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Old 01-20-2004, 02:59 PM   #1
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In the past, the Ifish community supported our efforts to keep Oregon’s waterways free and open for public use. If it is okay with Jennie, I will continue to keep everyone in the Ifish community informed about what is happening with the battle.

This is about Oregon Law and your right to use your rivers for recreation

In 2003 we fought two Senate bills that would turn management and rule making for the John Day River over to a handful of local landowners. One bill died in committee, but the other made it out and passed a Senate vote by a 25 to 5 margin. It made it to the House with thirty minutes remaining before the House adjourned and it did not come to a vote. Consequently, the John Day River Navigability Study is now moving forward.

The 2003 Legislative session was the fifth session with a bill to take away your right to use your rivers for angling and other recreational activities. We expect another attempt in the next session. A group formed the Coalition for River Rights (CORR) to stop it and to resolve this matter for once and all.

I posted this on the CORR website, (http://www.riverrights.org/) but not everyone wants to take the time to go looking for it. Please print this information out or copy it and email it to everyone you know that thinks being able to boat and fish is important.

CORR believes that everyone should read the laws that protect their right to use Oregon’s waterways for fun. The issue really comes down to five key points and one ridiculous point.

1. The United States Congress gave all navigable waters to the people of Oregon and said they must remain “forever free.”
2. According to Oregon law, all the water in Oregon belongs to the people of Oregon.
3. According to Oregon law, the land under navigable streams in Oregon belongs to the people of Oregon.
4. The United States Supreme Court said that if a stream can float a boat – even a rubber raft, the stream is navigable.
5. The United States Supreme Court gave the people of Oregon an easy four-part test to see if a stream is navigable.
6. Every session, an Oregon State Senator or Representative tries to pretend points 1 thru 5 never happened.

1. How did the U.S. Congress give us our waterways?

Known as “The Oregon Admissions Act,”The Act of Congress Admitting Oregon Into The Union is in effect, a contract between the Congress of the United States of America and the newly formed State of Oregon. When approved on February 14, 1859, it became binding on all parties. Ratifying this contract was among the first official acts of the newly formed Oregon State Legislature. The second section assures all United States Citizens of the right to use Oregon’s rivers for recreation. It reads in part as follows:

“Jurisdiction over waters forming boundary of state; use of navigable waters as free highways. … and said rivers and waters, and all the navigable waters of said State, shall be common highways and forever free, as well as to the inhabitants of said State as to all other citizens of the United States, without any tax, duty, impost, or toll Therefore.”

It seems clear to you and I, but every session some Oregon Senator or Representative tries to get a law passed to give away what the United States Congress declared must remain yours forever.

To read the complete Oregon Admissions Act visit the link below:

http://www.leg.state.or.us/orcons/admacts.html

2. Who Owns Oregon’s Water?

The State of Oregon has dozens of laws that affect how water can be used and who can use it, however, the State has only one law that explains who owns all the water within Oregon.

“Oregon Revised Statute 537.110 Public ownership of waters. All water within the state from all sources of water supply belongs to the public.”

That’s It! Could it be any easier to understand? You the public own every drop of water in the State of Oregon. Why is it that every session one or two Senators or Representatives try to hand over control of your water to an elite group that wants it for their own personal playground?

To read all of Oregon’s water usage laws go to the following web site and scroll down the page.

http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/537.html

3. You own the land under most waterways.

In 1963, before everyone became so greedy with your water, the Oregon State Legislature passed a law that clarified your ownership of all navigable waterways in Oregon. On several occasions a Senator has introduced a bill to just give your land away with a Quit Claim Deed! Is that what you want, some Senator just giving your land away?

“Oregon Revised Statute 274.025 Jurisdiction over submersible and submerged lands generally. (1) The title to the submersible and submerged lands of all navigable streams and lakes in this state now existing or which may have been in existence in 1859 when the state was admitted to the union, or at any time since admission, and which has not become vested in any person, is vested in the State of Oregon. The State of Oregon is the owner of the submersible and submerged lands of such streams and lakes, and may use and dispose of the same as provided by law.”

The only way a person can become vested in, or own public trust land is if the Oregon State Legislature passes a bill to allow the title to transfer. The bill must contain clear and specific wording. The transfer can only be for a specified parcel of land, and the transfer must be for a specific purpose such as constructing wharves and docks to improve navigation. The State did transfer some tidelands to private ownership, however, the law that allowed such transfers was repealed in the 1800’s.

To read more about your submerged and submersible lands, go the link below. You will also find many important definitions that will help you understand your rights.

http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/274.html

4. What exactly does “Navigable” mean?

The Oregon Legislature has no say in this matter. Because the United States Congress gave the navigable waterways to the Citizens of Oregon, the United States Supreme Court defines what a navigable stream is. Almost every session some Senator or Representative introduces a bill to make this so complicated even a boat full of attorneys couldn’t sort it out. More red tape, is that what you want?

In a landmark Supreme Court Case called “The Daniel Ball,” the United States Supreme Court ruled that, “Those rivers must be regarded as public navigable rivers in law which are navigable in fact.” In other words, if a stream can float any type of watercraft, the stream is a navigable waterway.

You can find “The Daniel Ball” case at the following link:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...ol=77&page=557

5. How can you tell if it is “Navigable?”

Over the years the United States Supreme Court provided Oregon with a simple four-part test to determine what is or isn’t a navigable stream. With this simple test, any citizen should be able to determine if a stream qualifies. Yet, every legislative session some Oregon State Senator or Representative introduces a bill to make this far more complicated than it needs to be.

The following information came right off the Oregon Division of State Lands website:

“Federal court decisions have developed the following test to determine whether a waterway is "navigable" for "title" (that is, public ownership) purposes:

1. The waterway must be capable of, or susceptible to use as a highway for the transportation of people or goods,
2. Transportation must be conducted in customary modes of trade and travel on water,
3. Waters must be navigable in their natural and ordinary condition, and
4. Navigability is determined as of the date of Oregon's statehood (February 14, 1859).

The courts have determined that the use or potential for use by almost any type of watercraft (for example, canoe, ferry, or ship) is sufficient to determine navigability. Further, they have found that the use did not have to occur in 1859; it is enough that it could have occurred, bringing rise to the concept of "susceptibility." Uses of a waterway that have been historically documented but no longer exist can also help to prove a waterway is navigable (for example, log drives or steamboats). As a general rule, the use of the waterway must have typically either occurred over many years, or many times over a few years.

For example, the McKenzie River case, decided by the U.S. Court of Appeals in 1982, confirmed that log drives and commercial tourism (that is, drift boat fishing guides) were sufficient evidence to prove navigability and, therefore, public ownership to the river's bed and banks.

The State of Oregon uses all of these criteria to support the public's claim of waterway ownership. Additionally, numerous court cases, most notably Shively v. Bowlby, 152 U.S. 1 (1894), and Phillips Petroleum v. Mississippi, 484 U.S. 469 (1988) have affirmed the state's ownership of tidal waters under the separate "tidality test.”

To read more about public ownership of Oregon’s waterways visit Oregon’s Division of State Lands web site at the following link. We recommend you spend some time exploring the entire site. You will find lots of information to help you understand Oregon’s recreational water use issues.

http://statelands.dsl.state.or.us/wh...ewaterways.htm

What does the Supreme Court say?

Over the years, the Supreme Court reviewed many cases about navigable waterways. The 1894 a case from Astoria, Oregon known as the Shively v. Bowlby case was so important that State Supreme Courts all across America consider it when they review navigability cases. You would think that in a State that set the standard for protecting public ownership of navigable waterways, the State Legislature would have better things to do than to try and strip you of your rights, wouldn’t you? Somehow, a small minority of our Senators and Representatives just don’t get it.

A Review:
1. The United States Congress gave all navigable waters to the people of Oregon and said they must remain “forever free.”
2. According to Oregon law, all the water in Oregon belongs to the people of Oregon.
3. According to Oregon law, all the land under all the navigable streams belongs to the people of Oregon.
4. According to the United States Supreme Court, if a stream floats a boat it is by law a navigable stream.
5. The United States Supreme Court gave the people of Oregon an easy four-part test to see if a stream is navigable.
6. Every session an Oregon State Senator or Representative tries to pretend items 1 thru 5, don’t amount to a hill of beans. What do you think?

I am currently putting together a list of Oregon Supreme Court cases that have upheld your right to use Oregon’s Rivers and Streams for recreational purposes. I will post the list when it is finished.

Just remember one thing: if you’re not willing to fight to protect your rights, people with more money and more power will take them away from you. That is what the John Day River battle was all about, a handful of property owners trying to make it illegal to fish and possibly even float on much of the John Day River.
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That is an awesome piece of information. Is there anybody out there who has a rebuttal? I'm not looking for a fight, I just want to hear both sides before I print this out and send it to every Oregon legislator.

Wouldn't it be fun to read their responses.

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So if one wanted to, how would one become more involved in protecting the law as it stands? PM me if you prefer.
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As I recall, navigability included travel by drfit boats which would be a customary method for a fishing guide to use a river for a commercial use.

So this should mean if a river can be drift boat travelled, it is navigable water, and therefore public domain.

Is this the current case?

If it is drift boat navigable "seasonally", is the river public domain (below mean high water mark) during the periods when it is not navigable (lower water)?
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About time!!!About time!!!About time!!!About time!!!About time!!!About time!!!About time!!!

You know have many people will argue the law...

I was taught all this by the ODFW over 10 years ago. Amazing that peace offices of both county and state fail to still reconize this!!!!!

Why??? To keep the peace with those who refuse to belive the law!!!!

Thanks fer postin the way it is, wether those who care to belive and learn, we shall see.....
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Old 01-20-2004, 04:36 PM   #8
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Gun Rod Bow,

You would think so according to existing law, wouldn't you, but... and that is a might big but...

In 1983 the Oregon Legislature passed a law to conduct a comprehensive, statewide study to identify all navigable and portentially navigable rivers using the federal test and historical information. It took ten long years and filled a ton of file cabinets with incredibly detailed information. A guy named Dr. James Farnell completed the study and presented it to the 1993 Legislature.

The 1993 Legislature did'nt like what they saw. They discredited the man, refused to accept his work, and basically trash-canned hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of work paid for by taxpayers like you and me.

In 1995 the Legislature enacted a bill that created a complicated, contentious, and confusing 18-step process by which only the State Land Board could officially declare a stream navigable. The process requires up to two years to complete with dozens of meetings, notificaitons, task force work groups, etc. Again, all at the taxpayers expense. They fine-tuned the process in 1997 by adding three more steps, as I understand it.

Part of this complicated mess is law that says that Only the Oregon State Land Board can officially declare a stream navigable. To heck with common sense! Consequently, the Deschutes River, the Clackamas River, The Grand Ronde River, and many other popular boating rivers, remain for all intent and purpose, NOT NAVIGABLE! At least not according to the infinite wisdom of the Oregon State Legislature.

In reality what the legislators did was cave to the big money special interest groups and created a system so complicated they figured no one would bother with it. The Association of Northwest Steelheaders proved that theory wrong. They filed the John Day River and Sandy River Navigability Study Requests among others.

CORR's long term goal is to get all this nonsense overturned and put a single law with a clear set of rules in place that protects the Public's Right as put forth in current law, while protecting the upland property owners from illegal trespass. Montana passed such a law and the number of river conflicts tapered off to darn near slammed shut.

As to the question of seasonality, I know of no case where this is an issue. If it is navigable at some time during the year, then it is considered navigable all year. The United States Supreme Court ruled that there is no scientific or engineering test for navigability. Only whether you can traverse the length of the stream using a normal mode of transportation. The courts also recognized the need for Portaging, and Cordelling (dragging a boat through shallow areas) past obstructions were part of nomal river travel. And navigability is based on the river being in natural state. Summertime dewatering for irragation is irelavent.


SafetyChain,

We are in this for the long haul, we will need money, volunteers, and skills we can use. The best thing to do is first go to the CORR Website (http://www.riverrights.org) and sign up for the email updates and calls to action.

Last june, through that list (Formerly the Defeat SB293 Website) and bulleting boards like Ifish, we managed to get over 70 phone calls and emails to the Governor in less than two hours -- two hours just before a big meeting with the lobbyists that favored passage of the bills. We carried the day, even though we were not in the meting. Action is the best way to help.

We plan to print thousands of brochures with the information you just read. We will give these to people that are willing to hand them out to others they meet along the streams.

When the time comes, more than anything, we need folks that will help us put pressure on our elected officials. The kind of pressure that lets them know we want this problem solved once and for all! It only takes a minute or two to send an email or make a call, but like they say, "timing is everything!"

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Varmit,
Now THAT's a post. To all of the would be scribes on this board, take heed, the bar has been raised. I too would be interested in followups. There have been so many discussions, evictions, arrests? based on this topic. I for one don't want our rivers taken away, our priveledge of recreating in these rivers taken away, etc. Keep us posted and keep up the hard work.
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Thanks SBV for your continuing efforts. I'm sending riverrights a donation for operating expences and urge my fellow Ifishers to do likewise.
PLEASE VISIT THEIR SITE
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Excellent post and excellent detailed sources. So much better than emotional rhetoric!

Thank you for keeping up the fight

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The Fellow incharge of state waters at the DSL is very enthusiastic about giving out the very detailed reports by Dr. James Farnell. They are all the evidence you need to walk any bank he has recommended as being Nav. If a police man were to arrest you after being shown the evidence he would most likely be conducting a false arrest.
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WOW :shocked: Great Post. Thanks for the info.

All of us on this board need to pay attention and step up the fight to save our rivers. I know I have heard the many "rumors" about all the river rights issue, but this really spells them out. I'll be checking out CORR and seeing what I can do!!

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I commend you for that great review of the issue that impact all of us river users.

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Now what do you know about this issue in the State of Washington. Do the same principals apply?

Thanks for your research.

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Old 01-21-2004, 09:00 AM   #17
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Gizmo Man,

All thrity-seven states admitted after the signing of the Constitution came into the the Union under the same set of rules, including Washington. You should be able to find the WA State Admissions Act on line. That's a good place to start your search.

I am vaguely aware of something called the Shoreline Mangement Act in Washington. That may also give you some clue as to the law and Public Trust Land in WA.

Read the Washington State Constitution. I understand that Art. 17 says that, "The State of Washington asserts its onwership to the beds and shores of all navigable waters in the state up to and including the line of ordinary hight tide, in waters where the tide ebbs and flows..." I understand that it also provides that the beds and shores of navigable freesh waters are owned by the state, since statehood. There is no statutory authority for the Sate of Washington to sell the beds of navigable waters.

I have know direct knowledge of the laws in Washington State, however, when I talked to a representative from the WA Fish and Game regarding fishing on streams, I found out that you have many of the same problems with landowners that we have in Oregon. To my knowledge. WA does not have the convoluted Navigability Study process created by our legislature.

The biggest challenge you may face, most likely will come from Washington State Supreme Court decisions. Each State and each court can interpret the law as they see fit. Unless someone has the courage to take it to the United States Supreme Court, your stuck with the State Supreme Court decisions and definitions. Oregon got lucky on this count. I am not sure about Washington. You will need to do some digging.

I recommend you contact National Organization for Rivers ( www.nors.net ) and familiarize yourself with their web site. It holds a wealth of information about navigability and the public's right to use waterways for recreation. You may find some of the answers you seek. NORS also provides a list of court decisions, both state and federal that impact your right to use your rivers.

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Is there a list of waterways that have been accepted as "navigable" by the DSL? From what I understand, a waterway must be found to be "navigable" by the DSL for the rule of public ownership to take effect.

Until a waterway is listed as "navigable" by the DSL, the land it flows over and through may still be owned by an individual with proper title & deed. Am I wrong here?
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I found a list of "navigable" waterways

click here

(edit*)not a very long list...

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The clackamas is not listed on that list!!!! How do they call the clackamas non navigable?!?!?!?!
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FrogPond,

Your are right... and you are wrong. According to current Oregon Law, the State Land Board is the only authority that can declare a river navigable for title purposes (deeded ownership) but only after the Division of Statelands proves the case for it as described in my original post. Because the submersible land beneath all navigable waters were transferred to the State at the time of statehood. The State holds a prior ownership claim and with few exceptions, the State never tranferred that ownership away.

The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that just because a state did not excercise its title claim, that does not make the claim void. Cosnequently, when a state exercises that claim, as Oregon did in the case of the Sandy River, there is no grounds for a "taking" claim by the upland property owner. The State merely took back what was rightfully theirs all along. The States ownership superceded current ownership. But remember, the public's right to use the waterway has nothing to do with ownership. Ownership is a moot point when it comes to our right to use our streams.

Because the State never gave up ownership, the vast majority of landowners along Oregon's waterways cannot provide documentation that the State ever transferred title to the stream abutting their property to anyone at anytime in history.

If you read many of the deeds on waterfront property, they even contain excusatory language that says the public has a right to use the river. Most Title Insurance policies issued in Oregon also contain excusatory language that exempts the streambed from insurance. Yes, the deed may say they own the land, but the title to such land is clouded by a prior claim created when the State of Oregon gained ownership at the time of statehood. Prior to Statehood, the Federal Govenment did not have authority to transfer title.

The State Land Board and the Oregon State Legislature does not have a final say in Navigability. The United States Supreme Court has ruled that each state can define navigability in their own way, provided that the state's definition agrees with the Federal definitioin at the time of statehood. In other words the state can provide a broader definition, never a more strict one.

In an effort to keep recreational river users off our streams, many of the bills introduced attempt to create a more stringent test for navigability Or they attempt to restrict usage based on contrived rules that defy Federal guidelines. If passed, these will cost Oregon citizens a fortune to get overturned, and the United States Supreme Court, based on historical treatment of similar attempts, will overturn them.

Basically, what the court said is that the Federal definition of "navigable waters" for the purpose of title, controlled what submerged and submersible lands were given to the state to be held in public trust. However, they also gave the state legislature the power to come up with their own definition and applicaiton of the term "Navigable." They also said that anything the state did must be consistent with the Federal definition that was in place at the time of statehood.

Also among the powers given to the state, was the power to tranfer title as they saw fit. In other words the state could tranfer the title to the stream (Oregon didn't for the most part.)but the Supreme Court also said that the State could not transfer the public's right to use the stream.

From what I have uncovered, you can put it this way; Yes, a private party can own the land beneath a navigable waterway. No, the private landowner has no legal authority to keep the public from using a navigable stream (by Federal Definition) for transportation, commerce, angling and other water related activities. These rights were granted to the State with the understanding that they would remain in Public Trust forever.

Ownership is not really an issue. Our right to use Public Trust Lands for boating, angling and other traditional water related activities cannot be transferred away by the state. In other words, it does not matter who owns the river bed, the public still has the right to use the bed up to the ordinary high water mark. There is no legal method by which the State of Oregon can assign that right to a third party. The Oregon Supreme Court, on numerous occaisions, has upheld this principle.
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SBV,
Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!!!

Thanks for the informative post, and especially for all you (and others) do on the issue of access/ownership rights.

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Well, I understand the argument, but I don't really want to be the one who is confronted by the ignorant officer who is trying to appease the local landowner which is furious about "trespassers". I don't want to be the person who has to take this to the Supreme Court to be proved right...not enough $$$. We need to have informed officers, district attorneys, and judges. Oh yeah, we need to inform the landowners as well.

Thank you for the information!
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Old 01-21-2004, 11:08 PM   #24
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SBV, Thank you very much for keeping/stoking the fire on this. I really appreciate your effort and attention to detail. The law is clearly on our side, but then it's also plenty obvious that everything (including state legislatures and legal claims) revolves around money.
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Old 01-22-2004, 06:43 PM   #25
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Frogpond (and Stew too) - Your last post is what I ment when I said in the Wilson access thread that I wish I had more time and money so I could push back when confronted by zealous landowners.

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Old 01-22-2004, 08:51 PM   #26
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Thank you varmit for your dilgent work, and Really appreciate posting the specifics from the law, as well as past cases. I am just amazed how people try to twist or distort laws to their own benefit!!

This reminds me so much of our States' current approach to "special education". For example, our son Jack has autism, and has certain legal rights to equal education via Congress thru Disability acts, etc. But when you see it implemented at the State level, a lot of those rights that Congress intended to preserve are just watered down? Its unfortunate, but when we meet with his teachers who prepare his curriculum which is supposed to show conformance to these very laws, you find out that they have never even actually read the law at all! Wow, is that silly or what? So you are sort of prompted into the advocacy role just to make sure he gets what he is entitled too! Sorry to go off on a tangent here, but i think it is really important that people like varmit sort out the real truth in relation to the law and help protect our rights to river access.

Thank You Again Varmit!!
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Old 01-22-2004, 11:27 PM   #27
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Thank you your informative posting, keep up the good work!
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Old 01-23-2004, 12:49 AM   #28
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Thank You Scruffy
Excellent summation.We must have crossed trails many times over the years. Remember this...
When we passed the Wild & Secenic Rivers Act we gave up many river rights as users.Not the least of which was FREE travel.We could soon be paying to float many more rivers if the feds choose to charge us.The W&SRA is what gave the agencies the ability to charge us to float the Deschutes,Rogue and other rivers.BEWARE the W&SRA.
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Old 01-31-2004, 05:15 PM   #29
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Bumped so F F Jack could find it.
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