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Old 05-16-2005, 09:07 PM   #1
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How do you guys dispose your fish carcasses? I usually double-bag them and throw them in the garbage can, but by the time garbage day comes around it is pretty ripe. I think it would be best for the environment to throw them back in the river, but this is illegal in Oregon. I have heard of people using them for fertilizer, but I'm not much of a gardener (and I don't want my yard to stink). Any ideas? Should I look for the nearest dumpster and hope I don't get caught? Or should I use the garbage can at the McDonald's drive-thru? Seriously, I would love a clean and legal way to dispose of them.

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Old 05-16-2005, 09:15 PM   #2
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Yes, I have been told personally by a Sheriff to not throw fish carcass or guts in the water. Of course he was watching me clean my fish while throwing the waste into the water. But he did tell me that as long as you throw your fish waste above the high water mark it was legal and encouraged by fish and game.
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I bury them for fertilizer.
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Usually in the river, as long as it's not near any launches or other obvious traffic areas.
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Old 05-16-2005, 09:33 PM   #5
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Crab Bait!!! Throw them into the bay and if they fall off on the first throw...oooppssss!!!
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Old 05-16-2005, 09:37 PM   #6
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Tie em up in a garbage bag, and drop it in the chest freezer until the night before trash day, then put em out.

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Old 05-16-2005, 10:23 PM   #7
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It makes great crab bait. I cut it upa into 8 in peaces and use the head. I have bait boxes in my pots now but I use to use old nylon stockings. If you dont crab fish I am sure you know someone who does.
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Old 05-16-2005, 11:00 PM   #8
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I don't understand why it is against the law. I would think they would want that for adding nutrients to the river. Can anyone explain this to me? I also double bag them and put them in the trash if I clean them at home, otherwise they go back in the drink.
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Old 05-17-2005, 03:38 AM   #9
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Just about every State Trooper that I have encountered on the river has told me that while it is illegal, just don't do it in front of them. They seem to agree that it is an important for the ecology.

If you make a stinky mess for local residents to smell, then you are going to have a problem.

It is my understanding that is what the intent of the law was for. People were getting upset by big stink piles at well used boat launches near their homes.
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There is a reason to it and its more than just the odor, however that is part. The other is that some systems cant handle all the bacteria that naturally decomposing fish, and fish that a bunch of people throw back in. Instead of allowing on some and not other bodies of water, they dont want us to do it, period.
When your done fishing, clean your fish - filet it - then toss that carcass into the woods! If you have to take it home to filet, then freeze the remains and then toss it on garbage day.

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Old 05-17-2005, 06:35 AM   #12
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Try posting it on here for free crab bait.
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Old 05-17-2005, 06:39 AM   #13
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Regs from odfw....

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The following activities are unlawful:

15. Dispose of dead animal (fish) carcasses, or parts thereof, in Oregon waters.

Sure it seems like a great idea... but its the law - yes dogs can get salmon poisoning, same as if its left at the high water mark on the bank.

There are reasons that those fish dont need to be back in the water, sure its fine on bigger sytems but smaller ones cant handle that amount of bacteria.

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Old 05-17-2005, 06:47 AM   #14
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Kleancut I guess I do not understand your comments on smaller rivers cannot handle that amount of bacteria.

So what about the thousands of fish that die on these small streams?

I think this "bacteria" is FOOD FOR FISH!Crawdads! Bullheads etc.
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Old 05-17-2005, 06:55 AM   #15
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:grin: Stuff it up under the back car seat belonging to that idiot next door with the boomer stereo.
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Old 05-17-2005, 06:58 AM   #16
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"There are reasons that those fish dont need to be back in the water, sure its fine on bigger sytems but smaller ones cant handle that amount of bacteria"

I've never heard that one before. How could anyone say a smaller stream could not handle that amount of bacteria if the fish came from that stream? Unless they are Sturgeon, warm water fish or trout. They are going to die, right? This is and always has been a DEQ originated regulation that makes no sense. Other than dumping carcasses in a swim area or a boat ramp, there just is no sound reason for it. I either dump mine in deep water or bag the carcass and freeze it. The next trip out it goes back into deep water or use as crab bait. Just remember not to filet carcasses until reaching the shore at the end of your trip..
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Old 05-17-2005, 07:05 AM   #17
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As was mentioned above, double bag and toss in the bait freezer if you have one. That way you don't have to smell it and if you forget to take it out on trash day, give it to a friend for crab bait.
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Old 05-17-2005, 07:13 AM   #18
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Tie em up in a garbage bag, and drop it in the chest freezer until the night before trash day, then put em out./quote]

That works real good, no smell and you don't risk letting any critters get ahold of it. As KETA said, dogs can get Salmon poison.....it can be deadly to dogs. :depressed:
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Old 05-17-2005, 08:06 AM   #19
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I really wish Washington and Oregon would get on the same page. For instance; Above the dumpsters at Draino Lake there is a big sign saying " Do not throw fish rements in trash, place them in the lake" What gives?
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Old 05-17-2005, 08:08 AM   #20
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Plant them under a bean plant or freeze til trash day.
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Old 05-17-2005, 08:16 AM   #21
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BTW this is directly off the WDFW web-site and is the one I go with.

"Forbid the cleaning or filleting of fish and shellfish in the field if size, weight or sex restrictions control the harvest of the species"
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Old 05-17-2005, 10:02 AM   #22
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Here's an interesting question. Why, if it is illegal to dump fish guts in a river, does the fish and game folks have our fishing club volunteer to dump whole, complete dead fish in the river?

I supsect the law dates way back to when people caught and cleaned hundreds of salmon a day in very small areas. Dumping all that in a small area probably lead to the legislation. It's just that the idiots in charge have never thought to change the regs.

Fish is mostly water so if you bury them, they break down real fast. There ain't much left after a few weeks. Just bury them deep enough so the possums and rackcoons don't find them. And adding a few carp, bluegills, suckers adn Northern Pike Minnows to the garden is a lot cheaper than Alaska Fish Fertilzer which is basically the same stuff only in liquid form. To make things even go faster, run 'em through a blender... just not the wife's good one.
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Old 05-17-2005, 12:52 PM   #23
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"Here's an interesting question. Why, if it is illegal to dump fish guts in a river, does the fish and game folks have our fishing club volunteer to dump whole, complete dead fish in the river?"

Exactly.

Look, before we came along with our dams, commercial fisheries, etc, etc, etc....these runs were HUGE. Much larger than any of us can probably imagine. Each run would bring fresh nutrients into the system from the ocean (we all know how a food chain works, right?). Just think of how many carcasses were on the bank back then.

In all reality, the law should be change to say the you MUST clean your fish on the bank. Then maybe we could help replenish a fraction of the nutrients that were once present in our rivers.
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Old 05-17-2005, 01:31 PM   #24
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I've got a funny story about "disposing" of fish carcasses. Well I had just moved into a new house and a couple of days after getting settled I decided I needed to go fishing. So I had a pretty good day and managed to stitch a Steelie. After cleaning it on my back porch and was in the process of putting the carcass into the trash my elderly neighbor lady came out screaming and hollering.

"Wait...what are you doing with that fish?"
"umm tossing it" :whazzup:
"can I have it"
"Sure" I figured she may be going crabbing or something...I had no clue.
Then she responds "oh I'm going to be eating good tonight"

Yup you guessed it…she wanted the carcass to make fish stew. So I ended up getting on the neighbors good side and finding a place to dispose of my carcasses all at once. Fish make freinds, and food! I just knock on her door and her eyes light up…she takes em every time. Pretty sweet deal if you ask me.

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Old 05-17-2005, 01:47 PM   #25
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I bait bears in my backyard.
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Old 05-17-2005, 02:13 PM   #26
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When I was a kid my dog got salmon poisoning from eating some of the neighbor's salmon "fertilizer". I know it works, but please be careful disposing of fish in the yard if there are pets about. Bag and Freezer for me until trash day.
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Kidding about the bearbaiting. A bear was spotted in our neighborhood this morning. The salmon get buried deeper than the shad and sturgeon for sure. Most of my neighbors control their animals, but some don't.
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Old 05-17-2005, 02:24 PM   #28
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I, like a lot of people, freeze mine and use it for crab bait. BTW, did they finally locate and trap the bear in Scappoose?
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Old 05-17-2005, 02:26 PM   #29
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There is a reason to it and its more than just the odor, however that is part. The other is that some systems cant handle all the bacteria that naturally decomposing fish, and fish that a bunch of people throw back in. Instead of allowing on some and not other bodies of water, they dont want us to do it, period.
When your done fishing, clean your fish - filet it - then toss that carcass into the woods!
Have you ever seen some of the small streams in Alaska when the Silvers or Sockeye were spawning? It's something you have to see to believe.

And please do not throw fish carcasass obove the high water mark or in to the woods, a lot of good dogs could be lost. All of my fish go back in to the river.
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After a year in the freezer the shad goes in the garden if they don't get used for crabbing to make room for fresh shad. My wife is a serious gardeners and the beans just long them.

I haven't heard about the bear. I hope he got into the poplar planations. Had a copter circling the house and a bear hound eating our cat food this morning so it must have been sighted nearby. I like seeing the wildlife, the eagles, beaver, otter, deer. Haven't seen a bear locally yet though, that would be cool. I will look at the shad cemetery after work tonight to see if we had a visitor. I know processing tuna attracts racoons from far away, ecspecially when the canner starts venting.

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Old 05-17-2005, 04:18 PM   #31
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Until the rules are changed, I dont throw the carcass in the stream and will continue to dispose of in the woods. I own a dog, and know all about salmon poisoning. I try to toss it in places people dont stop, dogs wont roam. Maybe instead of everyone suggesting to do what ODFW has suggested not doing - hire your self a few biologists and change the law! :grin:

My comment regarding too much bacteria in the smaller streams is from an ODFW/biologist - not a buddy. It seems as he was educated in this field, and being new to fishing maybe he'd know a bit more than me... so I'll follow 'til the rule is changed.

Oh well, not that big a deal - not sure anyone really knows

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Klean Cut,

why not bag it and throw it in the garbage?

It seems to be the least offensive way to get things done.

My favorite was the guy cleaning 4 springers at the end of a busy dock. Blood everywhere. I politely mention that dogs could get sick from the blood, he calls me a '&^4B&*% (*$$@#^$#. Then he tells me things about my mother. Another of the worlds great thinkers. He makes no effort to clean up the blood when he leaves.

Maybe I should send him the next vet bill I get for salmon poisoning

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Old 05-17-2005, 07:29 PM   #33
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ClearCut:

That’s a great dog photo you have with your signature. Have you ever watched a dog die of salmon poisoning, KleanCut? I had the distasteful experience of watching my dog perish after getting mixed up with a salmon carcass that some kind soul threw out in an area where “people don’t stop, dogs won't roam”. It was one of the most distasteful experiences of my life. The dog was a real fighter. She went slowly.

This has been an interesting post. I’ve have learned some things and I have particularly enjoyed the presentations of the different theories about the do’s, the don’ts of disposal. I like reading about the logical arguments that different individuals use to justify their solutions to the issue. Most of the solutions and opinions have one thing in common. Generally there is a shared concern for doing the most logical, responsible thing. ClearCut, there is absolutely nothing logical or responsible about your fish carcass disposal method! You are just plain lazy. Anywhere that you can get to, a dog can get to. Disposing of your garbage on land that you don’t own is just plain wrong. Sounds like littering of hazardous garbage on public property to me. Or are you throwing your carcasses on private property?

Sure hope you are not responsible for poisoning any dogs, ClearCut. Thankfully, the majority of comments here are focused on responsible and logical solutions.
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Old 05-18-2005, 06:23 AM   #34
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Flame on dude... I throw my carcass' off of clear cuts. No homes or dogs or places to stop for quite a way. Lazy? Lazy is the folks who cant take the time to dispose of a carcass properly i.e.- toss it right at your feet, where you fish, a foot off the bank in the drink??? I actually go out of my way to dispose of them IF I CANT USE EM. You all assume the worst of people, like someone would just dump the carcass in a parking lot or something where people and dogs are!!!

Done with this thread- Nail Not, sorry about your dog.

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Old 05-18-2005, 07:02 AM   #35
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With all the talk about Salmon Poisoning on this thread, does anyone know what it is about Alaskan and Inuit sled dogs that apparently makes them immune? How could they have survived almost entirely on a diet of frozen salmon without this having been a major problem?
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Old 05-18-2005, 08:38 AM   #36
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I always keep the carcass for crab bait much to the dismay of my wife. Toward the end of the summer thought the freezer is pretty full. They don't exactly pack very neatly. I have tried cutting them up and freezing in my bait cages for crabbing convience but that takes alot of cages. One thing I will never do again is this. After a great trip to Sekiu many years ago we had a dozen or so fish to process at home. Being fairly new to large numbers of fish, I brought them all home un processed. I proceeded to fillet them and freeze for the winter. At the time I did not crab so needed a good way to dump a dozen carcasses. garbage day had just come the day before. So I pondered. Uereka, I had what seemed to be a great idea at the time. I'll dump them down the storm drain in front of the house. We lived on a fairly steep hill and the pipes must be sloped also huh? So I dumped them all down the storm drain, was kinda tough on the bigger ones, those slots in the grates are kind of skinny. Mission accomplished!!! EXCEPT, remember it was summer. About a week later a horrible stench swept through the neighborhood. (it was a dry summer) i immediately knew what the problem was. After a couple of days of the stink, I decided I need ANOTHER grat idea to counter the first one. So, I stuffed the garden hose down the storm drain for an hour and a half and the whole mess moved downstream. Thinking back, it probably lodged at the next narrow spot ! I hope it made it to the bay instead of some other guys neighborhood. So, remember, don't toss those carcass in the storm drain!

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FishBead- That's funny!

Thanks everyone. I used to do the "freeze until garbage day"; I guess it had just been so long since I tagged a fish that I forgot last week, and now I have a very smelly garbage can to clean. Unfortunately, both freezers are pretty full, and I plan to fill any empty corners with shad, so I guess I can only catch 1 fish per week until I use up some bait.
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Old 05-18-2005, 09:36 AM   #38
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Freeze the carcass and the day of pick up put them out in the can. You can freeze them in the garbage bag
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Old 05-18-2005, 11:11 AM   #39
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Why dispose? Why not eat everything? Salmon frames smoke up real nice. And I can get a meal or two from the roe. There is also enough meat on a head for a decent meal. Why are fishers wasting the hard earned fruits of their labor?

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The virus does not occur north of B.C. At least not to any great extent. Dogs seem pretty immune up there to anything. Our little ShihTzu licked up salmon blood all the time in Alalska and never once got sick. She is 11 now and still going strong.
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Is it a virus or a parasite. If it doesn't occur north of B.C. how come? Is it because of the weather? That wouldn't make sense because the fish don't know what the air temp is.
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My guess is that any dogs suseptible to the disease were taken out of the gene pool many generations ago.
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That doesn't seem logical. Dogs move around just like people (i.e., their owners) do, so the gene pool of "northern" dogs is still subject to continual change. Seems more likely that there's some environmental (climate) threshold that limits the survivability of whatever little nasty it is that causes the sickness.
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There are no age, sex, or breed predilections; however, the disease prevalence is higher when the availability of fish is greater. Infected fish are found in the Pacific Ocean from San Francisco to the coast of Alaska, but SPD is more prevalent from northern California to Puget Sound. It is also seen inland along the rivers of fish migration. Apparently, the snail is the geographically limiting factor.


Hmm, snail carries it like mosquitos carry malaria
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Old 05-18-2005, 03:24 PM   #45
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First, throw 'em in the river.

Here is some additional info on the organism that causes salmon poisoning.
www.metpet.com/Reference/Dogs/Health/salmon_poisoning_in_dogs.htm
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Old 05-18-2005, 03:33 PM   #46
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Thanks, I got busy on google and found a way cool veteranary medicine page that has all that and more.
Now I know
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Old 05-18-2005, 03:39 PM   #47
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Why dispose? Why not eat everything? Salmon frames smoke up real nice. And I can get a meal or two from the roe. There is also enough meat on a head for a decent meal. Why are fishers wasting the hard earned fruits of their labor?

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Why? Why throw them in the river? Or put them in your garden? With the amount of use I get out of every fish by using the whole thing, I'm getting 20-30% more out of every fish than someone who fillets and throws them in the river.

Conserve what you catch - use it all, not just the choice easy to access parts like the fillets.

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Old 05-18-2005, 03:41 PM   #48
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In Alaska, they feed the dogs raw salmon right off to get the disease overwith... Or so I have heard.
They do that here in Tillamook, too.

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Old 05-18-2005, 04:25 PM   #49
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I'd be willing to bet there have been some rather "Happy Critters" over the years eating the King scraps. I have fished from Nor-Cal to Kodiak and there are various ways to dispose of the Carcasses. In the Gold Beach area they have a drain tube that runs right into the Bay and the carcasses land right on top of "Jabba the Hut's" dinner plate. Actually it was a seal down there but the same difference if you know what I mean. In the Soldotna region of the Kenai River all or most of the folks are sending the scraps back to mother nature to help feed the little fishes. I think if there is a stagnant area in a riversystem there should be no dumping. Think if you took all of the Crab Bait you have used over the years what that would look like. I think there are plenty of ways to dispose of the waste. Common sense howerver is very uncommon. I say better to get them to the other animals in our Eco- System that need them than have it end up in the dump.
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Old 05-18-2005, 04:30 PM   #50
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Old 05-18-2005, 04:55 PM   #51
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About the Salmon poisoning for dogs. The parasite does not live in the Northern country. Infact its somthing that only affects river salmon and steelhead. Dogs can eat all the fish they want that comes out of the ocean or salt water. (Not reccomend you feed it to them) But when fish enter the river is when it is picked up and can kill dogs.

As for me guts in the river everytime. You can do this reponsibly as any of the other alternatives. The law stops people from being pigs and turning boat launches into graveyards.
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Old 05-18-2005, 06:40 PM   #52
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So, is questioning why there is a need for carcass disposal a taboo subject? Am I the only fisher that attempts to consume as much of my catch as possible? To me, pitching a salmon frame in the river is extremely wasteful.

I was on the south coast of Oregon last month and saw a scruffy looking gentleman hanging around a fish cleaning station politely asking fishers if he could have the skeletons of the ling and rockfish. Most of the fishers gladly gave the frames to this man for him to scavenge what he could for he and his wife. This guy really needed something to eat, I suspect nobody on ifish is as down and out as this guy. All of us, at the very least, have computer access.

There have been many threads on different natural predators taking fish that people believe are rightly theirs. But, it seems to me that the human predator: 1)needs the fish least 2)is the most wasteful

Rockfish frames smoke up real nice also, give it a try.

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