Spinner making

[Mrdorkfish]

My question is about how the hook trails, Which is best?? Or does it matter?? I caught lots of fish on spinners i made last year with fixed hooks..tubing holding it out...I have made some beautiful spinners with the tubing on the hook shank..and a loose hook. I'm thinking that if there is enough current to make the blade spin that the hook should trail properly. What do you think?? :whazzup: Bent?? ******?? Any spinner Guru's ??

MrDorkfish [img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img]

Louis

[Mrdorkfish]

OH ! Also,this is for anchor fishing or trolling only, (unweighted)..not casting spinners. Just had to clarify. [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img]

MrDorkfish [img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img]

Louis

[WheresMyBobber]

I always have the hook fixed straight behind the spinner, no matter what the current, trolling or anchored. Better hookup ratio in my experience. I keep some bread wrapper ties in my tackle box in case I'm fishing with a store bought spinner that has a "loose" hook. I use the bread tie to wire the hook straight - and it's easy to straighten out or replace after a fish mangles it.

[freespool]

I think the hook needs to be rigid. So I run the wire through the hook eye then down between the trebles and back through the hook eye and twist. You couldn't pull the hook off with a D8 cat. Also this makes tuning the spinner very easy.


salmon hugger

This pattern and spinner, with blade color and bead color variations has killed many, many fish
Louis.

Steelhead and Salmon on the anchor in good current.

Rick

[Ragnar]

I'll concur on ******'s spinner there. That's a good'un.
Freespool, I used to do the whole wrap the wire down through and under the treble and back up through it again like you're talking there (this was how I was taught). Through experience, I have found that sometimes that when a fish pulls on that hook, it then puts pressure (like a wedge) in between those bends, thus breaking at the soldered joint. I lost some pretty nice fish that way. Since then, I have started tieing my spinners up just going through the eye and back up, then adding the tubing to keep it strait back.
Just adding in my experience.
Hope this helps.
Ragnar

The one I posted is not "mine." It's an off the shelf spinner that really works, just ask FM, "Mr. Flash Glo." :grin:

Some of my favorite homemade ones are similar though. :smile: I guess my advice is don't use too big of a hook for the spinner so it runs straight and use tubing when applicable. Get Bent probably has a word or two on the "rigid" hook thing.

[Mrdorkfish]

Thanks everyone 5-cents, I was having a few balance problems with some spinners even with the tubing holding it back..that's just a flaw in the production [img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img] Mis-aligned eyes, I now have a nice gadjet that makes almost flawless bends. ******, hearing again about the Flash-n-glow makes me think that the tubing holding the hook out is not so necessary. Freespool that sounds like a very sturdy spinner...all great ideas :smile: All of the "NEW" spinners will have the tubing on the shanks, so i can have it both ways :grin: The summer Chinook went bonkers for the one i made last year with the blood red beads and 4.5 nickel Colorado blade.. It resembled the flash-n-glow. Thanks gentlemen I will experiment and definatley keep those interested informed.

MrDorkfish [img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img]

Louis

[Get Bent]

heres my 2 cents
first of all you are all corect in a way
1 you dont need tubing
2 you get better hook ups with tubing
3 shaft wobbel at the hook is bad
4 shaft wobble at the top not bad
5 color 25%
6 vibration 75% they feel it long befor the see it

the way the spinner is built is a major deal
1 having your hook match your blade
2 using the corect style blade for water speed
3 make sure your shaft wire is long enough
when you build a spinner make sure your wire is at least 3/4 to 1 inch above your clevis you dont know how many fish swim up pick up your spinner feel the blade and let go if your wire is a little longer its a good chance the fish will find the hook
one more thing when you find a blade that catches fish hang on to that blade its 75% of the reason your catching fish i throw away 100s of blades a year if they dont catch fish change it

dont get me wrong there are many ways to build a spinner this is what i have found out from many hours of fishing spinners and some Priddy Good advise from one of the best spinner fisherman i know
any ? email me

[Laserman]

I fish spinners exclusivly about 90 days a year (trolling only) and do alot of experimenting. I found that about 90% of the time you need to have the hook straight back to get the fish to take the hook along with the spinner on the stike. Some days it does'nt make a diffrence due to aggressivness of the fish but other times the fish grabs the spinning blade and misses the hook. This especially happens when the fish comes up behind the lure and just nips at it. You can tell this is happening when you get several quick hit and when you set into the fish its hooked on the edge of the mouth or slightly under the chin. When this happens I make changes in my presentation.
On video monitors (anchor fishing)I have seen the fish target just the hook on the spinner, at times like this the hooking part comes easy. If you ever get a chance, get a hold of some underwater fishing video. You get a fishes prospective of things.

[5-Cents]

Another thing you need to consider Louis is that if the hook is not fixed the spinner will be out of balance causing the blade not to work properly.

[Get Bent]

One more thing wiith springer getting close
COPPER AND RED WILL MAKE A SPRINGER DEAD #4 CASCADE :grin:

[Mrdorkfish]

Thanks Scott, I'm taking it all in

MrDorkfish [img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img]

Louis

[Fishing With Larry]

Hey Guys, I have made several self guided float trips to Alaska where I have made 200-300 spinners for the trip ranging from small grayling spinners to chinook and coho spinners and never used a fixed hook on stream spinners where I am casting and retrieving and can control the blade and hook trail. All of my Chinook spinners that I plunk for Springers or troll for fall fish, are fished fixed for the reason that the troll is a lot slower and the hook is larger and heavier. I think that the speed of retrieve is the most important issue. My opinion.

[FishinMission]

Louis...I'v always used the tubing when building my own spinners...but what ****** said about the Flash Glos is tru...There doesn't seem to be a problem hooking fish without the "tubing".

Mark

Priddy easy, actually. :shocked: :grin:

Priddy good quote. Where did ya' get that one?

[ 12-31-2003, 09:56 AM: Message edited by: ****** ]

[Mrdorkfish]

I think so far i've gotten some "Priddy" good advice :grin: Laserman, I don't think i'm trying to use someone else's technique....just wondering bout the hook set-up. My go to lure for Summer Chinook was the blood red bead nickel blade and red tubing....early Fall Chinook was a fluted blue tip rainbow with blue beads and a gold #1 VMC hook,transparent orange tubing. Mr. Bent, I've had good luck matching up the #1 or even #2 hook with a 4 blade...I heard early concerns about how small the hook was until that person landed a few. Springers are the next one to get on a spinner.... I will try Mr. bents advice with the copper blade but i've got some Willow's in gold and chartruse tip or white with green tip,green bead.. Colorado's ready to try out.. I won't be denied springers on a blade :tongue:

Thanks Men,

MrDorkfish [img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img]

Louis

[freespool]

Have not experienced any spinner failure. I use .032 wire and VMC,Mustad or Owner hooks. If my memory serves me correct,Get Bent watched me bulldog a 30lb springer at the garbage hole,due to shad monkey low holers.


salmon hugger

[ 01-01-2004, 05:27 PM: Message edited by: freespool ]

[WheresMyBobber]

[ 01-01-2004, 05:40 AM: Message edited by: WheresMyBobber ]

[Laserman]

The right way to build a spinner should always be left up to the fish to decide. If you have a particlar spinner that catches fish well, make small changes to your design and see if it improves your strike percetage.

Experiment,experiment and than experiment more.

The lure is not the only thing to consider, your presentation is just as important.

THINK while your fishing; instead of tring to copy someone elses technique, develope your own way to approach things. It will make you more successful, I promise.

[Get Bent]

BULLDOGED UNDERSTATEMENT

WARN COULD NOT HAVE WINCHED THAT IN ANY BETTER

YOU DID PRIDDY GOOD

[FishinMission]

Louis...That spinner that ****** posted (only with the stainless blade) accounted for 44 springers in 13 trips in the Mission boat, just a bit upriver from where you like to fish.

Mark

:grin:

[freespool]

FM

[ 01-02-2004, 10:11 AM: Message edited by: freespool ]

You mean FM on that one.

I catch a few on mine.

[Laserman]

Sorry Mrdorkfish, I was not implying that you copy other peoples techinques (I do not believe I know you)it was just a general statement. I just feel my own fishing sucess is greater when I follow my own game plan and JUST FISH SMART.

[Mrdorkfish]

Laserman, No need to apologize...i know what you're say'n, :smile: I have already had success with my own lures/colors/sizes, All of them have tubing and hold straight back...the new ones i've made have the tubing but it's still on the shank of the hook...i want to try them and see how or if it effects the operation/spinning... and was just seeking any advice on the matter... I can't wait to get out...if this weather ever calms down. I'm not gonna drag a boat around in the snow. Thanks :smile:

MrDorkfish [img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img]

Louis

[Laserman]

For all thoses people who use flouresent tubing. Hit the tubing on its size with a bright light than look at the end of the tubing. It will look like it is glowing. Could this be one of the keys?