers and I were with our buddy thru the bitter end at the vets office. Very sad and lonely day. Just be good to your buddy and they will be your best companion and friend for as long as they can be. Mine can never be replaced. I wish she was with me right now.

Jennie@ifish · 02-13-2003, 01:13 PM

Driftr-- I'm so sorry about your friend. :depressed:

I learned a big lesson today, and it scared me to death.
Usually, when we get to the school, I unroll the window so that my son can say goodbye to Kilchis.
Today, I forgot to roll it back up most of the way. :depressed:

On the way home, I had two dogs in the back. Kilchis, and Dee Dee, a big black lab.

They were barking like crazy at cows and I just ignored it, cuz I was in a hurry to get home and go fishing.

Pretty soon, they were just barking like crazy because of a nearby cow. Then, it went silent.
I looked back, and Kilchis was GONE!

I was traveling at about 35 MPH, and Kilchis had gotten bumped by big Dee Dee, and was out the window!

To top it off, there was an oncoming car going about 40, and not stopping!

I hit the lights, and the horn, and the car stopped. I stopped in the middle of the dang road, in a panic, and here comes Kilchis, wagging his tail and jumped into the car.

He was panting really hard, and he had a slight abrasion on his head. I was just SO stressed... and guilty!

I can't believe this happened!

I stayed home for a bit to watch for any signs of trouble in Kilchis, but he seemed well, so I went fishing. Thought about him the whole time.

So glad to be home, and have his smiling wagging self along side me here. :smile:

Never again! Don't EVER leave your window down!

Jen

DriftR · 02-14-2003, 10:17 AM

Jennie,
I can only guess at how you felt when your Kilchis went out that window. Luckily it all turned out well. This will be one of those stories you will bring up for years and years. My buddy was raised by my entire family (two daughters, wife and myself) from a puppy that we selected from the litter. She grew up with my two daughters. We used to all swim together in Detroit Lake and my two girls would go out in kyaks and our dog would swim along with them. We are all sad at our loss but we had the best yellow lab for 14 plus years.
She will be thought of daily and remembered fondly for the rest of our lives together. My daughters always ended e-mails and letters to Mom and Dad with words for their beloved companion.