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Old 11-06-2013, 09:14 AM   #1
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http://www.dfw.state.or.us/fish/CRP/...ndorsement.asp

When and how did this happen? Does this money go directly to Gill netters?

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Old 11-06-2013, 09:45 AM   #2
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Looking on the bright side, this new endorsement fee will stop in 2021.
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Old 11-06-2013, 11:30 AM   #3
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I wonder if you don't get it & get cought/pay the fine. Who gets the the fine money?
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Old 11-06-2013, 11:39 AM   #4
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When and how did this happen? Does this money go directly to Gill netters?
If you read the link you posted it will answer your questions............

For the record, I think this endorsement is a crock of *#%@..................
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Old 11-06-2013, 11:54 AM   #5
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http://www.dfw.state.or.us/fish/CRP/...ndorsement.asp

When and how did this happen? Does this money go directly to Gill netters?
Been part of the agreement between the governor and netters since the beginning. They just didn't advertise it since it is so popular!


We have this in Washington except our money goes into a fund to provide more recreational opportunities. Most folks I talk to are happy with the fee up here. But like I said a bit different when it is funding our own activities.

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Old 11-06-2013, 12:02 PM   #6
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Looking on the bright side, this new endorsement fee will stop in 2021.
Also on a brighter note........since the dollar will totally collapse in 2016, which will result in 2 years of social unrest and total anarchy where the government will seas to function.

We wont have to pay the fee for 2016 or 2017 either.

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Old 11-06-2013, 12:19 PM   #7
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I love bass fishing because I happen to catch a lot of salmon.
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Old 11-06-2013, 12:27 PM   #8
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i love bass fishing because i happen to catch a lot of salmon.
bummer when you have to release that 30lb springer.
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Catching them is all the fun anyway! Not huge fan of of eating salmon becides the rest of my family catches so many they cant give them away!
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Also on a brighter note........since the dollar will totally collapse in 2016, which will result in 2 years of social unrest and total anarchy where the government will seas to function.

We wont have to pay the fee for 2016 or 2017 either.
It is conceivable that in 2018 the new cyborg controlled government will extend the endorsement past 2021?
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I may be wrong but I believe the money from the oregon CR endorsement is to be used to designate which off channels will be used to safely net hatchery salmon in without intercepting endangered wild stocks.
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Old 11-06-2013, 02:29 PM   #12
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It is conceivable that in 2018 the new cyborg controlled government will extend the endorsement past 2021?
Why would they? There won't be any humans left!
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http://www.dfw.state.or.us/fish/CRP/...ndorsement.asp

When and how did this happen? Does this money go directly to Gill netters?
If you are indeed interested in the answers I can tell you what I know.

The fee was made law by the passage of Senate bill 830 passed in the Oregon legislature and signed into law this year.

The endorsement fee was part of the new lower Columbia River Reforms.


The fee paid by sport fishers makes up about 1/3 of the total funding. The other 2/3 are from general fund and lottery dollars.

The benefits to sport fisheries include:

Making the management priority of the lower columbia river mainstem selective recreational harvest

Big shift in allocation away from commercial fishing to sport fishing in the mainstem Columbia

Elimination of gillnets in the mainstem Columbia.


The fees do have a sunset.

The fees will be used to fund the transition. Including infrastructure such as net pens and studying and implementing enhanced off channel fishing areas designated for commercial harvest. And yes some will be used to fund transition of commercial harvest gear to implement selective commercial fishing gear capable of live sorting fish for the commercial market. There will also be some increased hatchery production available to both sport and commercial fishers.
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Old 11-06-2013, 06:37 PM   #14
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Old 11-06-2013, 06:49 PM   #15
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Is there any reason they just can't do a lump sum that they just raise every year so we don't have to keep such a close eye on what fees to get and not get. Almost like they break the cost out enough, then catch us when we miss one? O, and if I every take a pay cut, I'll never be able to afford to fish or hunt again!
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Old 11-06-2013, 06:51 PM   #16
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Yes.....Thank you CCA. Again
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Old 11-07-2013, 09:56 AM   #17
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If you are indeed interested in the answers I can tell you what I know.

The fee was made law by the passage of Senate bill 830 passed in the Oregon legislature and signed into law this year.

The endorsement fee was part of the new lower Columbia River Reforms.


The fee paid by sport fishers makes up about 1/3 of the total funding. The other 2/3 are from general fund and lottery dollars.

The benefits to sport fisheries include:

Making the management priority of the lower columbia river mainstem selective recreational harvest

Big shift in allocation away from commercial fishing to sport fishing in the mainstem Columbia

Elimination of gillnets in the mainstem Columbia.


The fees do have a sunset.

The fees will be used to fund the transition. Including infrastructure such as net pens and studying and implementing enhanced off channel fishing areas designated for commercial harvest. And yes some will be used to fund transition of commercial harvest gear to implement selective commercial fishing gear capable of live sorting fish for the commercial market. There will also be some increased hatchery production available to both sport and commercial fishers.
Thanks for the response. I guess I just don't understand why sport fisherman need to support the commercial industry.
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Old 11-07-2013, 10:01 AM   #18
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If you read the link you posted it will answer your questions............

For the record, I think this endorsement is a crock of *#%@..................
Thanks for your insightful post. The posted material did not answer my questions. I do agree with you that it is a "crock"
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So it comes to less than $1 per month. I don't see the problem with this if it is used to manage the resources effectively.

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Thanks for your insightful post. The posted material did not answer my questions. I do agree with you that it is a "crock"
OK, so changing management to prioritize recreational angling and huge increases in fish available to sport fishers you think is a crock...got it.

What question did you have that was not answered?
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OK, so changing management to prioritize recreational angling and huge increases in fish available to sport fishers you think is a crock...got it.

What question did you have that was not answered?

he means we should NOT have to help support the change of gear

why support the netters? we shouldnt have to do that especially since we lost barbs, give us our barbs back then maybe.....
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OK, so changing management to prioritize recreational angling and huge increases in fish available to sport fishers you think is a crock...got it.

What question did you have that was not answered?
What was not answered was how is the funding allocated and who is paying into this. I already pay for my fishing license and a harvest tag. i don't think I should have to pay for equipment changes for any industry.
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Old 11-07-2013, 12:03 PM   #23
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I understand the sentiment of wanting what we want, not being excited about paying more, and not liking some of the seemingly punitive aspects. Specifically the barbless rule.

I'm not passing opinion or judgement on those things. During the process things like barbless and closed areas were pushed back on. But ended up being part of a bigger package that benefits sport fisheries and the fish.

The meetings were public. Over months and months. In both OR and WA. Many meetings in and around Portland. Hundreds of involved anglers shed up and testified. All the comments are public record. It wasn't a secret meeting by any stretch.

What I am pointing out is that there was a huge change in the management priority of the Columbia River. 100 years ago and up until last year the focus was to get fish into a can and to market in the cheapest and most cost effective manner.

Folks around here have been fighting to not only end the use of gillnets in the Columbia River but also to show that selective recreational angling is better for the fish, but a better utilization of the resource to the state and citizens.

2/3 of the transition fee was paid for from general fund and lottery dollars. Sport fishers and the fish will be the beneficiaries.

You can look at the fee as "going to the gillnetters".

Or for the price of a boat launch and a tray of herring sport fishers are now being recognized as the best stewards of the Columbia River fisheries.
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What was not answered was how is the funding allocated and who is paying into this. I already pay for my fishing license and a harvest tag. i don't think I should have to pay for equipment changes for any industry.
The anglers who will pay the new fee in OR are those that fish the Columbia River and its tributaries (there are some boundaries, not all the tribs, ie. the Clack above Hwy 99 and the Willy above the falls)

EDIT:

The part I highlighted in blue above was a mistake on my part. I mixed 2 conversations I had had with an ODFW staffer recently.

The map can be seen here: http://www.dfw.state.or.us/fish/CRP/columbia_river_basin_endorsement.asp


The thought process is those anglers would be receiving direct benefit of higher allocation and no gillnets.

And again, 2/3 is paid by public funds, not angler generated. ODFW will have some administrative authority over what is approved and not approved expenditures and it will be watched.

Sport dollars have been paying for commercial fishing benefit since the beginning of license sales. Frankly there is nothing new about that. Just doesn't get noticed very often.
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i don't think I should have to pay for equipment changes for any industry.

You're not. Seems pretty clear to me:

"Required for salmon, steelhead or sturgeon fishing on all rivers and tributaries in the Columbia River Basin.
Cost is $9.75 for an annual endorsement or $1 per day for a daily licenses.
The endorsement helps fund the transition of non-tribal commercial gill nets out of the mainstem Columbia River into enhanced off-channel areas, freeing up additional salmon and steelhead for sport fishing.
No angler dollars are planned for commercial buyouts, purchase of alternative gear, or other reimbursements to commercial fishermen"

Not sure what you're not seeing here....

Like G-R-B said: for the price of a boat launch and a tray of herring....seems reasonable to me given it helps get the commercials off the main stream.

My only question is this: I already pay the fee in Washington and I buy an annual non-resident Oregon license. Do I have to pay both states fee?
I think if you pay one state's fee, the other will recognize if, but I'm not sure..
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If you are indeed interested in the answers I can tell you what I know.

The fee was made law by the passage of Senate bill 830 passed in the Oregon legislature and signed into law this year.

The endorsement fee was part of the new lower Columbia River Reforms.


The fee paid by sport fishers makes up about 1/3 of the total funding. The other 2/3 are from general fund and lottery dollars.

The benefits to sport fisheries include:

Making the management priority of the lower columbia river mainstem selective recreational harvest

Big shift in allocation away from commercial fishing to sport fishing in the mainstem Columbia

Elimination of gillnets in the mainstem Columbia.


The fees do have a sunset.

The fees will be used to fund the transition. Including infrastructure such as net pens and studying and implementing enhanced off channel fishing areas designated for commercial harvest. And yes some will be used to fund transition of commercial harvest gear to implement selective commercial fishing gear capable of live sorting fish for the commercial market. There will also be some increased hatchery production available to both sport and commercial fishers.

Where the fees go have a sunset! I'll beleive it when I see it that the fees themself have a sunset.
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You're not. Seems pretty clear to me:

"Required for salmon, steelhead or sturgeon fishing on all rivers and tributaries in the Columbia River Basin.
Cost is $9.75 for an annual endorsement or $1 per day for a daily licenses.
The endorsement helps fund the transition of non-tribal commercial gill nets out of the mainstem Columbia River into enhanced off-channel areas, freeing up additional salmon and steelhead for sport fishing.
No angler dollars are planned for commercial buyouts, purchase of alternative gear, or other reimbursements to commercial fishermen"

Not sure what you're not seeing here....

Like G-R-B said: for the price of a boat launch and a tray of herring....seems reasonable to me given it helps get the commercials off the main stream.

My only question is this: I already pay the fee in Washington and I buy an annual non-resident Oregon license. Do I have to pay both states fee?
I think if you pay one state's fee, the other will recognize if, but I'm not sure..

So does the washington fee cover Willamette, clackamas rivers? I just fish those rivers & get stuck paying for the main river improvments. My opinion it doesn't help those rivers at all on increasing the quotas because there are none.
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So does the washington fee cover Willamette, clackamas rivers? I just fish those rivers & get stuck paying for the main river improvments. My opinion it doesn't help those rivers at all on increasing the quotas because there are none.
I wonder if those fish swim or fly to their natal streams..... I wonder which route they take in doing so....... Things that make you go hmmmmmm

Edit: WA fee had nothing to do w/the Oregon fee.

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If you have a problem with this welfare fee, buy one less hatchery tag.
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Said it before and will keep saying it: Pioneer and Disabled Vet license holders don't need the CR tag.

PS - tag is need but it is free. Also under 14 Youth licenses get their CR free.

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The anglers who will pay the new fee in OR are those that fish the Columbia River and its tributaries (there are some boundaries, not all the tribs, ie. the Clack above Hwy 99 and the Willy above the falls).
All you posts have been very insightful, but this confuses me. What boundaries? It's it the whole basin except the Snake Idaho border? Where are you seeing not the Clack and Willie?
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I'm recalling a conversation and it's possible I crossed a wire. I'll double check and correct that if I have it wrong.
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The benefits to sport fisheries include:

Making the management priority of the lower columbia river mainstem selective recreational harvest

Big shift in allocation away from commercial fishing to sport fishing in the mainstem Columbia

Elimination of gillnets in the mainstem Columbia. ..
AND...

No more targeted gillnet fishery on sturgeon.

An end to the winter wild steelhead bycatch mortality in gillnets, and having to fight their lobby's efforts to double or triple the allowable mortality.

No more vacation days used and gasoline burned to go to commission hearings and defend sportfishing against the gillnetters call for a significant reduction in the sportfishing catch.

PLUS...

Longer and likely more predictable sportfishing seasons.

I might be forgetting a couple of things but $9 is a pretty cheap price to get all that.
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For the record, I believe this will be good for the fish and sport fishermen. I just don't like the fee. If the 2/3 of the money comes from "gerenal funds" and the 1/3 from this fee. I feel I am paying twice, once with my tax dollars and again with the fee, to correct an issue for others to make money on.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:30 AM   #35
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AND...

No more targeted gillnet fishery on sturgeon.

An end to the winter wild steelhead bycatch mortality in gillnets, and having to fight their lobby's efforts to double or triple the allowable mortality.

No more vacation days used and gasoline burned to go to commission hearings and defend sportfishing against the gillnetters call for a significant reduction in the sportfishing catch.

PLUS...

Longer and likely more predictable sportfishing seasons.

I might be forgetting a couple of things but $9 is a pretty cheap price to get all that.

yes but sturgeon are still gonna end up in there and possibly tangle up resulting in mortality not good .. NO NETS MEANS NO NETS!! not seins

has any one read up in history for the 1800s and early 19's when they had these things? doesnt any one remember that these things were banned and how much damage they did to salmon runs? I dont think so.
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Old 11-08-2013, 12:58 PM   #36
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For decades, 4 at least, we've tried to move the needle on nets in the Columbia. Thanks to the help of many we succeeded. After 2009 and again in 2011 I didn't think I'd ever see any change in my lifetime...the deck was stacked solidly against us.

What's missed is what we've accomplished...together. Did we get all we wanted? No. I never had any illusion that we would...but we definitely rolled the rock and the work's not over.

Fact is a number of organizations came together as a common voice and worked hard to achieve change. GRB and GaryK have provided welcome insight...they were both right there in the trenches working hard to make this happen.

I watched along with others as the room was filled with commercial fishermen making their case. Their testimony went on for hours and it was compelling. Sportsanglers were represented by far fewer and at the end just a handful who were easily outnumbered by 10 to 1.

In my view we were lucky to get what we did and all who participated --- CCA, Steelheaders and NSIA should all be congratulated.

I'm not happy about the fee but I'll happily pay it because it represents to me a new beginning and something to build on. Now we have a chance to make our case, show what we can do as a community in delivering much-needed economics to lower-river communities and a higher level of conservation to benefit wild fish.

I can tell you for sure that when I left that commission meeting after decades around this issue I'd hoped to raise a glass and celebrate but we didn't because we knew the work was just starting. I'll say it now and hope to say it again and again...thank you Bruce, Gary (a couple Garys), Bob, Norm, Russell, Liz, Randy, Dan, Dave, George, Grant and the many, many others that were a part of the solution. Your selfless dedication to the cause, the lumps you've taken before, during and after and your continued work on this issue are greatly appreciated.
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Old 11-08-2013, 03:23 PM   #37
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yes but sturgeon are still gonna end up in there and possibly tangle up resulting in mortality not good .. NO NETS MEANS NO NETS!! not seins

has any one read up in history for the 1800s and early 19's when they had these things? doesnt any one remember that these things were banned and how much damage they did to salmon runs? I dont think so.
This aint the 1800-1900's. At least with a sein, they can live sort. Something that is impossible for a gill net.(gills stuck in net, rolled up on a spool, stuck in recovery box,released, very very bad). Wild fish, and non- targeted fish will be released without being touched by a human. Once again, impossible for a gill net. One can see the difference. You dont have to read about the past to see what is front of your face now. Allowing the commercial and sport Sturgeon harvest this year alone is much worse than Sturgeon "possibly" getting tangled in a sein. IMO. It was mans fishing and harvesting practices and habitat destruction that damaged the Salmon runs. Not the tool used. I understand your point of view- "no nets means no nets". That has a great ring to it, and i wish it would come true. We are moving closer! I have no problem at all with paying the endorsement fee. I would pay much much more for "no nets at all"
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Old 11-08-2013, 06:15 PM   #38
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This aint the 1800-1900's. At least with a sein, they can live sort. Something that is impossible for a gill net.(gills stuck in net, rolled up on a spool, stuck in recovery box,released, very very bad). Wild fish, and non- targeted fish will be released without being touched by a human. Once again, impossible for a gill net. One can see the difference. You dont have to read about the past to see what is front of your face now. Allowing the commercial and sport Sturgeon harvest this year alone is much worse than Sturgeon "possibly" getting tangled in a sein. IMO. It was mans fishing and harvesting practices and habitat destruction that damaged the Salmon runs. Not the tool used. I understand your point of view- "no nets means no nets". That has a great ring to it, and i wish it would come true. We are moving closer! I have no problem at all with paying the endorsement fee. I would pay much much more for "no nets at all"
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Old 11-08-2013, 07:06 PM   #39
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This aint the 1800-1900's. At least with a sein, they can live sort. Something that is impossible for a gill net.(gills stuck in net, rolled up on a spool, stuck in recovery box,released, very very bad). Wild fish, and non- targeted fish will be released without being touched by a human. Once again, impossible for a gill net. One can see the difference. You dont have to read about the past to see what is front of your face now. Allowing the commercial and sport Sturgeon harvest this year alone is much worse than Sturgeon "possibly" getting tangled in a sein. IMO. It was mans fishing and harvesting practices and habitat destruction that damaged the Salmon runs. Not the tool used. I understand your point of view- "no nets means no nets". That has a great ring to it, and i wish it would come true. We are moving closer! I have no problem at all with paying the endorsement fee. I would pay much much more for "no nets at all"
you dont get it this is what partly caused the salmon colapse back then and it will happen again
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Old 11-08-2013, 07:06 PM   #40
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As stated by others, if they use the funds as intended, then I would say it's a fair trade for a larger allocation for the sportsman as well as getting gillnets off the mainstem Columbia.
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Old 11-08-2013, 07:08 PM   #41
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you dont get it this is what partly caused the salmon colapse back then and it will happen again
also your willing to pay for us loosing barbs and fishing area? that we will never get back?? how sure are ya that we will even get what we are asking?

I am not sure at all , all im seeing now is what we are loosing
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Old 11-08-2013, 07:10 PM   #42
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also your willing to pay for us loosing barbs and fishing area? that we will never get back?? how sure are ya that we will even get what we are asking?

I am not sure at all , all im seeing now is what we are loosing

sein nets are sein nets back then and as they are now see whats happening in Alaska with them? look how they are wipeing out the runs there.....


dont tell me that the sein nets are going to do less harm, they will take more fish
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Old 11-11-2013, 01:38 PM   #43
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I could care less about barbed hooks for Salmon or Steel Head. Barbless is better for the fish. And for the seins,- once their quota is met, off the river they go. They will not be able to kill all the fish you believe they will.
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Old 11-11-2013, 01:48 PM   #44
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Well I am kind of torn on this one if I can pay $10 a year and never have to see a gill net in mainstream columbia then bring it on. However it is getting expensive and complicated to hunt and fish in this state. we could aways get to vote on it to do away with it
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Old 11-11-2013, 02:11 PM   #45
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One would think that with all the additional allocation, there should be more than 20 blocks on next year's salmon tag. Wishful thinking, huh?


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Old 11-19-2013, 07:24 PM   #46
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Ok, I see now the cat is out of the bag. I spent some time around a fire w/ 4 fish bio's earlier this fall.
I wasn't supposed to be paying attention as it was an internal discussion but I was.
At first I mentally jumped on the defensive bandwagon, but as I quietly listened I began to understand what it really ment....... victory of sorts.
I was asked to keep it to myself until the press release.

I'm with Ron & Gary, this is a definate step in the right direction.
If the funds produce more fish and remove net from the main river & there are more fish for us sporty's......I'm all for it.
What are we talking about... the price of burger? Good grief, I'll pay it!
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Old 11-19-2013, 07:45 PM   #47
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One would think that with all the additional allocation, there should be more than 20 blocks on next year's salmon tag. Wishful thinking, huh?


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What would you do with more than 20?

How often do you eat salmon?

What about those that don't fish?
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Old 11-19-2013, 10:28 PM   #48
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What would you do with more than 20?

How often do you eat salmon?

What about those that don't fish?
Sorry but what business is it of anyone's as long as he legal retains them? The girl and I fill at least a catch card a year and I give it to my family and friends. I enjoy my passion, remove a lot of hatchery fish and feed my family and provide great treats to friends.

I pay for an extra catch card when needed. State receives more money. Sounds like a winning situation. There are daily bags limits and that is good enough. Don't punish those that are efficient or just pain addicted to the throb of the rod.....

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Old 11-19-2013, 11:36 PM   #49
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Why the bs subsidy?

How's the new nets are responsibility to help pay for?
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Old 11-20-2013, 07:15 AM   #50
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Said it before and will keep saying it: Pioneer and Disabled Vet license holders don't need the CR tag.

PS - tag is need but it is free. Also under 14 Youth licenses get their CR free.
Looks like I wont have to pay the extra $9.75 + $1.00 There is some benefit to being old and living in Oregon for 69 years.

BUT I am willing to pay it if I have to and will not complain about it.

What gets me is the fishermen that have boats that cost OVER $20,000 and up and a $30,000 truck to pull it with. Complaining about a $9.75 increase in the cost of going Salmon, Steelhead, Sturgeon fishing. I don't get it.

I am willing to pay it and I can only afford a used boat that cost less than $4,000 and a small truck to pull it.
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Old 11-20-2013, 08:02 AM   #51
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that's it, all the big rods are going out to the dust collecting area with my corded drills and braces
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Old 11-20-2013, 10:13 AM   #52
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also your willing to pay for us loosing barbs and fishing area? that we will never get back?? how sure are ya that we will even get what we are asking?

I am not sure at all , all im seeing now is what we are loosing
I think you mean "losing" and what we are losing is the gill nets non-selective harvest method. Yes, it will take a little time and yes, it will cost a little money.
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sein nets are sein nets back then and as they are now see whats happening in Alaska with them? look how they are wipeing out the runs there.....


dont tell me that the sein nets are going to do less harm, they will take more fish
Oky, this is simply oral diarrhea. The method that will be legal for use in the Columbia will not include hauling the nets on deck for sorting. My recommendation for anyone caught hauling unsorted fish on deck would be immediate revocation of the commercial permit. These guys have too much skin in the game to risk the endeavor on a stupid violation.

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Old 11-20-2013, 10:16 AM   #53
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If you are indeed interested in the answers I can tell you what I know.

The fee was made law by the passage of Senate bill 830 passed in the Oregon legislature and signed into law this year.

The endorsement fee was part of the new lower Columbia River Reforms.


The fee paid by sport fishers makes up about 1/3 of the total funding. The other 2/3 are from general fund and lottery dollars.

The benefits to sport fisheries include:

Making the management priority of the lower columbia river mainstem selective recreational harvest

Big shift in allocation away from commercial fishing to sport fishing in the mainstem Columbia

Elimination of gillnets in the mainstem Columbia.


The fees do have a sunset.

The fees will be used to fund the transition. Including infrastructure such as net pens and studying and implementing enhanced off channel fishing areas designated for commercial harvest. And yes some will be used to fund transition of commercial harvest gear to implement selective commercial fishing gear capable of live sorting fish for the commercial market. There will also be some increased hatchery production available to both sport and commercial fishers.
is sport hatchery production going to increaseor be reallocated to net guy
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Old 11-20-2013, 10:25 AM   #54
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is sport hatchery production going to increaseor be reallocated to net guy

sounds like we loose smolts and it gets reallocated , i dont understand how they figure the math that we will have more fish coming back if they take out and away from our smolts
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Old 11-20-2013, 10:38 AM   #55
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[QUOTE=crabbait;5631137]I think you mean "losing" and what we are losing is the gill nets non-selective harvest method. Yes, it will take a little time and yes, it will cost a little money.


we lost barbs, lost fishing area and now are going to be loosing smolts to the netters, if thats not loosing, what is? how is it a win when they take smolts away from us and give to the netters? show me the math and prove to me that its not loosing
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Old 11-20-2013, 11:08 AM   #56
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I think you mean "losing" and what we are losing is the gill nets non-selective harvest method. Yes, it will take a little time and yes, it will cost a little money.


we lost barbs, lost fishing area and now are going to be loosing smolts to the netters, if thats not loosing, what is? how is it a win when they take smolts away from us and give to the netters? show me the math and prove to me that its not loosing
Hate to say it, but if you have not been paying attention, we have lost many smolt already from the Sandy, Clack, And Willy. These fish are set up for the netters, in the safe areas. That's how they will be kept off the main stem. I am not happy about losing smolt, but i am happy nets are moving off the main stem. I personally have not lost any fishing areas, but i understand your point of view. Barbs? so what. I had fun with my dremmel this year! $10.00?????? Petty!!! I myself will be patient, and wait to see how every thing turns out in the long run. Still plenty of fish to be caught in those systems.
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Old 11-20-2013, 11:31 AM   #57
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I think you mean "losing" and what we are losing is the gill nets non-selective harvest method. Yes, it will take a little time and yes, it will cost a little money.

Oky, this is simply oral diarrhea. The method that will be legal for use in the Columbia will not include hauling the nets on deck for sorting. My recommendation for anyone caught hauling unsorted fish on deck would be immediate revocation of the commercial permit. These guys have too much skin in the game to risk the endeavor on a stupid violation.

There will be lots of eyes watching.
According to lots of folks on this site, the current bunch of gillnetters routinely violate all kinds of rules like no recovery boxes and extended soak times. And apparently they just get a slap on the wrist if they get caught. When these gillnetters become purse seiners, why would their attitudes about rules be any different.
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Old 11-20-2013, 11:47 AM   #58
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According to lots of folks on this site, the current bunch of gillnetters routinely violate all kinds of rules like no recovery boxes and extended soak times. And apparently they just get a slap on the wrist if they get caught. When these gillnetters become purse seiners, why would their attitudes about rules be any different.

This IS a worry of mine. I could tell some stories........As long as it's done in the daylight and with observers I'm OK with it....Who am I kidding??? THERE SHOULD BE NO NETS ON THE BIG RIVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 11-20-2013, 02:43 PM   #59
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According to lots of folks on this site, the current bunch of gillnetters routinely violate all kinds of rules like no recovery boxes and extended soak times. And apparently they just get a slap on the wrist if they get caught. When these gillnetters become purse seiners, why would their attitudes about rules be any different.

exactly, i have spent numerous nights watching gillnetters out of my own boat at nightand cant tell you how many sturgeon are wasted and salmon/steelhead are wasted,yet if they get caught bc i know darn well there is NO observer onboard, all they get is a slap. When we do something wrong.... OH boy we get it bad far worse than any gillnetter gets
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Old 11-20-2013, 02:54 PM   #60
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I wonder if the fee could be used to change out barbless hooks on all my gear!
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