ODFW requires social security number rant/?

cully · 03-06-2005, 08:47 AM

I went with my wife as she tried to purchase a shell fish license. The seller/agent informs her that he has found her in the system but he won't sell her a license unless she tells him her social security number. Big problem! My wife tells no one her social security number unless it's the tax man and maybe her bank. I'm a realist, more or less and I believe more people have or can access our private information then we'd like. I'd give my number up in favor of having a license but I can totally understand someone who won't even if it means they don't get to fish.

The agent tells my wife he'll call Salem, which he does. This is at 8:30 pm Friday. He hems and haws on the phone for a few minutes, hangs up then informs us, no way can he sell her the shell fish license. We leave.

This process is repeated yesterday/saturday in Hebo at the Sporting Goods Shop. Seller informs my wife, Yes I see your information but I need your SS# to issue you a license. We leave knowing only one of us will be pulling traps and harvesting crab.

Would someone inform me as to why the odfw needs the ss#. She has been a reisdents of this state and country (U.S. citizen) for over 50 years, has a valid drivers licenses, pay property taxes, federal and state taxes and these bozos can't figure out she's not the taliban?

We did enjoy the day on the Bay.

cully

rileyusmc · 03-06-2005, 08:56 AM

It's not an ODFW requirement! It's the new requlation from the Dept. of Homeland Security's.This is one of the new laws that Congress passed. ANY Federal,State or local goverment paperwork now REQUIRES your S.S.# for tracking purposes!
Remember,BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING!

Dakotan · 03-06-2005, 09:03 AM

I was just looking at this the other day. It seems like a good idea as it will hopefully lessen the number of people that abuse the child support/alimony system (i.e. deadbeat dads). I can see your wife's point of view as identity theft is a major problem these days but

to ODFW for trying to crackdown on a problem.

"Federal and state laws require ODFW to collect the social security number of applicants for hunting and fishing licenses. These laws were enacted as part of a nation-wide effort to improve child support compliance. Social security numbers will not be displayed on licenses or disclosed except as required by state or federal law. Instead, a new Hunter/Angler Identification Number will be printed on all licenses, tags, and permits. The number is permanent and the primary number for identifying individuals in the system and maintaining their licensing history and accumulated preference points for big game controlled hunts."

Chromaflage · 03-06-2005, 09:11 AM

It has nothing to do with Homeland Security or ODFW. ODFW (and all other state fish and game agencies) is required by federal law to obtain an SSN for anyone who purchases a fishing/huning licesne. This was enacted a few years back in an attempt to try to crack down on "dead beat dads" who owe child support. As far as I see it, it was a lame excuse for another government agency creating a paper trail on citizens.

the original intent of the SSN was to track social securiy tax and payment, period. We have gotten so far away from that, SSNs are readily available to anyone who wants to find them.

CrF

kwik karl · 03-06-2005, 09:15 AM

I just bought my kids their free fishing licenses and their combined angling tags and I didn't have to give their SSN's. I thought I would but the clerk at Joe's didn't ask for them. KK

cully · 03-06-2005, 09:18 AM

Rileyusmc, thanks for taking the time to reply. Weird thing is the state already has her number. Can we all spell duplicate. She pays taxes! Someones getting ripped off, us. How about asking for the last four digits of her number so mr. willy nilly isn't able to access her info? Homeland security is under the impression that the taliban is trying to get fishing licences? Wow!

Big brother is really a dummy imo. He sold a license to my french brother in law and all his kids who came to visit us recently with no social security numbers involoved. Social Security has nothing to do with homeland security.

No wonder there is so much indenity theft and gee, could that lead to less security

C-lice · 03-06-2005, 09:30 AM

"She has been a reisdents of this state and country (U.S. citizen) for over 50 years, has a valid drivers licenses, pay property taxes, federal and state taxes and these bozos can't figure out she's not the taliban? "

If this is the case, then the bozos in question already have her SS#. Would it help if she knew that?

cully · 03-06-2005, 09:41 AM

C-lice,
It's a princaple thing with her. For many reasons. The biggest being identity theft . She's been hit already. Why give the local smo one of the biggest keys to your lively hood? To get a few crab? Not her. I can't fault that. I respect it. I'd give my # number up in a heartbeat and did. Fishing means more to me then all the fuss. I just wish I had my life partner experience the same fun I'm having. She's content to just ride along. Fine.

ron m · 03-06-2005, 10:16 AM

It may not satisfy her, but you could go to an ODFW office to get the license.

hotslam · 03-06-2005, 11:17 AM

Dakotan, im truly offended! what about deadbeat dads? maybe you should mention deadbeat moms? statements like the one you made make all single dads look bad! hotslam

Snakebite · 03-06-2005, 11:26 AM

Hotslam,
Don't blame Dakotan. Blame the State Childrens Services Division. If your the non custodial father, you are scum in their opinion, no matter what you do.

STGRule · 03-06-2005, 11:49 AM

It catches deadbeat Moms and Dads. This isn't just a male problem. Perhaps we should just say deadbeat parents. Although that isn't really true either. How can you be a parent and not support and nurture your child?

Chromaflage · 03-06-2005, 12:46 PM

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Perhaps we should just say deadbeat parents.

Perhaps. But the fact of the matter is that the policy was enacted in order to track down those fathers who owed back child support. Yes, it is true that there are both "dead beat" fathers AND mothers. But it was touted by governmental officials as a way nail the fathers. Just echoing what the officials force fed us when they implented the stupid requirement.

CrF

ctflyfish · 03-06-2005, 07:01 PM

A couple years ago, I tried to buy a nonresident Oregon license for a visiting friend from Germany who obviously did not have a SSN. Guess what: no license.

wthr4d · 03-06-2005, 11:02 PM

Well the interesting thing is I went to Walmart in Lebanon and handed him my drivers license and in 30 seconds he handed me my fishing license...NO SSN needed. I was already in the system, all I had to do was prove who I was. I think possibly there was a big misunderstanding in the training of someone. There should always be an alternate way to ID the customer and the clerks you talked to should have known and used it.

Hey if she still wants a license just run her over there and pick it up!!

Paul

Radke · 03-07-2005, 05:31 AM

Hotslam, thank you for speaking up!

Every time I hear the term 'dead beat dads' my blood boils. Not wanting to hijack the thread, just want to voice a very strong feeling. The percentage of non-custodial mothers who are court ordered to pay child support and do not, is almost exactly the same percentage as fathers. It isn't a gender problem, its a responsibility problem that goes beyond gender.

5 Salt · 03-07-2005, 05:47 AM

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Dakotan, im truly offended! what about deadbeat dads? maybe you should mention deadbeat moms? statements like the one you made make all single dads look bad! hotslam

No....just deadbeat Dads!

Jeremy · 03-07-2005, 07:23 AM

Im not sure if they have my SSN in the system or not but i do know that i havnt shown them any picture ID in the last 3 years when i have got my licenses and tags, just give them my license from the year before and they seem satisfied.

Dakotan · 03-07-2005, 08:24 AM

Oh just relax hotslam,
The problem with email or discussion boards is that statements get taken way out of proportion. I concede that the world has deadbeat moms as well as deadbeat dads. I in no way refer to ALL or even MOST single dads as deadbeat. That would be a major oversight and generalization on my part. However, I think statistically speaking, divorces that involve children generally result with children being placed into the custody of the mother. As such, a higher percentage of deadbeat parents ends up being a father rather than a mother. Bring on the flaming. Ifish should have an icon with a flamethrower!

Radke · 03-07-2005, 08:35 AM

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I think statistically speaking, divorces that involve children generally result with children being placed into the custody of the mother. As such, a higher percentage of deadbeat parents ends up being a father rather than a mother.

no, like I said earlier in this post, percentages are about the same. But because as you pointed out, the majority of custodial parents are the mother, the true bottom line number would be that there are more deadbeat scumbag fathers than deadbeat scumbag mothers.

Of course, I'm purposefully ignoring any and all reasons why child support isn't being paid, such as no means for payment, or denied visitation rights, or or or or....

What was this post about again? :whazzup:

Dakotan · 03-07-2005, 10:00 AM

It was about why a social security number is required for a fishing license until it got sidetracked. It sounds like someone has a chip on their shoulder.

bjon · 03-07-2005, 10:23 AM

Thats the ticket... If you have ever had a tag or liscense before they will not need youre social, but if you have not it must be given. Then from there on out it is just a matter of giving them youre name and showing i.d. to purchase whatever you need.

Troller · 03-07-2005, 10:35 AM

Up here in washington they have been asking for it for years now. I have a friend that will not would not give his SS# he would have rather quit fishing and hunting alltogether. So When he got his license he mixed up a couple of numbers. He figured he could allways tell them it was typo. He now fishes and uses the same numbers that were first assigned . It is something else when the country you live in and pay taxes makes you a criminal. He is not a dead beat parent.

cully · 03-07-2005, 10:44 AM

ron m,

I showed my wife your response. She may take that option which would be awsome. I really want her to be part of the crabbing team. Handle, measure etc. It just adds to the fun for all.

Thanks all,
a non-dead beat dad

cully

TonTo · 03-07-2005, 11:50 AM

It will all be so much easier when we all have the chip inplanted in our forheads and they just have to run your mellon over the scanner.

J/K

Danderson · 03-07-2005, 06:03 PM

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It will all be so much easier when we all have the chip inplanted in our forheads and they just have to run your mellon over the scanner.

J/K

HaHa LOL...

fishonksm · 03-07-2005, 08:06 PM

you all didnt give them your real SSN# did ya?