extinguish doe tags to west side hunters

tackleman · 10-06-2002, 09:57 PM

the numbers of doe tags in western oregon is scary. if not controlled better we will not have any deer left! leave these tags for disabled hunters not lazy ones.

corrirod · 10-06-2002, 11:01 PM

That's a rather strange first post Tackleman. Perhaps you should start with an inroduction? Maybe some background? Maybe a good hunting story? Then tell us how you feel and why.

I'm very curious to find out. I've had doe tags in previous years and I'm anything but a "lazy one". Perhaps you'd like to go with me and see just how "lazy" I am. Better bring a good pair of boots!

Tacklebuster · 10-06-2002, 11:02 PM

Not really my idea of a first post when you call a person lazy for drawing a doe tag. With that said, don't put in for any antlerless series tags and welcome aboard, I guess.

Damien · 10-07-2002, 03:50 AM

I wouldn't say that doe tags are for lazy people at all. I personally wish ODFW would experiment with not giving out doe tags for a couple of years and see what happens. It seems to me that it could only help the deer #'s. They say that blacktail are in a steady decline which I totally agree about. It was rather odd becasue last year I drew a doe tag for Mckenzie unit and didn't see one to even shoot. I hunted hard, busting the brush and no luck. If there are tags available I will usually put in for one. I would just like to see ODFW make a serious effort for the ol Blacktail. Just my .02

SureSet · 10-07-2002, 08:37 AM

ODFW did experiment a couple years ago with eliminating doe tags for a 5 year period in the Saddle Mtn. unit. I'm not sure what their study results were, but I can tell you there seemed to be allot more deer around from my sightings.

SureSet

10-07-2002, 09:30 AM

If the buck to doe ratio warrants it shoot does. If not, leave them to breed. I think that the optimum is 10 does per buck.

MasterCaster · 10-07-2002, 09:39 AM

Too many deer is just as bad as too few if not worse. There needs to be a balance.

Yes I hunt for does when I draw the tag but I dont always fill it.

If you have too many deer then other problems come in like disease and less healthy animals. The land can only suport so many animals before bad things happen. If only bucks are shot then there will be too many does and all the deer will end up less healthy.

just my .02

Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

Megabites · 10-07-2002, 04:17 PM

Doe to buck ratios have to be controlled for the deer to bread properly. Personally I don't buy the estimates that black tail deer are declining. I do believe however that there habitat is. If we don't control the doe population and we populate the area all you end up with is deer in gardens and worse yet to many road kills ( both deer and people ).

I hunted about 5 hours this weekend and saw 22 does and not one buck. Does not look like a doe shortage to me.

What they should do if they want to increase the deer population is to make the buck tag three point or better. Let them young bucks breed. This can be done on a unit basis just like they do for Elk in Saddle Mountain.

As for the Lazy comment last time I checked gutting and butchering a deer was the same amount of work no matter what sex it is. Hunting the deer is the fun part so how could there be any "lazy" in that.

Leatherneck · 10-07-2002, 06:20 PM

I enjoy hunting for does and will continue to do so as long as the big game biologist say it's ok. As far as being tagged ''LAZY'' for hunting does. I'll run your **** in the ground if you would like to come along on a hunt with me and my friend's.

mudsucker · 10-07-2002, 06:31 PM

Hey guys i think tackleman is just out to start a fight

One post and one that is sure to get some attention...Best if ignored i say, he hasn't even responded to any other posts...a statement like that is not worth my time, so lets let it go away unless he wants to explain the reason for it with some facts!!!

Bstnwaler · 10-07-2002, 06:48 PM

First off I'm one of those 'nasty"Californians..we DON'T have doe hunts because of very stupid politics..anyway back in the early 50's they DID have a state wide doe hunt..many were killed,people wrung their hands."you've ruined deer hunting"..the next two years were the highest buck kill ever and there were also plenty of does...a biologist could explain it better but when you take out does the next years fawn crop somehow picks up the extra slack and also increases the buck percentage...talk to a biologist and DON'T let your great State make the mistake we did down here...

willametteriveroutlaw · 10-07-2002, 07:37 PM

UMMMMMMM, what kind first post is that? As much as I like to kill big bucks, I can't really blame nyone for shooting forks. I have a doe tag and hunt them just as hard as I hunt bucks. I put in a hard day on sat and only got a fleeting chance at a doe. Doe tags aren't for the lazy, there just a good way to get some extra meat in the freezer. + does have a sixth sense about that doe tag in your pocket.

tackleman · 10-07-2002, 09:04 PM

sorry to all of you i may have upset! i am an avid hunter on the coast and i have seen the decline in deer numbers since the moritorium on doe hunting was lifted in the saddle mtn. unit. the north coast game association has fought hard to keep a even keel on doe hunting in this unit. as for trying to get extra attention, that isnt the case at all i was just looking for some input from fellow hunters and fisherman. i am all for three point or better buck hunts but if i was looking to fill my freezer i would by a beef at a fraction of the cost that one hunting season costs me! i wasnt trying to ruffle anyones feathers. i am all for damage control and control of our populations but lets just limit it more ok! once again i didnt mean to make the wrong impression on fellow ifish members.. tackleman saddle mmtn. [img]graemlins/stupid.gif[/img]

WaterDog · 10-08-2002, 03:38 PM

So are you saying that because of doe tags, the deer population is suffering? :whazzup: I have hunted part of the trask unit for over 15 years. We used to see tons of deer every year. We quit hunting this area when it was obvious the deer population was down. Coincidentally the deer population began its decline when the logging stopped. Could be a connection with food source and population. [img]graemlins/idea.gif[/img]

I guess for me hunting is cheap entertainment. I�m hunting with the same gun a got when I was 14 that cost me $99. A box of ammo lasts 3 or 4 seasons. Coat, boots, knife, and a few other trinkets serve multiple purposes for camping and fishing. The biggest cost is the fuel to get me to the woods and back. I spend a 1000 times more on chasing those dang fish around.

I too shoot does when I have a tag. Meat is meat. Roy keeps telling me there is nothing better than antler soup but I�m still skeptical. Besides, how many hat racks does a guy need?

Oh and welcome to the site.

Dan Christopher · 10-08-2002, 05:28 PM

tackleman
no feathers ruffled here.

i find a doe tag is a nice way o take my 5 year old hunting.if we get meat fne, if not i got a great time in the woods hunting with the young one.

he cant walk the canyons with me yet like his brother and i dont think he would get as much enjoyment going to the butcher and buying a cow.

cost of the doe hunt ??? priceless

am i lazy? hunt bucks with me in the big canyons on 2- 6 to 10 mile hunts a day.lazy ??no way.

once again tackleman
no feathers ruffled here. just hope you do see were i am coming from though.

CAGEY · 10-08-2002, 05:46 PM

Hello tackelman.
You can and will get a lot of arguments regarding the issuing of doe tags. I dont beleave lazy people apply for them. They want some deer meat and bucks in western oregon are pretty hard to come by. The state issues doe tags as a management measure and use hunters to control the deer numbers. The bad part about this is that a great majority of the deer causing damage are in the foothills and so the landowners complain and then the odfw reacts by giving out doe tags. Problem is not many of us have a place in the foothills that we can hunt so we are left with the great brush hole to hunt. The landowners who complain certainly will not let you hunt on their land.

As a long time Trask area deer hunter i have seen a steady decline in the deer numbers and in fact i beleave the odfw has made the same statement that deer numbers in western oregon are on the decline. There are still deer out there if you hunt hard enough but i see no problem if doe tags are available then why not use them. I would just as soon see them not issued but to call those who do use them lazy is a little out of line.

Waterdog, you did not say in your post so iam curious. Do you have a scope on your sewer pipe? ha ha ha :tongue:

[ 10-08-2002, 06:50 PM: Message edited by: CAGEY ]

blacktail · 10-08-2002, 06:18 PM

In the areas we hunt, there has been a large decline in deer populations.

I believe there are many causes - less logging, cougars, poaching, etc.

I personally am not a doe hunter, but if someone has a tag and will use the meat, more power to them.

If anyone has some good spots to share I'm all ears since my old haunts are either closed, or lacking deer. :smile:

Mike

GutshotApe · 10-08-2002, 07:27 PM

Blacktail - My advice is choose a general area to hunt then obtain as many maps of the area as you can i.e. USGS, State Forestry Dept., US Forest Service and BLM, timber company, Metskers, etc. These will show public lands and timber co lands that you can hunt. Although much of the foothill land, where the deer are, is private and posted, there are a few BLM and USFS tracts, sometimes only a 640-ac section, or smaller, but big enough to hunt mixed in with the private land. Often there is poor access to these tracts, maybe the county road only touches a corner - but if you have a good map and know how to read it, good deer hunting areas can be found. The big timber company land and public forests, where most everyone else goes, can also hold good hunting spots. Look for small out of the way areas without roads, or in places where the masses of road drivers drive by without thinking to look. Use your maps!
GSA

WaterDog · 10-09-2002, 07:57 AM

CAGEY,

I got a scope on a sewer pipe. And its looking for next years construction season target. :grin: Wonder which "hood" I'm going to look at first? [img]graemlins/idea.gif[/img] :tongue:

Sewer rehab - coming to a street near you! :smile:

tackleman · 10-09-2002, 08:58 AM

blacktail-
if you are looking for some good areas that area open to hunt you might check out the jewell area. there are several new clearcuts in the northrupt creek and military creek areas. if this area is unfamiliar to you , you can get a map from the state forest dept. in astoria. thase maps provide some great info.

tackleman saddle mtn.

riverrat · 10-09-2002, 07:06 PM

hunters who enjoy hunting can take any animal that is legal and should not be harrassed due to the fact that it is a doe or a spike.....they are the best eating.......however i do have a problem with 3 point or better hunting......i can remember when the odfw and all their great experts thought that 43 point or better hunting was best for hart mtn and the steens.....another snafu that ruined hunting in those areas for many years......by killing off many of the large breeding bucks the animals became smaller in body and rack size.....just my opinion......two other problems which have been mentioned here is the loss of dogs to hunt cougars......and the end of logging as we know it......it is too bad that odwf, usfs and the blm have their hands tied politically and chages with each administration......hope you all see hair in your scopes.....good hunting!!!

tag-a-long · 10-09-2002, 11:50 PM

Ask any wildlife expert and you will get the same answer. Doe harvest is the key to management. If you have too many does, then you end up with disease such as chronic wasting. Sound like anything you want here? Not me. I love to harvest a doe when I get the chance. While living in Indiana, the number of does was so great that the county I hunted in had an alotment of over 2000 doe tags they called bonus county permits. This was on top of the one doe you were allowed to harvest.

Have you ever seen a doe with twin fawns? Think about the fact that over 25 % of the does have twins and then multiply that by the number of does that you see... The numbers become astronomical.

TheRogue · 10-10-2002, 04:46 AM

Covered it all, riverrat!! Exactly how I feel.......

TR