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Old 08-14-2013, 03:55 PM   #1
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Check you the Bonneville Dam count. For the last six days the count of steelhead averaged 6500. Yesterday it fell to 900. That is a lot of steelhead missing. Also Chinook count fell by more than half.

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I noticed that. To be expected
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I noticed that. To be expected
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:08 PM   #4
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I always thought at times they "averaged"....tomorrow will probably be higher than "average"
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Couldn't be the nets.
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Couldn't be the nets.
Nope, notta chance...
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:22 PM   #7
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Fish counter fell asleep
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I noticed that earlier almost made a post about it but i figured they are just doing some sort of work on the dam that probably affected the fish ladders. I noticed some numbers that were alot different than normal on the usace page that has all the flow info for bonneville.
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Old 08-14-2013, 04:25 PM   #9
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saw em pulling nets last night around 9:30ish below the fishery.
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The netters have told us time and time again that their 4 1/2 x 4 1/2 (they call the 9 inch) nets don't catch steelhead. BS
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The netters have told us time and time again that their 4 1/2 x 4 1/2 (they call the 9 inch) nets don't catch steelhead. BS
And these nets also caught the adult and jack chinook as well as the shad?
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Old 08-14-2013, 05:04 PM   #12
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Wild steelhead count went down to 300! Do the gill neters get to keep the steelhead that get caught in those gill nets? Illegal activities going on for sure. Gill nets going in these next two weeks, thats BS.
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Old 08-14-2013, 05:04 PM   #13
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Should be seeing some dead sturgeon on the banks soon
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Old 08-14-2013, 05:17 PM   #14
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80% of the steelhead we have been catching upstream of the nets are 5-7lb brats and lots and lots have net marks all over them. I know this happens every year and we know what to expect but seeing it day in day out first hand really makes you think.... how many large fish "we" are taking out of the gene pool with these nets, sure some get by sure... but overall its more and more smaller fish every year.
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Old 08-14-2013, 05:18 PM   #15
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Steelies gotta be stacking somewhere cold below the dam, Im expecting a huge spike!
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Old 08-14-2013, 07:47 PM   #16
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Old 08-14-2013, 08:29 PM   #18
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So you guys are saying that in a single nine hour season the nets caught three quarters of everything in the river...including what was laying up in the closed area above Beacon Rock.....

There should be absolutely NOTHING after tonight's session....
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Not sure if anyone noticed but it but today's numbers weren't posted til much later int he day. Probably a mistake.
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I believe they only counted one side. They will probably fix it in a day or two.
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Old 08-14-2013, 08:53 PM   #21
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80% of the steelhead we have been catching upstream of the nets are 5-7lb brats and lots and lots have net marks all over them. I know this happens every year and we know what to expect but seeing it day in day out first hand really makes you think.... how many large fish "we" are taking out of the gene pool with these nets, sure some get by sure... but overall its more and more smaller fish every year.
They have been very small the last few yrs. not sure why they let em wipe out the big b run fish. Pretty messed up. Glad we get to support their new fishery and not be aloud to fish it !!!
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Old 08-14-2013, 08:59 PM   #22
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Doesn't make sense to me...
It may not make sense, but I believe it ... was out on Sunday (along with 40 or so other boats near me) and it was dead! It was like someone just turned off the faucet.
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It may not make sense, but I believe it ... was out on Sunday (along with 40 or so other boats near me) and it was dead! It was like someone just turned off the faucet.
I've been out everyday plunking below bonneville for the past two weeks with the exception of today. Seems like since Friday it has been dead with only a handful of fish being caught and very few bell ringers. I could see the numbers being cut in half but from 9 k a day going over to several hundred in a weeks time leaves me at a bit of a loss of words. Maybe the suquester has finaly caught up to us...
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Old 08-14-2013, 09:48 PM   #24
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I believe they only counted one side. They will probably fix it in a day or two.
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Old 08-14-2013, 09:48 PM   #25
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So would heading above the dam for this friday/weekend even be worth it?

Hijack alert: where are zones 4, 5, and 6? It's like the DFW's don't want to make the netting schedules easy to find or understand....
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The Bonneville dam counts are super encouraging news to me! Get ready for the rodeo that has begun!
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Old 08-15-2013, 07:26 AM   #27
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What does the above have to do with this post? Anyway, the fish count numbers looking better. Must've been a partial count on Tuesday I hope!
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The numbers have been fixed.
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Old 08-15-2013, 08:39 AM   #29
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Does anyone know why the counts over The Dalles dam have been so poor? Do we have a thermal block happening? The counts over bonneville have been good but they just don't seem to be heading over the dalles. Usually a spike at bonneville will show up at the dalles a day or two later but this year has been pretty flat at the dalles for the exception of one day hitting above 2000.
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Old 08-15-2013, 08:45 AM   #30
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Bonneville14-aug-2013Fall222279833813624546472100216898413575681047121.8ProjectDateChinook RunChinookChinook 10YearAvgJack ChinookJack Chinook 10YearAvgSteelheadSteelhead 10YearAvgWild SteelheadWild Steelhead 10YearAvgSockeyeSockeye 10YearAvgCohoCoho 10YearAvgJack CohoShadShad 10YearAvgLampreyLPSBull TroutTempCBonnevilleTotal 1/1/2013 - 08/14/20131919062365066251739329136889186951675907050918544017761888177113750699286310521227
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Bonneville14-aug-2013Fall222279833813624546472100216898413575681047121.8ProjectDateChinook RunChinookChinook 10YearAvgJack ChinookJack Chinook 10YearAvgSteelheadSteelhead 10YearAvgWild SteelheadWild Steelhead 10YearAvgSockeyeSockeye 10YearAvgCohoCoho 10YearAvgJack CohoShadShad 10YearAvgLampreyLPSBull TroutTempCBonnevilleTotal 1/1/2013 - 08/14/20131919062365066251739329136889186951675907050918544017761888177113750699286310521227


well that didn't turn out the way I wanted it to. But 2222 chinook over the dam yesterday and the 10 year average is 798.
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And these nets also caught the adult and jack chinook as well as the shad?
The corrected count notwithstanding, I stand by my statement that "9 inch" nets kill steelhead.

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well that didn't turn out the way I wanted it to. But 2222 chinook over the dam yesterday and the 10 year average is 798.
And idiot management gives the sportsmen a one fish daily......
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The corrected count notwithstanding, I stand by my statement that "9 inch" nets kill steelhead.

Actually it looks like the nets just marked them up and you killed them.

Nice catch though.
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:02 AM   #35
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If you check the ladder by ladder counts at:
http://www.nwp.usace.army.mil/Missio...Fish/Data.aspx

you will see that they had just posted the counts for the Bradford Island ladder (Oregon side) yesterday and now they have the counts updated for both the Oregon and Washington ladders. There were a bunch of other missing counts yesterday as well which makes it look like the Corps of Engineers was just having some computer problems with getting the counts posted.
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The numbers have been updated/fixed.
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Old 08-15-2013, 10:22 AM   #37
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Does anyone know why the counts over The Dalles dam have been so poor? Do we have a thermal block happening? The counts over bonneville have been good but they just don't seem to be heading over the dalles. Usually a spike at bonneville will show up at the dalles a day or two later but this year has been pretty flat at the dalles for the exception of one day hitting above 2000.
That's exactly what creates the dynamo fishery in the trib mouths in the Bonneville pool. They just keep piling in and only a small percentage are leaving.
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The corrected count notwithstanding, I stand by my statement that "9 inch" nets kill steelhead.

What's funny is those steelhead may be marked by a Gillnet, but guess what! They didn't die until you snagged it with your hook! Not every fish dies that get tangled in a net, you guys are so misinformed its unreal.
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That is clearly a picture of Indian caught fish, I'm guessing at the char burger parking lot in cascade locks? The steelhead has an adipose fin, and looks like it hung in a net in 70* water for most of the day.
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That is clearly a picture of Indian caught fish, I'm guessing at the char burger parking lot in cascade locks? The steelhead has an adipose fin, and looks like it hung in a net in 70* water for most of the day.
what size nets do the indians use this time of year?
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What's funny is those steelhead may be marked by a Gillnet, but guess what! They didn't die until you snagged it with your hook! Not every fish dies that get tangled in a net, you guys are so misinformed its unreal.
That is one ugly fish. But that being said I landed a 5 lb steely yesterday on the lower cr. that looked like it had been hit by a train. ( net marks everywhere) the fish was only about 2 in wide by 3 inch girth. Pretty sure the nets are tearing these fish up. At least hook and line they have a fighting chance.
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That is one ugly fish. But that being said I landed a 5 lb steely yesterday on the lower cr. that looked like it had been hit by a train. ( net marks everywhere) the fish was only about 2 in wide by 3 inch girth. Pretty sure the nets are tearing these fish up. At least hook and line they have a fighting chance.
It didn't die until you hooked and killed it tho
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That is clearly a picture of Indian caught fish,
Winner. Below McNary 2012. 4 1/2 x 4 1/2 inch net. Sold at the ramp. The point here being "9 inch" nets kill steelhead.

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Winner. Below McNary 2012. 4 1/2 x 4 1/2 inch net. Sold at the ramp. The point here being "9 inch" nets kill steelhead.
What makes you thinks the Indians were using 9" at the time they harvested the steelhead?
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What makes you thinks the Indians were using 9" at the time they harvested the steelhead?
Perhaps because the nets are sitting right next to pile of fish. At least that's what I see. Past the dam on the WA side.
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Perhaps because the nets are sitting right next to pile of fish. At least that's what I see. Past the dam on the WA side.
Well if the nets are sitting next to the fish that must mean they aren't being used, the tribes leave there nets in the water for days and just pick the nets when the think they need to be cleaned out. While they are selling their fish they are also catching fish. They can leave there net unattended. Unlike us. And we can't use set nets like they can.
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What makes you thinks the Indians were using 9" at the time they harvested the steelhead?
What makes you think the Indians can't speak English?
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Well if the nets are sitting next to the fish that must mean they aren't being used, the tribes leave there nets in the water for days and just pick the nets when the think they need to be cleaned out. While they are selling their fish they are also catching fish. They can leave there net unattended. Unlike us. And we can't use set nets like they can.
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Well if the nets are sitting next to the fish that must mean they aren't being used, the tribes leave there nets in the water for days and just pick the nets when the think they need to be cleaned out. While they are selling their fish they are also catching fish. They can leave there net unattended. Unlike us. And we can't use set nets like they can.
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You can go anywhere they fish and buy fish at the boat ramp. Do you think those fish get counted in the creel census?
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Whatever the regulations tell them to use.
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Now that's funny.
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Check you the Bonneville Dam count. For the last six days the count of steelhead averaged 6500. Yesterday it fell to 900. That is a lot of steelhead missing. Also Chinook count fell by more than half.

I happened to be anchored across from steamboat landing and noticed several steelhead floating down the river...they appeared fresh and the gulls were feasting. I counted fifteen (15) kill net boats docked at Parker
and several boats staging in the parking lot.

Kill netters responsible? You be the judge!

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Whatever the regulations tell them to use.
just wondering how the tribes can catch steelhead in their nets but the lower river guys don't seem to catch any..or so they say.
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just wondering how the tribes can catch steelhead in their nets but the lower river guys don't seem to catch any..or so they say.
Different size mesh! Tribes can target steelhead!
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All the above picture PROVES is that someone has a couple dead fish that had been netted.

It does not prove:

That they were dead when removed. That they were caught in nine inch mesh. That they were caught while targeting Chinook. That all, most, or even very many of the steelhead that encountered that net were caught and/or killed in that net.

So, by all means let's use that pic in the current debate over lower river gillnetting.

But then, if the elections of Presidents of the US can be influenced through the use of biased, incomplete, irrelevant, and deliberately misleading information.......
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Salmon whacker you have a lot to learn son... Poor argument...
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It didn't die until you hooked and killed it tho
i didn't say I killed it. Killa
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