HIP exam

Tilla · 09-19-2002, 07:40 AM

I got a "talking to " by the official at Sauvie Is Refuge while chasing overdressed chickens the other day because I didn't have my HIP done. I get the sportspac which gets me all my necessary tags/stamps at one time before the new year. What I don't understand is why the state computer doesn't prompt you to the questionaire when buying the Pheasant tag?!? I know that the HIP has special dates it's good for.
After talking to a few people about this I hear that they will cite you depending on the mood of the officer. So be careful.
Now, about the HIP thing. I heard that if you say on the questionaire that you are not intending to hunt Crows and you shoot a Crow, you can be cited!? :shocked:
If you say you will hunt Crows a notation will be made on the new license copy they give you. I will get the HIP done and say I will hunt Crows to see if it is true.
If this is true it's a bit scary.

skein · 09-19-2002, 08:15 AM

I, too, get the sportspac, and always say I hunt everything on it. The reason I get the sportspac is so I'm good to go no matter what I run into, be it a bear, cougar, or crow. I don't usually hunt crows, but if the situation arises I don't want to be uncovered or have to run back somewhere to get validated.

It seems they're splitting some pretty fine hairs here. The fact that you pay the extra for the sportspac should be a pretty good indication that you've made an effort to be above-board. It's also a way of funneling some extra $$ into the ODFW coffers. That ought to make a statement as well.

Skein

GutshotApe · 09-19-2002, 08:16 AM

Tilla - Yup, if you want to hunt (or might want to hunt) crows, bandtail pigeons or brant you must say so when buying your tags, licenses, stamps etc. and your license needs to be specifically validated for those species. All other bird species are automatically validated, I think.

Killertraylor · 09-20-2002, 09:16 AM

GSA is right - and I think it's pretty misleading by the ODFW to do this. They ask you "do you intend to hunt crows" Usually, I never go out hunting "intending" to shoot a crow, but if it gets slow duck hunting and one flies over, sometimes I pop it - I see them as a pheasant predator as they eat the eggs, so I shoot them when I have the chance. I too learned from a friend that you have to say "Yes" when they ask you (and I confirmed this in the regs) or you can get cited for shooting a crow without a proper validation. They should tell you when you are doing your HIP that unless you say "yes" you cannot hunt that species.

Lured In · 09-20-2002, 09:40 AM

Skein...the HIP validation does not cost money so if that is where you were going, that is not the case. If you were refferring to the citation $$, I doubt that ODFW would be that clever.

Anyway, here is an intersting thought. This was my first year buying a non-resident OR license. (I was a resident for the previous 5 years). Did you know that for non res hunters you on get a "bird" validation? You do not have to buy both an upland and a migratory state stamp. One price both tags and all the HIP info to boot. I did not even get the usual HIP questionaire. I got it for everything automatically.

This somewhat reminds me of the Salmon, Steelhead and Halibut tag for fishing. A couple years ago they put they put them all on one tag instead of having a separate tag for halibut. I know some folks (especially) those inlanders were none too happy about this. There reasoning was, "why should I pay for a hali tag if I am not going to ever fish for one?"

I am not arguing the logic, but for simplicity's sake, perhaps having a single stamp for both upland and migratory, along with every HIP validation imaginable would be better?

BTW speaking of tags etc...

I am thinking of inventing a new license wallet. One that I can carry my big game tags in, fee pheasant tag, spring turkey, fall turkey, salmon/steelhead/halibut tag, my permit application reciepts for Sauvie and the big game hunts, my Sauvie reservation permits and my NW Goose Permit :shocked:

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Does anyone else have personal license management issues like me? I am constantly afraid I am going to drop something out of there when I have to shuffle through 10 different pieces of paper in my license holder. [img]graemlins/1zhelp.gif[/img]

Maybe something like the picture holders in wallets?

Tilla · 09-20-2002, 03:03 PM

My wallet has put my spine out of place. Gotta have it all in there. If I put that stuff somewhere else I just know it'll be left behind.

skein · 09-20-2002, 07:32 PM

Lured In,

No, I'm not worried about the HIP validation costing money, I know it's free. The remark about extra dollars to ODFW was in reference to getting tags that I might not get otherwise. For example, I've never taken up turkey hunting, but the sportspac comes with a turkey tag. If I decide to hunt, I'm already covered, and if I don't, then the FW gets some extra tag money they might not otherwise get. I see it as a win-win deal.

As for the tag wallet, I'll be your first customer! I was thinking today that I should get something that would keep 'em separate so I don't have to dig out my cougar-elk-deer-turkey-bear-steelhead-goosepermit just to show the trooper. And like Tilla, I won't have to worry so much about leaving it behind. Good idea!

As an aside, I got last year's HIP validation at GIJoe's from a little gal that's probably more comfortable selling Garth Brooks tickets. She asked me about crows, and when I said yes, she asked why anyone would hunt crows. I told her I always wondered that too, until a friend with an orchard asked for my help because the crows were destroying his crop. I swear I saw the light go on in her head, and she said, yeah, I guess that makes sense! It's nice to have an answer ready sometimes.

Skein