Sasquatch

[Dr Strangelove]

Has anyone ever seen or know someone who's seen BigFoot? There is alot of good scientifically based theory, if not proof that Sasquatch does exist. What rifle would you want to take your trophy to the world? Or would you even take the shot?

[maggot]

Hey guys....technology?.....our arrogance as humans is unsurpassed.....we cant even find Osama Bin Laden......We "discover" thousands of new species yearly, from insects to animals. Some animals thought to be extinct. Scientifically, they have found fossilized remains of a bigfoot, called the gigantapithicus. And remember, These things have brains. We have trouble finding elk and deer, their brains are not as big....Im a believer.

[Dr Strangelove]

OK let me rephrase this. Bigfoot just ripped a deer you just shot in HALF and is dragging it away. No question its not human. Is anyone willing to fess up to having seen something they cannot explain?

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[fishblood]

I saw bigfoot a few years ago just outside of battle ground. Me and my buddy were hiking in the woods and a large hairy something jumped out of a tree and started running through the woods. I was much to scared to go after it!!!! After that im convinced there's a bigfoot!

[Dr Strangelove]

Would you say it was running on two feet? ie Bipedal? And where in Battle Ground where you? The reason I ask is that I have a patient with documented ESP who states that they saw (in their mind-image) an ape like beast leap onto a house rooftop from a tree while driving locally. Now I'll admit this is weird stuff but I have an open mind, so I'm asking. Also, does anyone know why Ape Caves are called this? Thanks, Doc.

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[Mtn Man]

I am not sure if I believe in them or not, but I did work with a guy who saw one. He is an avid outdoorsman and has hunted all over North America, he knows what bear, elk, cougar, etc. look like, he swaers that he saw one. You can read about his account here. He went back up to the mountain a few weeks later and went down into the creek and found some more footprints, I have seen the photos of those. He said that there would have been no other people down in there, it took him about 3 hours to get to the creek bottom.

There was also another reported sighting 9 days earlier and only 2 miles away!! You can read about that one here.

I guess that if I had the opportunity to shoot one and I felt that it wasn't a person I would shoot it. Of course I do hunt with a muzzleloader and I wouldn't get a second shot if he/she was tougher than I thought. Maybe that wouldn't be such a good idea. :shocked:

[Dr Strangelove]

Thankyou - fascinating website. I'll direct my patients inquiry here. Hope I never seen one face to face, not sure my sphincter tone could take it. Doc

[bigshark]

I am sure not convinced its more than an old
wives-tale. There are a couple of pieces of film that make you wonder however. I would like it if one were found someday, only to make the poor soles who really believe they have seen one get a little revenge from all the people that put them down and say they are nutts behind their backs. We are not really very nice to one another at times and yet when things really get bad we are truely remarkable for the caring we can show for each other. Shoot one you ask ? If you do, I hope your reward is to be forced to eat every bite of it, hair and all !

How would you like the bicep today sir.....broiled, boiled or just pan fried ?

[KingFisher85]

You know, Yacolt, WA out side of battle ground has some of the most sightings of big foot. But if you knew some of the people that says they have seen big foot, you might just think twice on what they seen. Oh ya, don't look to much around for them "weird" "mushroom" type plants growing around there house. :grin: They don't have any up that way. Or in there tea.
I do like reading there storys tho. :grin:

But I would have to say there might be a big foot out there. Like maggot said, we cant even find Osama Bin [img]graemlins/stupid.gif[/img] Laden.

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[Norm]

There are some around, they stick close to the arteesians . Drink to much of that Oly and you never know what you'll see :grin: .
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[Chum King]

Considering some of the more "furry" individuals that I have met over the years, I would certainly not feel comfortable taking a shot at what might or more likely would not be a bigfoot.

I happen to know of a few individuals that set up a bigfoot scam on a co-worker. They were doing surveys up in the hills, and one crew went in early and dropped off one individual with a gorilla suit ahead of the others. He waited in the brush until he was sure that the other rig was coming, and then did the "bigfoot stride" across the road and into the brush on the other side.

They left this one poor sucker hanging and thinking that he had seen bigfoot for a few weeks before they finally confessed. That was probably 18 years ago, and the legend lives on. :grin:

[GutshotApe]

My mother's family were homesteaders east of Kelso, WA and in 1924 my grandfather John Beck, his brother Fred Beck, and 4 others had a gold prospect called the VanderWhite near the Plains of Abraham on the east side of MtStHelens.

One day up at the mine, which they reached via the Lewis River road, then trail up the Muddy River, they supposedly saw a big hairy beast and Uncle Fred (my great uncle) took a shot at it with his deer rifle, a lever-action .38-40 or something like that, and the "ape" fell off a cliff into a gorge now called Ape Canyon. They didn't recover the carcass.

That night several big hairy beasts supposedly attacked the cabin they were sleeping in. The apes threw rocks and were on the roof. Everybody cut loose with their rifles and drove the creatures off.

When they got back to town, the news got national wire service coverage and created quite a stir. Uncle Fred wrote a book about the incident in the 1960s. His theory was that
the apes were time & dimension travellers and could appear and disappear at will.

HOWEVER, my grandfather John never liked to talk about the "attack" and always changed the subject if it came up. Worth noting: Grandpa John had very low alcohol tolerance and could get drunk on 1 drink.

My theory is that they had a still up at the "mine" and if they actually shot at anything by Ape Canyon it was probably an elk. And at night, the packrats probably sounded a lot like apes, especially to those who were drinking white lightning.

I spent many days & nights hunting, fishing, camping and working in the woods around MtStHelens and never saw any sign of bigfoot. Nor did anybody else I ever talked to.

But, if you want to believe, who am I to say you're wrong.

[KingFisher85]

GutshotApe
I read that story in a book on big foot stories.
Some of you guys should read some of these stories. There one of a kind.

[Rauly]

I have seen Big Foot and will introduce you to him if you would like. :smile: His name is Get Bit and he has some of the biggest feet I have ever seen. :shocked: Size 15 I think he also has a good story about a Mexican Big Foot he can tell.

Rauly

[winterkill]

I think there could be a bigfoot, but it would have to live in the most remote areas possible, or there would be more evidence of their existence already. Concerning your question about what caliber... If I could chose I'd want at least a 7mm. If I saw him while hunting I'd have to rely on my semi-auto 30-06. I would shoot him for science. Plus, do you know how much a bigfoot hide would go for?
Ian

[GutshotApe]

Better not shoot bigfoot in Skamania County WA (where most of 'em are seen) because the county commissioners passed a law protecting them a few years ago. No kidding. And, I wouldn't try it with anything less than a .338 or bigger. :grin:

[KingFisher85]

Gut is right. But if I was to shoot one I would be using the new Weatherby

[TheTexan]

I will take the Barrett 50 cal at 1 mile range, the one that someone posted a pic of :shocked: in one of the other threads.

[Dr Strangelove]

On a nonprofessional note, I would take Skamania County's ordinance and the Sasquatch's chest into the crosshairs of a Browning BAR 338 Win Mag if I ever had the chance. Self defense would be fairly easy to prove considering an 8ft 800lb beast with enough brains to carry a club and strength to break a deer's back. Just selling the story for movie rights would make you a millionaire instantly. PETA would sh_t a brick of course, and instantly declare them endangered. Of course it wouldn't be necessary to kill one to prove it exists... Maybe our governement can look down with infrared satellite imaging and find the herd of them at night, then militarily surround them and send them an IRS statement. Doc

[KingFisher85]

ex-tex
You mean this one that I got to shoot.


Your right. With that 695 gr bullet. That should do the trick.

[Bait O' Eggs]

If somebody would pay my wages I would spend my life hunting down and killing one. [img]graemlins/idea.gif[/img]

Maybe I could get some firearm, ammo and optic sponsors. I would look pretty good in camo with patches sewn on my clothing from my sponsors while hunting.

Now that would be the life, hunting 24/7 and getting paid for it. No tag to worry about, no bag limit, no hour restrictions.

Graham can your ESP patient get me a lead on a hot current location to hunt? I think Browning would pay me big time to say I shot one with one of their guns. Leupold might even like to make the claim that their scope was on the browning. I could get him taxidermied and take him to state fairs and charge admission to look. This would be like winning the lottery. :tongue:

[Miss B Haven]

An old friend of my family grew up in Clatskanie (SP? They were having a picnic for the High School graduation. Swears that a bigfoot peered up over the bushes, and then took off! This had to be back in the late 40's. I heard him tell the story in the 60's. He swore it was really a big foot. :smile:
Lots of other sightings around that neck of the woods too. Maybe that still got moved down there from WA? :grin:
PS - The Ape caves were discovered by loggers. Drove a cat into one of them (broke through the ground over the top. I know the guy and saw the original pics of the whole affair. It was a big dang cat too, bout a D7 size! Doesn't explain the name though does it!

[RogueFishr]

There was a doctor that saw bigfoot down here a year or 2 ago. He was hiking with his family about an hour behind the Oregon Caves. the story was pretty interesting, and his story seemed very sincere. I believe he saw something. If you are interested, I can find out his name and try to get you some contact info.

RF

[Straydog]

That's right RF,

The guy that saw him up near the Oregon Caves was squating to relieve himself when he saw Big Foot........ that would scare the 'stuffins' out of me too!!

[RogueFishr]

Here is the link for the doc's sighting.

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=678

I thought I had spotted bigfoot fishing at Finley Bend on the Rogue once. It was dusk and the B.O. smell and the hairy body was evident even from across the river where we were taking out. But after further investigation, it turned out to be one of the local salmon snaggers wives.

RF

RF

[crabbait]

I heard an interview with the guy, I think he was a doctor and very large, 6'7". He was so moved by the experience that he got emotional just discussing his encounter.

I would like to read his story.

[Myles]

Shooting it would be murder, or at least manslaughter. It would turn out to be a person in a monkey suit. With all of the hunters in the woods, one would have to have been killed or some kind of real proof would have been found by now.

myles

[ultramag]

I have to agree with Myles on this one. With all the technology and people in the outdoors, someone would have caught one by now.

my 2 cents

derek

[novice]

Inquiring minds want to know...
Would it be moral or ethical to "scope" a bigfoot????? Or would would there be a moral obligation to use Open sights. Would a broadhead bring one down quicker than a small caliber round like let's say a 22-250????? Are there LOP tags for these yet????
Could Tailchaser call one in?????
Would it sound like a GutshotApe once it was hit???? I hope Onelastcast doesn't see one, he would write a novel on something of that magnitude..
Love all the stories guys
Happy turkey day
novice

[hey-it's-me]

sorry i cain't hold back on this one :grin: i have couple of cutter friends that were working over on the wauna rim & they reported finding evidence of a bed- these guys like to bs but not this time- naw i couldn't kill one- i was taught to eat what i kill & leave everything else alone- if these things really are out let's let them be-

[Straydog]

Hey RF,

I've seen that beast down at Finley myself. :grin:

I even saw it stumble out of the Owl Club one night!! :shocked: :shocked:

[Danderson]

During the early 70's on a family camping trip on the upper nestucca river above the 5th bridge was my first and only incounter with big foot. About an hour or so after we went to bed we heard some rambling around in the camp I looked over at my mom and said " what is that noise". She said it was big foot and go back to sleep. I started to cry I was so scared as it got closer....All of a sudden Dad unzipped the tent through the TP back in the corner and said go back to sleep and quite crying.... He does exsist in some way or another

[k9jeff]

[Born to Fish]

Back in 1963, between my freshman and sophomore years in college, I worked on a Forest Service fire crew stationed in the Mount St Helens District of the Gifford Pinchot NF [GPNF]. Great country! Our base of operations was the Sunset Guard Station along the East Fork of the Lewis River [often wonder if the facilities are still there].

When not on fire assignments [most in Oregon] we did a fair amount of project work in various parts of the GPNF. Our foreman, John Plesha - a local native I think, always had many stories to share with us young guys regarding Sasquatch. As would be expected of kids that age and from other parts of the country, we were always leary of John's tales. However, the fact that so many local features bore reference to: Ape Cave; Ape Canyon; etc. there was always a bit of curiousity regarding the "myth". I can remember on one project that required camping out in some remote area with an "ape" name, John shared a story about that sounded a lot like the story shared on this thread about ape's attacking a cabin. I know that I didn't sleep too soundly that night - that dirty old man!!

I recall that one of the last spots he took us to that summer was the infamous Ape Cave which we had the opportunity to walk into a short ways. As I recall, it was a series of lava tubes. Unfortunately I don't recall any explanation for how it got it's name.

To this day I can't say that I'm a believer, however, I did read a book ["Sasquatch" - I think] in which the author claimed that this creature could very well inhabit just about every state [gave some stories to back this up] and he shared stories from several other countries. Interesting reading.

[J.Slay]

Interesting stuff here. Just a few years ago wasn't there an ODFW or state employee who said he saw one up in the McKenzie River are above Bleu River? I recall it made the Oregonian and the news. The one story that sticks with me was a friend in college, who was not into the outdoors and was not a braggart at all. He said when he was about 15 (early 80's) he and his father went on a hike from their campsite in the southern Oregon cascades. He said they climbed up towards the timberline for the view and were walking on shale. He said as he approached the summit of the hike the felt like he was being watched. A few minutes later him and his father noticed a "dark figure" in some brush about 30-40 yards away. He said he thought it must be a bear......until "it stood up...and it was definitely not a bear". He said the next thing he remembers was him on the ground because he peeled out in the shale and fell. his father had already bolted down the path, to which he said he caught up to his dad in 5 seconds and the ran down the trail as fast as they could until they hit the main road.

So, I guess I believe. Seems like the native indians would have more to say on this subject, but I am not sure why we don't hear their stories more often?

Shooting a big foot? What idiot would do this? I know hunters often like to shoot things they're not actually hunting for, but give me a break. This would lump them in the Packwood and Tonya Harding as Oregon's biggest skanks, and make Oregon look dumber and redder than we already are.

[Cutter]

Here is the reason why they are called the Ape Caves.
APE Caves

[ibeanfishin]

A man named Harry Reese,a local Boy Scouts troop leader ( about 1951 ) dubbed themselves as the Mount St.Helens Apes, in gleeful memory of the 1924 incident in which an ape-like creatures were said to have thrown rocks at two miners in a cabin on the mountain. Harry worked for the person who discoverd the lava caves, his name is Lawrence Johnson .( not by driving a large cat into it )...

[crabbait]

Hey there, ibean. Now you are not trying to sneak in the back door by replying as your first post, are you?

You owe us an introduction and a story! :grin:

[GutshotApe]

I met Harry Reese in 1973 when I worked for Reese Bros. Forestry svcs. which was headed by Harry's son Willard. They did a lot of the early Ape Cave exploration along with Leonard Reese and one other brother.

In 1965 during my HS "senior sneak day" our class was at a picnic up the Lewis River and about 10 of us had a bottle of 'Ol Stumpblaster". After downing it, we went exploring in lower Ape Cave without flashlights. Maybe we had one at the start but the batteries in those days weren't alkaline and the light soon died. It took us a couple of hours to make our way thru the cave and finally got to the exit. Boy, was I glad to see daylight. I've never been in a cave since and don't intend to ever set foot in one again.

[Cutter]

I took my daughter to the caves this last summer, great place when it's hot outside. I shut off the lantern while in there, I know why you would not want to go back in a cave after spending hours in the dark. After the first minute it was way to creepy for me.

[pdxkevin]

Here is a great source for the most recent reports: Oregon Bigfoot

The scary thing is that I have walked some of these same trails within a day of these reports. True or not, it will give you something to think over as you scout the woods alone.