Gill netters

iwanttofish · 12-14-2003, 03:18 PM

:whazzup: Can anyone tell me how much the gill netters put into the hatchery system for the upkeep compared to the sportsman. In todays paper it was making reference to the american right to have gill nets in the river.

AMERICAN RIGHT. With the amount of fish that the nets get and the amount that die it does not seem right. In the paper it also talked about possibly reducing sturgeon to 5 per year.

Full Freezer · 12-14-2003, 03:47 PM

You know! The American right to ****, pillage & destroy what ever we want, whenever we want regardless of future consequences! Sure! Let's just keep netting away till there is nothing left.

Sounds brilliant.

Oly Angler · 12-15-2003, 08:25 PM

I am not sure about gill netting being an "American Right" but actual gill nets (8") have a mortality rate of about 50% and tangle nets (4 1/4") came in at 25%. Since the "American Way" sometimes consists of not properly utilizing resources to their fullest, maybe there could be an argument made. As for the sturgeon, I believe that the limit is now 5 for the C.R. as it will allow for more open time during the year.

Rakkasan · 12-15-2003, 08:36 PM

OLy Angler,

Sounds like you have set a few nets. Got the old mesh sizes down it sounds like. Commercial in Bristol Bay here. You think it is bad here. Go up to Alaska. I persoanly think it sucks putting nets in, however I can understand both sides. I am not going to waste my time fighting over gill netters. I want too, however it will get no where. How many years has this same complaint gone on in the NW.

Any old timers know? I am asking how far back you can remember?

Just curious.

Silver One · 12-15-2003, 09:36 PM

Suppose my neighbor who is a taxpayer and therefor contributes to hatcheries either through increased electric rates (federal BPA dollars)or through license fees (he fishes) wants the opportunity to eat a columbia river springer. He doesn't have a boat or the time to catch one. If the gilnetters aren't gilnetting and the Indians aren't selling is he SOL? Does he have any claim for "Taxation without representation"? Should he be taxed for something he has no practical access to? Just wondering?

finclipped · 12-16-2003, 06:01 AM

Silver One, does he have the right to go fishing and try to catch a springer? I think everyone does. If he doesn't have a boat, hire one of many fine guides who will catch a fish for him.

Full Freezer · 12-16-2003, 07:09 AM

Silver One. Since I don't hunt, where would I go if I wanted to eat Bear meat? What if I had a fancy for elk, moose or goat??

If they want to sell the fish to people who don't like to fish, then LET THEM UTILIZE A MEANS OF HARVEST THAT DOES NOT KILL UNTARGETED SPECIES! It does not have to be nets!

Get the nets out.

Oly Angler · 12-16-2003, 08:36 AM

DS Rods,

The reason for the knowledge of the net sizes and mortalities is that I am intimately involved in the C.R. springer issue on the sports side. Also, I have not been on a commercial boat, only seen the data. I would prefer to see the commercials use a more conservation minded way to obtain their catch. However, with the fish farms that are becoming such a booming business, gill/tangle netting is becoming more of an expensive hobby rather than a viable business. Besides the commercial fleet in the C.R. only made $925,000 compared to the sports fishery's approximately $17 mil or so (with leaving 22% of the impacts on the table in 2003). As for the desire for a springer at a restaurant, with the small numbers caught in the 2003 fishery, it would be a surprise if one could reliably get one in a restaurant.

cosmo · 12-16-2003, 08:58 AM

SIlver One,
Your neighbor could certainly buy a spring chinook from one of the terminal areas at Young's Bay, Blind Slough or Tongue Point. People like to forget these GILL NET fisheries exist...and will for a long time.

Great point FF.

fish assassin · 12-16-2003, 08:58 AM

Ocean troll caught fish are better ... they are of a higher quality than gill net
caught fish. Trollers also do not have near the bycatch rate as any net types and
are better able to target the type of fish they want to catch. Oregon Ocean Troll
caught fish are availible from the middle of March through the end of October (fresh)
and year around (frozen).

REAL men don't eat farm raised salmon ... :grin: :grin:

-assAssin-

corrirod · 12-16-2003, 09:08 AM

I'm with FA! :tongue: [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

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