Upper Columbia & Tributaries

Lund · 04-16-2003, 05:15 PM

We all know that we cannot fish above I-5 on the CR. But why is that?

To protect wild Spring Salmon headed to the Snake, Kilickitat, White salmon,Hood River, Yakima, Umatilla, Clearwater, And several other rivers not listed here.

Now stop and think for a minute. Most of these rivers are open to fishing for Spring Salmon & some allow you to KILL Native Spring Chinook.

Why not close these rivers that have a few Native Spring salmon left, or at lest stop the kill of native fish on them, ............ AND.......

RE-OPEN THE WHOLE COLUMBIA RIVER!!!!!!!!!!

We can't forget about all the Native Springs that get killed every year in the Indians nets above Bonn.

We should stop all Gill netting Period. Buy all the permits from all netters and..........

Allow them to go to the fish ladders at Bonn/Dalles etc. and take the allotment of(HACHERY) salmon they are granted. This would put little effect on the Native Springs left in the System.

anyone with any input?

[ 04-16-2003, 06:16 PM: Message edited by: lund ]

boater · 04-16-2003, 05:57 PM

i was just reading this notice , looks like the netters are going back in ?

norms gone fishing too · 04-16-2003, 06:19 PM

accourd to wat i read it as of now only the net pen fish in the astoria area will be netted and no other season at this time but that will change i'm shur

Mojo · 04-16-2003, 06:51 PM

Lund,
What you are suggesting is that us Idahoans, who's hatcheries produce about half of the fish that will eventually cross Bonneville (I got that figure by looking at the last 4 years worth of fish returns from Columbia River DART)should not be able to fish for them. Why is that? You think that I should have to go to Oregon, buy an out of state license, and tag, to fish for salmon that are the product of hatcheries my tax dollars pay for. Interesting theory.

Lund · 04-16-2003, 07:29 PM

Mojo,

Look carefully at what I wrote

Close the rivers that have a few natives or make them relealse all natives in those rivers.. I didn't say to close all the rivers.

We have a good native run of springers on the Macinzie, and can fish for hachery fish all year. Its catch and release on the natives.

cannonball · 04-16-2003, 08:21 PM

Clue me in please, where is it permitted to keep a wild spring fish?

Perhaps the powers that be have it all wrong. Perhaps we should not fish the columbia at all and only fish within tributaries that hold a healty hatchery population and COMPLETLY leave endangered fish unhandled.

Remember those years the spring fishery was completly closed. the system is not perfect but we do get to fish in some areas and hopefully preserve endangered runs.

[ 04-16-2003, 09:39 PM: Message edited by: cannonball ]

Lund · 04-16-2003, 08:27 PM

Klickitat was 1 fish last year & don't think new regs are out yet for this year. As for the others, ?

My point is to make the restrictions on the rivers that have the majority of native fish. If that be Klickitat or whatever.

cannonball · 04-17-2003, 04:54 AM

Sorry about the rant Lund, I forgot about the wind and drano and thier unclipped hatchery fish. It will be nice when they clip the brats there.

We are all part of the solution as well as part of the problem.

Mojo · 04-17-2003, 05:47 AM

I mis-interpreted what you said. The Snake, Salmon, and Clearwater have all been catch and release only for wild fish, for many years. I am sorry I didn't get your meaning.

I do agree with you about the gill netting thing. The local Tribes do not use gill nets. At least I've never seen one on our rivers. You know, in Idaho the Tribes concentrate their effort on areas that have mostly hatchery fish. As a matter of fact the new hatcheries built by the Nez Perce tribe should have us fishing for Fall 'Nooks in a couple of years (something that I've never seen in my lifetime).

Let the Tribes use fishwheels. That way they can be selective about which fish they harvest.

boater · 04-17-2003, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cannonball:
Sorry about the rant Lund, I forgot about the wind and drano and thier unclipped hatchery fish. It will be nice when they clip the brats there.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">i`m sure the gillnetters are looking forward to them comming back clipped also

steelies_R_US · 04-17-2003, 08:05 PM

The klickitat is open for retention of unclipped fish but that is due to the fact that they do not clip fins and it is only open for 3 days a week. The Yakima on the other hand is not even going to open this year due to low returns. Im sure that would be a great idea to kill the few fish we are getting back this year down river and therefor kill the only chance we have a getting a sustainable run going again. I think that it is a good thing wdfw and odfw is doing making sure that we have fish for years to come !!

Ty · 04-18-2003, 08:45 AM

Word of caution if the Drano is open to the retention of unclipped fish. According to an ongoing five year radio telemetry study by the University of Idaho, 2/3 of the summer steelhead going up the Columbia stop in and hang out in Drano Lake. That study also showed that Springer pass single dam up to 14 times under certian flow regimes. Also keep this in mind for the fish counts and the actual accuracy if fish are getting counted more than once.

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