Animal cruelty or not..revised

Fish-n-Fever · 02-12-2005, 05:36 PM

My original post was moved by the mods because I did not name my sources untill my second reply. I will begin again.
1st source...JR Blyeth (my father)
2nd source Ellen Knickerbocker (my sister)
3rd source Cody Blyeth (My nephew)
All of these sources are neighbors to the subjects in this post.

Here's the facts as witnessed by my sources.....

The people involved in this live in a rural setting and want to slaughter their own bull.
You can walk right up to this animal as it was hand raised.
They take a hand gun and shoot this animal 4 times in the head area, it does not die and walks away. By this time the neighbors are out and call the police. The 2 guys that are "slaughtering" this bull put the gun they used away when they saw the police coming.(They are convicted felons) Then they take knives and proceed to stab the bull to no avail.During the "stabbing" process young children (11 or 12)followed these men around with gallon milk jugs full of water so they could occasionally wash the blood off of them. As the police arrive on scene and watch as the two brain surgeons go get a compound bow and shoot approx. 2 doz. arrows and 7 of the arrows hit the bull in various places including the EYE. A neighbor came with a rifle and shot the animal 2 times, still alive. Police say this does not constitute animal cruelty the men are just "poor" shots. When the police are asked to kill the bull they reply, unless it is on the road off your property we can't shoot it. The police say they refuse to leave until the animal is dead. The police leave before the animal is dead. Another neighbor shoots the bull 3 times with a 38 hand gun and it eventually dies.
9 shots, 7 arrows total and 2 1/2 hrs from first shot till the animal dies.
You decide if this constitutes animal cruelty or not.

Ron

crabbait · 02-12-2005, 05:48 PM

Yes. It is absolutely animal cruelty. It is also a tale of two very inept individuals that I would just as soon I had never read.

Just my opinion.

fish_on · 02-12-2005, 06:00 PM

Just ranch life, it isn't always easy or nice. How many of you have ever chiseled the eye out of a cancer eyed cow? Dehorned calves, fixed a prolapsed cow, or many of the other common things that people in western oregon would think is cruel

My opinion

garyk · 02-12-2005, 06:13 PM

Did this happen in Oregon, if so what area or police jurisdiction?

Fish-n-Fever · 02-12-2005, 06:14 PM

I understand about all the thing's you mentioned that happen and are necassary on farms but this goes beyond anything I have ever heard of.
I bet if a farm hand did even half of what these people did the other hands would probably stake him out.
It is a sad and sickening thing to have happen to animal or any creature for that matter.

Ron

Fish-n-Fever · 02-12-2005, 06:18 PM

Yes in Oregon.
Marion county was on scene as well as staters.
This began around noon time.

Ron

yankemnbankem · 02-12-2005, 06:57 PM

1 well placed shot between the eyes with a 22 hornet and down it would go. I feel it is cruel to have an animal suffer. This also brings up hunters who go Bow hunting and feel like they can draw at 30 - 50 yrds on their kill. Most miss the intended spot of entry and proceed to fling more arrows out of their quiver. This is all a bad idea. One shot one kill...... works for everything! I think these yahoos learned a lesson though.

Ruffty · 02-12-2005, 07:03 PM

I don't understand why the heck they tried to slaughter it with a compound bow.... People make me sick sometimes...

Definately animal cruelty.

fishonksm · 02-12-2005, 07:20 PM

even though it appears to have been cruel its just life. to bad the guys didn't have more brains to call some one more experienced to come out to put the bull down. without sounding sarcastic food for some doesn't come off the grocery store shelves. Food does come from farms, fields and ranches. safeway, albertsons and freddiesare are just distributors.
How many of you have heard about tying the chickens� leg to the stump before taken off his head. that way you don't have to chase em down.
Its life. I hoped the kids learned something from this. Your only good at so much, call the experts for the rest.

Straydog · 02-12-2005, 08:02 PM

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9 shots, 7 arrows total and 2 1/2 hrs from first shot till the animal dies.

"Just ranch life"?? Please.

Yes. It is animal cruelty.

sunshinefisherman · 02-13-2005, 07:15 AM

I have to wonder about the accuracy and objectivity of the original post because of this statement,

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They take a hand gun and shoot this animal 4 times in the head area, it does not die and walks away. By this time the neighbors are out and call the police. The 2 guys that are "slaughtering" this bull put the gun they used away when they saw the police coming.(They are convicted felons)

If this is true, they were probably committing a felony by being felons in posession of a firearm. I say probably because it is possible for a felon to be granted relief from the prohibition on firearms ownership. Also, I believe that bows are considered firearms for felons. Do you believe that the police would ignore a felon in posession?

I think these guys are inept and it is unfortunate and unnecessary that it took this long but it does not rise to the level of animal cruelty which is a crime.
If you want to point fingers at these guys, there are three pointing back at you! There are lots of people who think fishing and hunting are cruel!

RvW · 02-13-2005, 07:33 AM

Ranch life? Raising and slaughtering animals was a big part of my life growing up. Ranchers have respect for thier animals that dictates a good life, and a quick painless death.

Sunshine if the animal didnt die would it be cruelty on a criminal level? So up until the animal did die, what would you call that?

Even if the the story is an exageration, its still disgusting.
But the felon thing is hard to swallow, as well the police allowing firearms to be discharged in an area that would concern and alert the neighbors and draw an audience to this pathetic fiasco.

corkieking · 02-13-2005, 08:59 AM

That's pretty bad. The police didnt have anything to say about them being felons?

ajfishfinder · 02-13-2005, 09:16 AM

How bout giving us the rest of the story??? I guess if these boneheads are to cheap to call a slaughter truck, they were going to gut, skin and quarter this beast by them selves??? My guess is that it is still laying out in the field cooling, while they go to get gas for the chainsaw to do the quartering??? I don't know how big this animal was but as stated before, a well place 22 will even drob a 2000lb buffalo.

Rakkasan · 02-13-2005, 09:30 AM

I grew up around animals being slaughtered on a farm. It is obvious they did not know where to place the shot. All of the slaughters I saw involved a 22 in the ear or between the eyes. I did see them have trouble with a pig once and it took several shots but it ended quick. The animal fell and it was over. Cruelty? Probably not intentional. Sounds like lack of knowledge and lack of morals. I agree, it is sad to see, but as said, "it is farm life folks". I will say that I can understand how a person may feel who has not been exposed to farm life.

Sorry if it is upsetting. I can understand how it would be.

David Banaka

02-13-2005, 10:17 AM

In humain behavior as well as "Stupid Human Tricks". Kill anything as quickly as possable.

MasterCaster · 02-13-2005, 11:15 AM

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I have to wonder about the accuracy and objectivity of the original post because of this statement,
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They take a hand gun and shoot this animal 4 times in the head area, it does not die and walks away. By this time the neighbors are out and call the police. The 2 guys that are "slaughtering" this bull put the gun they used away when they saw the police coming.(They are convicted felons)

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If this is true, they were probably committing a felony by being felons in posession of a firearm. I say probably because it is possible for a felon to be granted relief from the prohibition on firearms ownership. Also, I believe that bows are considered firearms for felons. Do you believe that the police would ignore a felon in posession?

These people are well known by all the neighbors to be CONVICTED FELONS. The hand gun was put away before the officers arrived. From what I was told (I was not there) They told the officers that they had someone else come over to shoot it but it didnt die so he (the other guy that was never there) left. I dont know if the officers ever even ran the guys for a record check. After all they said they werent doing anything "illegal".

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But the felon thing is hard to swallow, as well the police allowing firearms to be discharged in an area that would concern and alert the neighbors and draw an audience to this pathetic fiasco.

This all took place OUTSIDE of city limits where it is LEGAL to discharge firearms.

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How bout giving us the rest of the story??? I guess if these boneheads are to cheap to call a slaughter truck, they were going to gut, skin and quarter this beast by them selves??? My guess is that it is still laying out in the field cooling, while they go to get gas for the chainsaw to do the quartering???

After the animal finally died, They drug it to a big tree and hung it like you would an elk. That is where they skinned it.

Now with all that said, could there be some exaggeration? Sure there could be a little as EVERYONE watching this was in SHOCK. Especially when after the cops were called they couldnt even do anything but Im sure very little if any at all was exaggerated since the story came from multiple people.

The Humane society is VERY interested in all of this and from what I have been told reports and complaints are being filed.

It was not just family members that saw this. There were 3 or 4 other neighbors as well that witnessed it. One girl got sick to her stomach and had to go home. She comes from a family of hunters as well so blood/killing is not something new to her.

Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

garyk · 02-13-2005, 06:35 PM

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During the "stabbing" process young children (11 or 12)followed these men around with gallon milk jugs full of water so they could occasionally wash the blood off of them.

In Oregon, the presence of children ups the criminal charge ante.

Spudwiggley · 02-13-2005, 07:48 PM

"BRING BACK NATURAL SELECTION!" is what I say. It just isn't what it used to be.

These "Yahoo's (source: Yahoo.com - my e-mail provider)" wouldn't last 10 minutes.

Of course its animal cruelty and its a shame that people aren't required to take basic stupidity tests to own an animal. Sometimes people really DO make you sick!

lost_sailor · 02-14-2005, 07:30 AM

Sounds more like incompetence than cruelty. If we start prosecuting ranchers, I hope we like vegetables.

This story reminded me of the bullfight I went to in Madrid. That experience brought home the fact that cultural values differ from place to place, and that our cultural values aren't necessarily "right" - they're only right for "us."

02-14-2005, 07:33 AM

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If we start prosecuting ranchers

These guys aren't ranchers and everyone I know can humainly kill a cow.

hawgcatcher · 02-14-2005, 07:35 AM

That is why they have mobile slaughter crews. They come out and bring their truck and do it quick and clean. I would rather pay someone to do it and get it done right. I can bet that their cutting of the meat was a mess too.

Claybear · 02-15-2005, 12:42 PM

:depressed: :depressed: Being raised on dairy farms, I can only recall one incident that went south a bit. It was quickly remedied. We always used a 22. Kids and neighbors always helped. Now days it will shock most peoples sensibilities and to have one go bad, then it's just ugly.
Ignorant, yes. Were they intentionally trying to maim the animal? I doubt it.
Are you disturbed that people tried to kill and butcher without knowing what they were doing and an animal suffered more than it needed to. That I understand.
Felons using a firearm? I don't know the case history.
Animal cruelty? I cant make that jump. Even in hunting, some times things just go south and you try to take care of it as best you can.

BrianMaguire · 02-15-2005, 10:28 PM

Sounds awful, a basic knowledge of anatomy would have cured the problem.

BTW - Bows and Arrows ar not considered firearms and convicted felons can own and hunt with them. Its hard to hold up a gas station with one, preferably a samuri sword would be used :smile:

02-16-2005, 07:12 AM

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Sounds awful, a basic knowledge of anatomy would have cured the problem.

Not really, I've seen 2 cows shot in the forehead with a 22rf rifle just shake their heads and walk off.

TheKing · 02-16-2005, 07:27 AM

Intent is the key word. They did not intend to be cruel. The only cruel hear was Mom Nature she was cruel to them by not giving them enough common sense.

$50 a head is the going rate for a slaughter service. I do two steers every year. Draw a line between the eyes and go about an inch up towards the Poll and a .22 will drop them like a sack of potatoes everytime. A bull is considered a cutter and only used for burger. In this situation they most likely will have realstrong tasting burger.