Should there be a mandatory hunting school?

Megabites · 11-12-2002, 03:23 PM

Please read the thread about Is Bow and small cal. hunting humane. We got onto a new topic of interest.

springer_97011 · 11-12-2002, 06:56 PM

i wish there was a bowhunting ed. that would count to get your license because the normal class was worthless to me because i bowhunt.i would guess that the majority of the bowhunters that have statred the last ten years are rifle hunters that could stand to have some mandatory bowhunter education.bowhunting is just as lethal as any other method,these animals with arrows that are found are from the same type of people that take 15 shots at a herd and hope that one drops which i here stories of quite often.its not the method thats the problem its the people.how many archery hunters do you hear about getting killed from each other?how many people hace died this year from rifle hunters?sound much more ethical to me.just tired of hearing rifle hunters putting down the bohunters when your situation is much worse and should police yourself.sorry about the ramble but i get po,ed from the bad press when most the weekend warrior bowhunters are rifle hunters that did not draw there tag.

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RipDatLip · 11-12-2002, 07:07 PM

YES - It should be regardless of age and sex.

There is no reason for people getting shot and killed.

Matt

KingFisher85 · 11-12-2002, 08:19 PM

I think that there should be mandatory hunting schools no matter how old you are. I also think that there should be 3 classes.
1. Modern firearm
2. Bow
3. muzzleloader

The reason why I think this is cause there is to many idiots out there that hunt with one thing and then the next year hunt with an other thing and really don't know what they are doing. If they want to hunt with bow, when they go buy there tags, they need to show there bow hunting card. Its a tad bit to hard for me to try to say what I'm trying to say but maybe someone might have an idea on what I'm saying and post it.

TheRogue · 11-13-2002, 07:22 AM

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I think that there should be mandatory hunting schools no matter how old you are. I also think that there should be 3 classes.
1. Modern firearm
2. Bow
3. muzzleloader

The reason why I think this is cause there is to many idiots out there that hunt with one thing and then the next year hunt with an other thing and really don't know what they are doing. If they want to hunt with bow, when they go buy there tags, they need to show there bow hunting card. Its a tad bit to hard for me to try to say what I'm trying to say but maybe someone might have an idea on what I'm saying and post it.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">You read my mind!!!!

TR

Tilla · 11-13-2002, 07:42 AM

Sounds good, how much is it going to add in taxes or license costs?

Can we trust the government to operate a program efficiently and wisely?
Right!

Maybe on the planet Zornon!

nerta · 11-13-2002, 05:36 PM

Oh boy what a question! I think that in concept you have a point---but by who's rules. Even though many hunters and fisherpeople are irrresponsible does any one really think that the classes would make the scabs change or would they take the course and then revert to the same lame way's. Remember next time your on the freeway in lots of traffic each one of these people had the same basic training. and they passed the drivers test. Oh boy what a question.. Should be quite a revenue inhancement program though.. Who would get the $.. I guess I would have to say no to the question if you accepted only a one word answer. :whazzup: :whazzup:

Megabites · 11-13-2002, 10:06 PM

nerta brings up a good point. The same poeple that would take the test just to pass it would be the same poeple that do the stupid stuff in the woods. I don't think we could save them all but most beginning hunters could learn something I think that might make the woods safer and there hunting better. Unfortunatly most bad hunters learned to hunt from bad hunters or just made it up as they went. Personnally I learned from the mentor method. Do it right or the old guy will kick your butt at the fire later. I'll never forget the chewing a young hunter in our Elk party got for the gut shot bull we had to cleanup. One nice think about hunters in general is that they do self regulate well. I now I have no problem expressing my feeling to another hunter that is being unlawful or reckless. Hey I could be the next one that gets killed or worse my kids. However I doubt my words changed many hunters practices. I may however get them out of the area I am in. Kind of sad we even have to talk about this.

MetalHead · 11-13-2002, 11:37 PM

This is interesting. I am in favor of Manditory training in the weapon of choice for all hunters. It can't hurt and much like hunter education now it could be free or very low cost. But to take it one step futher lets make the prospective hunter demonstrate proficiency with their weapon of choice. Then in the case of a hunting related accident hunting priveleges are revoked for life. I know this sounds drastic but look at the available information and 99% of hunting related accidents are caused by NOT BEING SURE OF THEIR TARGET this is completely unacceptable.

outdoor.spec.ops · 11-14-2002, 12:52 PM

Mega, Do you mind telling us what caliber of rifle was used on the elk that you had to clean up? And the situation revolving the shot, range, wind, brush, etc...
Thanks,

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tailchaser · 11-14-2002, 12:55 PM

Interesting, isn't this the same guy who's thread said he hasn't seen an elk go anywhere after being shot??

"My Elk party routinly takes 4 or more bulls each year and I have yet to see one with more than one hole in it."

"I'll never forget the chewing a young hunter in our Elk party got for the gut shot bull we had to cleanup"

Are you telling me that bull didn't make it over 10' and someone didn't have to shoot it again?? Sorry just caught me kinda funny. :grin:

tc

11-14-2002, 01:18 PM

I've only seen one elk drop in its tracks. Most will run 10-50 yards and die.

Myles · 11-14-2002, 02:24 PM

NO!!
You can't regulate stupidity.

I can't believe people even bring up such an idea. This sounds just like the logic of gun control, if we outlaw guns then nobody ........

Yeah right. More regulations will solve it.
It seems that some people here like to post questions just to incite controversy, but we have a secret weapon here, the "ignore this user button".
I looked up the word "humane", killing and eating wasn't mentioned anywhere.

Sorry but as far as I'm concerned there is way too much bickering here already without devisive and controversial posts.

Rant over

myles

Flying Roast Beef · 11-14-2002, 02:27 PM

I'll give you a scary little insight on this situation. I personally know a man that just this year invited me to go deer hunting with him so he would have a veteran around. Translation....someone to gut the deer. Anyway, this man just received his "certificate" to teach hunter education. He does not own a shotgun. He is not a bird hunter and this is his first year hunting deer. Something to keep in mind when you go with your kid to hunter ed.

Megabites · 11-14-2002, 03:01 PM

outdoor.spec.ops & tailchaser,

How did we get from a question reguarding hunting saftey to my Elk hunting story?

If you must know, I did not see the hunt just helped on the packout and the gutting. Bottom line is John flat took a bad shoot. He was lucky enough to hit the liver and the bull bleed out in the bushes near where he was shot. The bullet went back and ruined a bunch of meat as his shot was almost head on with the bull.

Myles,
I thought this board was to exchange information and to find out how others feel about certain topics. I can tell by the "humane" comment that your reply is not directed at this post but directly at me.

Your right - you can't regulate stupidity.

You need not ignore my posts as I will not be starting any more threads here. Just too much time wasted in ******* matches. Thank you to the ones that took the posts seriously and replied with intelligent thoughts and information.

outdoor.spec.ops · 11-14-2002, 03:15 PM

Mega,

It is a shame that you do not wish to to post threads anymore. Im sure that all the comments were not a personal attack, but fair rebuttals to the comments you laid forth in previous posts, and messages you conveyed. You should expect that info from one post will carry over to other posts as people read through the boards.

Sometimes you have to remember though, if you throw sparks, flames will follow. Good luck in your adventures.

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Rauly · 11-14-2002, 05:55 PM

Please stop the direction this thread is going. Thank you.

RipDatLip · 11-16-2002, 12:32 PM

So are you saying that the mandatory classes will do zero good, solve zero problems, save zero lives, and cost lots of money?

I disagree. I can, however, imagine that "some" people will never be cured of their stupidity, but for the majority, I'd think it might be an eye-opener.

Matt

Capin' Dan · 11-16-2002, 11:51 PM

definitely I think the schools should be a least 6 months long and 8 hours a day and that we should all hold a degree in biology or whitetail deer management or somesuch. I also think that these fees should be paid for out of the perspective hunters pocket and that it should be a minimum of $10,000 Yea thats it and then maybe only let them hunt every five years and then only fifteen minutes a day.
What a crock guys this really gets me going there are going to be idiots every where and schools aren't going to help. I bet mandating hunter orange requirments will help ten times as much but lets not make it any more difficult than need be. I have attended the archery course required to hunt in Connticutt, and hunters safety courses in Virginia and here in Oregon over the years. They taught me nothing that my father or good common sense would teach you. Schooling isn't the lone answer here.

roundbelly · 11-17-2002, 05:57 AM

don't want to throw gas on the fire, i have already had my pants singed by the sharp pens. but there is a need for hunter safety courses and the people who will take the time to teach them. i know there are some who a incompant and not very good at what they preach, but if you had ever seen the amount of kids who have no other way to get a start it would be a different story.
i taught hunter safety in wyoming for over 20 years and can not count the number of kids who showed up in class, because they got a gun for christmas and can not shoot it untill some one tells them how. this is especially true of children of divorce and kids who only have a mother, with no male or other person around to show them anything about hunting or shooting.

Straydog · 11-17-2002, 07:19 AM

Interesting thread.

Nerta, you bring up good points. However, consider what it would be like on the roads if only about 20% of the drivers had had any training! :shocked:

As one that has spent too many years selling and watching guns sold to people that have absolutely no clue as to how to use them or how to be in the woods in any semblence of responsible manner, I strongly support the idea of a competancy test for hunters.

This ain't 1969 and the world has changed considerably since many of us were kids. There simply is no longer the family history and heritage of hunting and woodsmanship that many of us grew up with.

Further, given the single parent families and changing priorities, it would go a long way in ensuring that our love of and rights to hunt and own guns continue into the future.

Stupidity with guns, wheather it be in the woods, the home or the streets do not help our defense against the ever growing number of folks that would take our guns away given the opportunity.

A short story from this years hunting to make a point and add a little lightness to this thread.....

I was in a dealers shop listening to one of the bazzillion of hunting and fishing stories I hear in a month and got a chuckle out of this one.

A well respected hunter in the area was on his favorite stand early one morning when he hears this god awful ruckus coming through the brush. Having been a hunter most of his life he was suprised and curious that he had never heard such a commotion before. It was erratic, moving through the brush with no pattern and kind of stop and go.

He waited in silence, wondering and peering into the brush with much anticipation.

Finally, it is getting louder, closer and creating more confusion for this hunter as it nears. Soon, out of the brush comes three 'hunters'..... one carrying a rifle, one waving arms, throwing rocks and sticks in the brush and one, are your ready for this? One was pushing a wheelbarrow!!! :whazzup: :shocked: :whazzup:

That's right, they were darn sure they were going to score and had the wheelbarrow ready to pack the critter back to the car........... :grin: :blush:

This is one of the thousands of reasons why I am VERY careful about where I hunt and make darn sure I am as visible as the great pumpkin when in the woods. In fact, after the guy got shot packing his Elk out this season, I just couldn't bring myself to go back out...... another year with another unfilled Tag. :depressed:

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11-17-2002, 07:36 AM

I'd rather see tests for breeding

Straydog · 11-17-2002, 07:53 AM

Keta,

Good idea!!

That would solve many of our problems on many different levels!

As a friend recently said "unfortunatley, to most it IS rocket science!!!" :grin:

KingFisher85 · 11-17-2002, 05:54 PM

Straydog

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One was pushing a wheelbarrow

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">I would love to see that on video!!! :grin: