hunting on the border line

[farm5]

I live on the outskirts of a fairly subsatantial suburb. I have a wonderful wild creek that boarders the property with native cutthroat. The creek is blocked as far as fish passage goes, but that is another story. The valley of the creek is a very natural wild environment. There is a several hundred acre dairy farm on the outhere side of the creek. The dairy cows are feedlot feed so the valley is totaly natural and untouched although very small. I see does with fawns that are a few days old. I watch them grow and play. These deer here are semi-domestic animals because of the close proximity that they live with people, they give me the 2 minute watch, then go about grazing or whateaver they choose to do.
There are people who feel that they are hunters that for some reason find pleasure in persueing these semi-dometic critters. They blow them away for pleasure, not because they need the food, but because they think they are really hunting. What they are doing is equivelent to walking over and shooting your neighbors dog, there is no sport involved. I can understand the hunt and stalk of truely wild animals, that's what hunting is all about. Those who choose to hunt in the willmette valley need to realize when there not allowing the proper amount of space between totally natural environments and areas that border residentially encrouched environments. Those that are encrouched should not be considered as viable hunting grounds. Leave whats left and trying to survive alone.

We all get up in the morning and do what we have to do to survive another dqy, so do the wild critters that live amoung us. So, next time you have a critter in your sites give some thought to why we all got up this morning.

[ 12-03-2002, 03:30 PM: Message edited by: farm5 ]

[Bait O' Eggs]

Ben
How do you have 1 post and you are member #384, registered in Sept 2000????? :whazzup: :whazzup: :whazzup:

Dont talk much do ya

Welcome out of the closet :tongue: Now we know you live next to a farm, and border a creek with some fish, tell us a hunting or fishing story. :smile:

[outdoor.spec.ops]

I've got neighborhood cats roaming on my property.

[KingFisher85]

I wish I had that number 384

[farm5]

I have ferrel cats show up from time to time myself. They are not natural to the environment. They compete with the birds of prey, the coyotes and the fox and the skunks and all
the other critters that are supposed to be here trying to make a living, I do away with them.

[farm5]

Originally posted by Bait O' Eggs:
Ben
How do you have 1 post and you are member #384, registered in Sept 2000????? :whazzup: :whazzup: :whazzup:

Dont talk much do ya

Welcome out of the closet :tongue: Now we know you live next to a farm, and border a creek with some fish, tell us a hunting or fishing story. :smile:

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[farm5]

Originally posted by Bait O' Eggs:
Ben
How do you have 1 post and you are member #384, registered in Sept 2000????? :whazzup: :whazzup: :whazzup:

Dont talk much do ya

Welcome out of the closet :tongue: Now we know you live next to a farm, and border a creek with some fish, tell us a hunting or fishing story. :smile:

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">As I found myself not able to compete for space to fish, I find myself not wiliing to get involved with the wisper of where, what and when. I was born here and was able to enjoy the resourses before the competion removed the enjoyment. Now, most all that I enjoyed is gone, it's all big boats and boys with lots of money. The laying in bed all night with the thought of running up to the falls and boating a couple a nice spring chinook before going to work is gone.

If I have to compete for space I'd rather not play.

Now I choose to go with David Johnson. I usally catch more than anyone else in the boat. The boat usually catches more than he has caught recently, it's easy, I catch fish and I take my fish and go home, no competion

[SHLEPROCK]

Your thoughts are common with all the farmers that I know. I could have shot a nice buck this year in my moms front yard One year a farmer let us take one of his pet bull elk for helping him around the farm. It had been eating his alfalfa all year, It was the best elk that I have ever tasted

[Myles]

Sounds like they're "hunting" on private property.
They must have permission to hunt, maybe not all of your neighbors share your sympathies.
I realize your just venting but maybe you need to vent with your neighbors, some may want them thinned out. While it may not be sporting some consider them pests.
I share your views, but if it's their property: not much can be done.

myles

[farm5]

The individuals are hunting on private property. I'v talked to the dairy farm owner, he says he allows a few individuals to hunt there, but many people hunt there without permission. He enjoys seeing the deer as well, they cause him no problems. I have neighbors with bullet holes in their deck posts from people not aware of how close they are to suburbea, it's pretty crazy.

Last fall I was watching three nice bucks, 3 point or better chasing some does around behind my house, it was a pretty cool site to wittness. I see one buck drop over the side of a canyon on my place, then I here GA-BOOM. I put on my boots and walk down to the creek and here's this jerk on the other side of the creek saying he shot this buck on the other side of the creek and it ran over to my side and wanted me to help him get it. I knew darn well, because I was standing out there watching them, that it wasn't on the otherside of the creek when he shot it. So here's a dead beatifull animal trying to get some sex, so now what do you do. If you could all just see the natural interaction and be gratfull that you where privileged to wittness it, it is really enriching to see it all happen.

[farm5]

Shleprock

Do you feel that your actions of shooting a deer in your mother's front yard or the elk that was existing on the free alfalfa were those of a hunter? Seems to me more like slaughter than hunting. What skill on your part was involved?

I'm talking about animals who's lively hood is consistantly being encrouched upon by the rulings of METRO and the devestation of wild areas and the individuals who call themselves hunters who find pleasure in slaughtering these animals who are forced to live in a very delicate balance of forces.

[SHLEPROCK]

Farm5 The term slaughter is right. Just as if it was one of his beef. It was not a hunt at all. Kind of like having LOP tags. I may start shooting the deer at my moms too. This year during deer season five deer were killed by cars within a half a mile from her place. Every year at least three are killed. What a waste! Anyway in your situation try not to be to upset with the fact that some one is taking an advantage of being a property owner because you're not.

[Washington Hunter]

I don't see what's wrong with hunting/shooting deer on private property close to people, farms, homes, etc. So what if it's not as challenging as a hunt in the wilderness? These deer are providing food for somebody, and it's a lot healthier than beef bought from the store. Back east I believe there is lots of hunting going on in close proximity to homes, farms, and people. They've got a lot of whitetail deer back there and there has to be some way to keep the population down. Just like here we have lots of blacktail deer in the same areas people like to live. Much better to shoot them and use the meat than to allow them all to be killed on the roads. If you don't want deer on your property killed then just keep on doing what you're doing, and let your neighbors continue to do what they are doing on their property.

[Gus Orviston]

I have a few "pet" deer that come through the lawn on a regular basis. They are a hoot to watch, and do little damage to my landscape, there is one viburnum they prune back hard, but it only makes the plant bushy. I run them off with netting, or coyote urine when its not raining... My neighbors don't like it though, one has a garden and the other the bucks like to uproot their roses while brooming their antlers :grin: I just love it.... never would think or desire to kill one of the bucks. I have gone so far as to put out oat blocks and a timed daily feeder from cabelas :grin: :tongue:

Cracked me up though ,reading our local Argus paper, some lady wrote into the eidtor and said ...the deer area hazard and can't we just move them out of the city........ ha ha ha ,oh my god I am sure somebody is going to try and get the government to pay for something so stupid.

[Beaver93]

Farm5,

I appreciate your comments. I lived in Hillsboro for 3 years, and yes, man is encroaching into the wilds in the Metro area, very slowly. The decisions made by METRO have helped keep sprawl in check much more than they've created it (and I am not a METRO fan).

I guess your comments just remind me of those I hear from anti-hunters out there. Please clarify, are you against hunting completely, or just on property near your house?

[KROY]

Farm5,
Not all farm bucks are pets. I’ve been hunting an area outside Boring where I live that is bordered by farms and private houses. I gain access to the area from my friend’s property and the land is not private. I’ve never hunted such nocturnal, sneaky blacktails in my life. I’ve killed a few trophy blacktails in other places and these bucks are tough. Bucks close to houses can be killed ethically and responsibly. I grew up in southern Oregon and have had the same experience down there. Don’t lump the entire western half of the state in with your little piece of heaven.

If people are trespassing then they are outlaws, turn them in.

You stated in response to Bait’s post: “Now, most all that I enjoyed is gone, it's all big boats and boys with lots of money.”

You couldn’t be farther from the truth. People on this board talk about boats because boats catch fish. You don’t go with Dave Johnson to fish off the bank do you? Fishing is a passion that all kinds of people share. You don’t have to own a boat to catch fish. Maybe you should pick up a copy of Salmon Trout and Steelhead? Most of the people writing for that magazine catch tons of fish without big boats or expensive gear right near Portland. There are all kinds of people like that on this board. They are just passionate about fishing.

I’m sorry that most all of what you enjoy is gone. I too grew up in a hunting and fishing Shangri-La. My parents land ran to the South Umpqua River and the entire back yard was thousands of acres of BLM land with game everywhere. I now live in the Portland area and I’m learning to hunt and fish here. I just choose to look at it differently.

I don’t mean to be critical but you just seam so negative with the statements you’ve made. Why belong to this board at all if you don’t enjoy it?

Ken

[Fishalot]

I do note that Farm5's number of posts stays at 6 . What is up with that?

Fishalot