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Old 11-05-2013, 01:09 PM   #1
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Default Fukushima's nuclear disaster. What do you think?

What are your views on the safety of eating seafood out of our west coast waters since the Fukushima accident.

Do you think our future salmon / steelhead will be safe to eat?



Just wondering what IFishers think.....

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Old 11-05-2013, 01:13 PM   #2
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Old 11-05-2013, 01:16 PM   #3
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What are your views on the safety of eating seafood out of our west coast waters since the Fukushima accident.

Do you think our future salmon / steelhead will be safe to eat?



Just wondering what IFishers think.....

I think it's a toss up!
A. Japanese commerical fleet down = more salmon in our rivers.
B. Reason for fleet down = causes contaminated salmon that will be coming back.

NO I don;t really know about the Japanese commerical fleet... just my opinion.
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Old 11-05-2013, 01:35 PM   #4
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What are your views on the safety of eating seafood out of our west coast waters since the Fukushima accident.

Do you think our future salmon / steelhead will be safe to eat?



Just wondering what IFishers think.....
Ever heard of the Japanese Current? It slams into the Pacific coast at about the Oregon /California boarder. Millions of gallons of contaminated water is leaking into the pacific; the "ice wall" hasn't worked. Monitoring stations in Alaska have started to detect the fall out. It could be years before we see the affects.
Look up thyroid disorders in women in the western USA. Many women today take thyroid supplements to counter a condition that is the result of nuke tests from the 1940s.
Fukushima will be with us for several generations..... And the affects of the contamination are yet to be seen.

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Old 11-05-2013, 01:48 PM   #5
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Old 11-05-2013, 01:54 PM   #6
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Old 11-05-2013, 01:58 PM   #7
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Old 11-05-2013, 02:39 PM   #8
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Ah, the nuclear scaries again.

Please compare the small amount of gamma radiation associated with this accident with the millions of tons of gamma-emitting radiation generated by over 200 nuclear weapons tests in the 1940s - 1960s.

No comparison. Sheesh!
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Old 11-05-2013, 02:42 PM   #9
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Ok that covers the air but what about the water?

I have heard reports that their has been salmon bleading from the gills in canada. Can anyone confirm this?
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Old 11-05-2013, 02:52 PM   #10
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Of course this is referring specifically to tuna, but I think it is still applicable.

"In estimating human doses of the Fukushima-derived radioactive cesium in Bluefin tuna, we found that heavy seafood consumers -- those who ingest 124 kg/year, or 273 lbs., which is five times the US national average -- even if they ate nothing but the Cs-contaminated bluefin tuna off California, would receive radiation doses approximately equivalent to that from one dental x-ray and about half that received by the average person over the course of a normal day from a variety of natural and human sources. The resulting increased incidence of cancers would be expected to be essentially undetectable."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0603183103.htm
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Old 11-05-2013, 04:32 PM   #11
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Does anyone really think the government(theirs or ours) would tell you the truth? Do you really think they would want to panic us all?
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Old 11-05-2013, 06:59 PM   #12
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I am worried about it, cause I don't think that the lying stinking government would tell the truth. I worry because I depend on selling seafood to make a living. What if the people I sell it to are getting sick from radiation? We are all dying but I don't want to speed it up any.
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:11 PM   #13
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Maybe itll give us larger more aggresive hulk type fish!! Im in...
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Old 11-06-2013, 10:21 AM   #14
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Ok that covers the air but what about the water?

I have heard reports that their has been salmon bleading from the gills in canada. Can anyone confirm this?
I have heard that there is a blood pathogen that was found in wild B.C. sockeye. It appears to have been brought over in net pen atlantic salmon.
http://commonsensecanadian.ca/VIDEO-...covered-in-bc/
I don't think it has anything to do with radiation.

I agree with Thumper.......if radiation remained prevalent in sea water the Bikini atoll nuclear tests and the several nuclear submarines that have sunk with critical nuclear reactors should be making the sea glow, and it isn't.

Most people probably get more radiation from natural rock decay (ie radon gas and radium) than they will ever get by eating seafood.......now mercury on the other hand is a different story. And yet no one seems to care that we are going to sell mercury laden coal to China so that the mercury laden emission can blow out to sea and pollute all the trophic levels (especially the top predators such as tuna) where it accumulates in the meat. Now that is an environmental threat. I'm normally pro development but I say No to overseas coal shipments.

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Ah, the nuclear scaries again.

Please compare the small amount of gamma radiation associated with this accident with the millions of tons of gamma-emitting radiation generated by over 200 nuclear weapons tests in the 1940s - 1960s.

No comparison. Sheesh!
Head in the sand....
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Old 11-07-2013, 08:13 PM   #16
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0603183103.htm

Whenever I see the phrase "experts say it's safe to eat"

I remember the federal response when Mad Cow was found in a cow down in Mabton, WA.

They institututed new safety measures to make sure no one would get infected...

Ha, just kidding, they made it illegal for anyone to test for Mad Cow in beef animals below slaughter age so it wouldn't disrupt the Beef industry.
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Old 11-08-2013, 08:46 AM   #17
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What are your views on the safety of eating seafood out of our west coast waters since the Fukushima accident.

Do you think our future salmon / steelhead will be safe to eat?



Just wondering what IFishers think.....
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Old 11-08-2013, 12:15 PM   #18
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It happened so it's either quit fishing now or business as usual.
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Old 11-08-2013, 01:22 PM   #19
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Old 11-08-2013, 01:37 PM   #20
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We should be more concerned about the leaking storage tanks at Hanford....
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Old 11-08-2013, 04:20 PM   #21
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Head in the sand....


This is not something in question...radioactivity is a well understood and quantifiable physical property, and the math is straightforward. For a given radioactive particle, we know how it decays and at what rate. That means we know exactly how much it radiates over a given time (whether alpha particles, beta particles or gamma rays).


He was simply pointing out that in terms of the total amount of radioactive material in the Pacific ocean, we KNOW for a FACT that the Fukushima contribution is a fraction of a percent. If you weren't already freaking out about radioactive material in the Pacific, it's irrational to change your perception based on Fukushima.
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Old 11-08-2013, 05:27 PM   #22
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Old 11-08-2013, 05:42 PM   #23
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I eat lots of Walleye out of the Mult Channel. I eat fish from the Pacific to cleanse myself.
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Old 11-08-2013, 07:16 PM   #24
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We'll know for certain if we start catching fish with more than two eyes or an extra set of fins...
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Old 11-08-2013, 07:38 PM   #25
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I eat lots of Walleye out of the Mult Channel. I eat fish from the Pacific to cleanse myself.
No kidding....Those Willeye will turn you into a nightlight.
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Old 11-10-2013, 08:15 AM   #26
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As someone that has worked in the commercial and DOE nuclear industry all of their life (25+ years) - specifically in the radiation protection field, I can give my opinion and tell you that I have absolutely no concern. The amount of contamination coming from Fukishima has been diluted to such a level that there is not enough present to even measure with the instruments that we use for people.

We have people at the labs taking fish and game samples year round (great job if you can get it..) Not to point you in another direction, but when someone has a potential detectable body count the question is "Do you eat a lot of wild game?", because they animals eating plants that grow in soil contaminated with fall out specifically suck up Cesium. The older the animal, the more of the contaminant is found in it.

Where are the fish swimming and where are the bait fish that they eat swimming? Alaska, not so bad. Laps around the Pacific, probably not as good.

I am much more concerned, as others have mentioned, with the chemicals emitted/dumped into the river by industries on the lower Columbia/Willamette than Fukishima or leaking tanks. Which, BTW, are only a small part of the contamination leaking toward the river at Hanford. They say that there is only one, but it's irrelevant with all of the dump sites and general practices that were used when the reactors ran out here.

Bottom line is that you hunt or fish and if you want to eat it then that's your choice. You could never accumulate enough of a body burden (uptake) to cause a fraction of a percent of additional increase in your chances to contract a cancer of any type.

Just an opinion. My head is way above the sand. I just happen to be a so called 'expert' in the field of protecting people from the hazards of ionizing radiation. If you'd like me to run a sample from your specific fish caught in a specific location then I can probably do that if it would make you feel better - we can compare it to the human standards, not 'if' it can be detected because with the right counting system you can find a variety of radionuclides in any living thing due to past nuclear testing and accidents.

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Old 11-10-2013, 09:07 AM   #27
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Didn't the Japanese open the doors again at the plant on Thursday? I heard the radiation was so strong that the robots they sent in were burning up after a short period of time. Those rods need to be accounted for before they burn further through the protected concrete and into the earths crust.

More reports of Blue fin contaminates....man, I hope the Storm that pasted through there last week hasn't affected the operation.
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Old 11-10-2013, 09:17 AM   #28
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Interesting information comparing Fukushima to Chernobyl:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...lear_accidents

All I can say is that after seeing the Chernobyl Diaries, I'm not taking any kind of second rate charter boat captained by a guy named Uri tuna fishing!
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Old 11-10-2013, 09:25 AM   #29
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Fukushima's radiation
Asteroid hitting earth
Colossal volcano in Yellowstone
Great West Coast earthquake
Financial meltdown of the world's economy
Terrorism on our homeland
Liberal takeover of the government
Tea Party takeover of our government
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Old 11-10-2013, 09:48 AM   #30
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Some of the items on that list are credible threats.. Fallout from reactors that partially melted fuel in 2011 is not. There are so many other things that 'could' harm (noted on the list) you but this is not one of them. The fuel (rods) is all accounted for - it's partially melted in the bottom or the reactor and some of it even went out into the environment.

It's not going anywhere for a while. Many companies from around the world have proposed methods to remove the damaged fuel and safely store it outside of the building. They're still working through the details - not like you want to go rushing into this type of thing. After all, they are still building the structure that will 'permanently' cover Chernobyl, and we're nearly 30 years past that accident.

Robots, and more often cameras, that are not specifically made for the environment that they are going to be exposed to will fail. Put it into any high electro-magnetic field and it will fail even faster. Several soviet robots have done tours and transmitted dose rates throughout the facility. They have plenty of experience building machines that can handle the radiation. Robots are used because people are susceptible to the same radiation. This is a good thing.. Even the cameras made for vessel inspections (while spent fuel is nearby) are damaged if you get them too close.

It's just not worth your time or energy to think about it. Enjoy your time on the water and the associated catch.
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Old 11-10-2013, 11:01 AM   #31
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I love it!
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We should me more concerned about the leaking storage tanks at Hanford....
Exactly, thank you.

I'll worry about the Fukushima splinter in my thumb as soon as I get the Hanford log outta my eye!
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Old 11-10-2013, 02:27 PM   #33
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Less worried about the radiation issues than lets say eating something out of the Willamette or Columbia river?
But then at my age - not a lot is going to change.

Hear Nuclear capacity is being brought up again ( Heard it on the radio not sure what station)- as they are finding that Solar and wind are too erratic for long term solutions. So now they are estimating how many nuclear reactors we now need since they do not like coal plants and dams.
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