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Old 01-30-2012, 11:31 AM   #1
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Establishes credit against income taxes in compensation for livestock killed by predators.
Applies to tax years beginning on or after January 1, 2012.
Takes effect on 91st day following adjournment sine die.

(b) 'Predator' means a predatory fur-bearing mammal belonging to a species that is listed as a threatened species or an endangered species pursuant to the federal Endangered Species Act of 1973 or ORS 496.171 to 496.182.

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This bill is scheduled for a public hearing and possible work session today at 1pm.
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Seems fair to me, the hard part is going to be getting the certificates of cause of death.
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What good does a tax credit do when you do not have the tax load to use it?
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House Committee on Agriculture and Natural Resources
Date: Tuesday-February 7
Time: 1:00 P.M.
Room: HR D

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HB 4005 Establishes credit against income taxes in compensation for livestock killed by predators.
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SUMMARY

Establishes credit against income taxes in compensation for livestock killed by predators.
Applies to tax years beginning on or after January 1, 2012.
Takes effect on 91st day following adjournment sine die.

(b) 'Predator' means a predatory fur-bearing mammal belonging to a species that is listed as a threatened species or an endangered species pursuant to the federal Endangered Species Act of 1973 or ORS 496.171 to 496.182.
great another special interest tax subsidy. no thanks.
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great another special interest tax subsidy. no thanks.
It is not a subsidy when it is to pay for damage caused by a public resource.
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It is not a subsidy when it is to pay for damage caused by a public resource.
of course it is. predators exist and this small group of people want to be paid when it impacts them negatively. SUBSIDY. buy insurance if you want to protect your assets
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of course it is. predators exist and this small group of people want to be paid when it impacts them negatively. SUBSIDY. buy insurance if you want to protect your assets
Wolves are not the same. If you want wolves you should have to pay for the damage they cause on private land.

Attitudes like this will force ranchers to do illegal things to protect what their family has built over several generations.
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Wolves are not the same. If you want wolves you should have to pay for the damage they cause on private land.

Attitudes like this will force ranchers to do illegal things to protect what their family has built over several generations.
No, those people will do what they re going to do. My opinion is my opinion.

I have insurance to protect my property from damage and I don't get a subsidy from the government. IMO Wolves are the same. Every subisidy starts with a special interest making a good case for it and once it is created it is sacrosanct. I for one don't want to pay for any more subsidies for special interest groups.
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No, those people will do what they re going to do. My opinion is my opinion.

I have insurance to protect my property from damage and I don't get a subsidy from the government. IMO Wolves are the same
Wolves were reintroduced, coyotes and lion weren't. The "subsidy" is to those that want wolves and is far more $ than a tax break (that may or may not be usable) for the loss of a valuable animal.

I don't like the idea of a tax break, I would much rather see ranchers allowed to shoot ANY wolf they find on their land. The wolves that are smart and stay on public land should be left be until their numbers require reducing.
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exactly. they were REintroduced. They should not have been eradicated in the first place, and hence, I should not have to subsidize a rancher if nature strikes. that is what insurance is for
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exactly. they were REintroduced. They should not have been eradicated in the first place, and hence, I should not have to subsidize a rancher if nature strikes. that is what insurance is for
We can't change the past.

You want wolves you pay for the dammage they cause ON PRIVATE LAND. Public land is ours and I say let a few wolves share it with us.
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We subsidize many farmers and ranchers everyday, with reduced property tax rates.
Farming is a highly subsidized industry.

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You want wolves you pay for the dammage they cause ON PRIVATE LAND. Public land is ours and I say let a few wolves share it with us.
of course we can, in fact that is what is happening with the reintroduction of wolves. Just because we screwed it up before is no excuse. If an individual wants to live and play in the habitat of wild animals they need to take responsibility for that decision and not expect the government to pay them when nature happens to them. buy insurance and protest your assets
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On public land. If a land owner does not want wolves on THEIR land they should have the right to remove them.

The real "subsidy" is using hunting license, Pitman-Roberts and Dingle-Johnson funds to help the reintroduction.
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On public land. If a land owner does not want wolves on THEIR land they should have the right to remove them.

The real "subsidy" is using hunting license, Pitman-Roberts and Dingle-Johnson funds to help the reintroduction.
I don't want deer and elk on my land so I should be able to go out and shoot them anytime I see one?

Nuisance animals should be handled appropriately but leaving that in the hands of individual land owners is likely to result in extirpation again.
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I don't want deer and elk on my land so I should be able to go out and shoot them anytime I see one?

Nuisance animals should be handled appropriately but leaving that in the hands of individual land owners is likely to result in extirpation again.
Deer and elk do not kill livestock and educated wolves are hard to hunt and/or trap. In order to educate wolves they should be shot when seen on private land where the owners do not want their livelihood destroyed.

"The People" appearer to support wolves now so lets let the wolves live on The Peoples land. The People should also reimburse ranchers for the damage OUR wolves do, with cash not a tax break.
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Deer and elk do not kill livestock and educated wolves are hard to hunt and/or trap. In order to educate wolves they should be shot when seen on private land where the owners do not want their livelihood destroyed.

"The People" appearer to support wolves now so lets let the wolves live on The Peoples land. The People should also reimburse ranchers for the damage OUR wolves do, with cash not a tax break.
deer and elk destroy crops which are some peoples livelihood. ranches should buy insurance to mitigate their loses not depend on the government to subsidize their choices.

I don't think nor mean to imply that this is a simple problem. Predators are a cost of doing business. Current law is that wolves are returning to where they once were. Business conditions have changed and successful businesses will adjust and survive. Propping up those with government handouts is not a viable long term solution IMO
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deer and elk destroy crops which are some peoples livelihood. ranches should buy insurance to mitigate their loses not depend on the government to subsidize their choices.

I don't think nor mean to imply that this is a simple problem. Predators are a cost of doing business. Current law is that wolves are returning to where they once were. Business conditions have changed and successful businesses will adjust and survive. Propping up those with government handouts is not a viable long term solution IMO
Hunters are allowed to hunt elk and deer. Therefore, we should be able to hunt wolves. You do that ...then we won't need a wolf kill income tax credit.
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Hunters are allowed to hunt elk and deer. Therefore, we should be able to hunt wolves. You do that ...then we won't need a wolf kill income tax credit.
A simple and easy cure.
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Hunters are allowed to hunt elk and deer. Therefore, we should be able to hunt wolves. You do that ...then we won't need a wolf kill income tax credit.
Agree! When there is a sustainable population then tag'em and skin'em. IMO there are groups that will only be happy with eradication and will argue that controlling the numbers doesn't address the nuisance animal issue. So that will not address the subsidy issue.

How many government subsidies get ended, and why isn't there a non-governmental solution to insure your livestock?
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Agree! When there is a sustainable population then tag'em and skin'em. IMO there are groups that will only be happy with eradication and will argue that controlling the numbers doesn't address the nuisance animal issue. So that will not address the subsidy issue.

How many government subsidies get ended, and why isn't there a non-governmental solution to insure your livestock?
The population in North America is substainable.
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I don't want deer and elk on my land so I should be able to go out and shoot them anytime I see one?

Nuisance animals should be handled appropriately but leaving that in the hands of individual land owners is likely to result in extirpation again.
Actually, a depredation program already exists to deal with chronic issues from deer and elk.

If a rancher or farmer can show evidence of crop depredation, ODFW can issue kill permits to the landowner.

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I don't want deer and elk on my land so I should be able to go out and shoot them anytime I see one?

Nuisance animals should be handled appropriately but leaving that in the hands of individual land owners is likely to result in extirpation again.
Unfortunately, that seems to be the mindset of many in the farming/ ranching community. If it doesn't make them a dollar, or it costs them a dollar, then it they should be able to eradicate it.
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Unfortunately, that seems to be the mindset of many in the farming/ ranching community. If it doesn't make them a dollar, or it costs them a dollar, then it they should be able to eradicate it.
You must not know many farmers and ranchers.

The majority of the farmers and ranchers I know love the animals that live on THEIR LAND. The problem is when thousands of geese descend on a winter wheat field or a large herd of elk consumes a high % of their pasture they have to move them or harvest them. A lot of the larger ranches are also leasing hunting rights to bring in some extra income so a healthy game population is to their advantage (I have lost access to places I grew up hunting due to leasing hunting rights and I'm not all that happy about it but it is their land). If farmers and ranchers were as bad as you think we would not see the large number of game animals on the ranches today.

Farmers in the Klamath Basin were one of reasons we now can hunt geese during their northern migration. I also know many farmers and at least one rancher that will not shoot coyotes on their land because they are good rodent and rabbit control.
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A tax credit, when was the last time a rancher or farmer had a profit that required an income tax bill that requires a tax credit?
Look I believe there are certain risks taken with any business and that includes cattle ranching in eastern oregon. Now does the introduction of Wolves up the risks for these cattle ranchers? If it does increase the risk, and the people of Oregon want to reimburse them for their losses, then fine. But I do not believe these ranchers are going to use a tax credit, unless it is a refundable credit.
But if we are going to get into the discussion of benefits and risks associated with running cattle or other livestock in eastern Oregon. We have to talk about the benefit of running their cattle on public lands for next to nothing. Do we reimburse for kills on livestock when the cattle are grazing on public land? And if this becomes part of the discussion, can we as the public, ask for reimbursement from the livestock ranchers for our losses. Losses of wildlife in fences, bighorn sheep to disease, loss of habitat etc. Because if we are going to open this discussion, I think the whole subject should be opened, not just the loss of livestock from wolves.
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We have to talk about the benefit of running their cattle on public lands for next to nothing.
If you feel grazing allotments are going too cheep bid on some of them. You will either run the price higher for the rancher or get to maintain the fences and other infrastructure on "your" lease. Public rangeland is in no way comparable to private rangeland in value and quality.
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If you feel grazing allotments are going too cheep bid on some of them. You will either run the price higher for the rancher or get to maintain the fences and other infrastructure on "your" lease. Public rangeland is in no way comparable to private rangeland in value and quality.
I am sure the price of the public rangeland leases are what the market will bear, but there is benefits to running their cattle on public lands. First of all, they would not be able to run as many cattle without the public land. Their private land simply will not sustain the increased numbers (and their private range would not be in as good as shape as you like to point out). Secondly, they are able to use a public source for a very reasonable price (again set by the market, but the market only includes livestock grazers), and now they also want the benefit that if a wolf kills their cattle on public land, that I should reimburse them. Like I said in my earlier post, if that is what the people of Oregon want is for me to help pay for their losses, then that is what I will do. But if the people of Oregon think this is a risk that the cattle rancher should bear, then the cattle ranchers should bear that cost. In any other business, it would be listed under "costs of goods sold".
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I am sure the price of the public rangeland leases are what the market will bear, but there is benefits to running their cattle on public lands. First of all, they would not be able to run as many cattle without the public land. Their private land simply will not sustain the increased numbers (and their private range would not be in as good as shape as you like to point out). Secondly, they are able to use a public source for a very reasonable price (again set by the market, but the market only includes livestock grazers), and now they also want the benefit that if a wolf kills their cattle on public land, that I should reimburse them. Like I said in my earlier post, if that is what the people of Oregon want is for me to help pay for their losses, then that is what I will do. But if the people of Oregon think this is a risk that the cattle rancher should bear, then the cattle ranchers should bear that cost. In any other business, it would be listed under "costs of goods sold".
Not all Ranchers graze on public land; in fact the majority don't. If the red tape was taken away and the ranchers were allowed to the shoot the wolves on private land threatening livestock then there wouldn't be the need of the tax credit.

When the costs of good sold go up, the costs are then passed to the consumer.
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But if the people of Oregon think this is a risk that the cattle rancher should bear, then the cattle ranchers should bear that cost. In any other business, it would be listed under "costs of goods sold".
Just give the rancher the ability to protect their livestock and livelihood on their land then. Wolves will learn that livestock is not an easy meal and they will move on to safer places, especially if the alpha male or female is the one killed. Oregon is a big state with a lot of public land for our wolves to live on. Land owners should have the ability to shoot them when they are on private land, if the land owner does not want our wolves on their land.
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But I do not believe these ranchers are going to use a tax credit, unless it is a refundable credit.
According to testimony on this bill at the hearing last week, an amendment to the bill will be forthcoming to make it a refundable credit.
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Not all Ranchers graze on public land; in fact the majority don't. If the red tape was taken away and the ranchers were allowed to the shoot the wolves on private land threatening livestock then there wouldn't be the need of the tax credit.

When the costs of good sold go up, the costs are then passed to the consumer.
that how the free market works. government subsidies just get in the way.

nuisance animals should be handled according to a proper management plan
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:24 PM   #35
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Just give the rancher the ability to protect their livestock and livelihood on their land then. Wolves will learn that livestock is not an easy meal and they will move on to safer places, especially if the alpha male or female is the one killed. Oregon is a big state with a lot of public land for our wolves to live on. Land owners should have the ability to shoot them when they are on private land, if the land owner does not want our wolves on their land.
I am sorry to disagree, I guess this is what this thread is all about, but a rancher should not be able to shoot "our" wolves, just like they should not be able to shoot "our" deer, "our" elk, "our" sheep or any other wildlife that they do not specifically have a tag for. If wolves are killing livestock on private land, then the wolf plan calls for the State to hire a trapper to trap and kill the wolves. I understand that the last "kill" order was held up by the courts, but that is day and age that we live in, and neither you or I know how that case will end up.
Your point that wolves will learn that livestock are not easy meals, does not hold water. We have been killing wolves since the begining of time, and wolves have killed livestock since then too. A hungry wolf will kill a cow, or calve even if they have been shot at in the past. Now they will learn to be sneekier and avoid the presense of man, but if you think killing a wolf out of a pack will make them turn off of livestock and stay off of private land, you are sadly mistaken.
Look, I like many other people did not want the wolf to migrate into Oregon, but unfortunately, they did. But I also don't believe giving landowners the right to simply kill a wolf, because it is on private land, and I certainly do believe these livestock ranchers should not have the right to kill a wolf on public land (of course in the absense of a tag). If the wolf, has killed livestock, then trap, the wolf, then decide whether to relocate, or kill it. And if someday, the wolf numbers are there, let's have hunters help with the mangement by hunting them.
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You obviously have never lived around wolves. The wolves we now have have never been harassed and need to be educated. Wolves in my former backyard were almost never seen because when they were they were shot. There is and will always be wolves in the Tongass NF despite their being targets 24/7/365. My daughter and her husband (and soon my grandaughter) shoot wolves on their ranch whenever they can and so far SE British Columbia doesn't have a problem with low wolf numbers. The bighorn and a few moose come down to their place keep from becoming wolf scat.

The deer/elk correlation does not hold water.
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You obviously have never lived around wolves. The wolves we now have have never been harassed and need to be educated. Wolves in my former backyard were almost never seen because when they were they were shot. There is and will always be wolves in the Tongass NF despite their being targets 24/7/365. My daughter and her husband (and soon my grandaughter) shoot wolves on their ranch whenever they can and so far SE British Columbia doesn't have a problem with low wolf numbers. The bighorn and a few moose come down to their place keep from becoming wolf scat.

The deer/elk correlation does not hold water.
You obviously have great passion for this subject. And yes it is true in BC they do shoot wolves on site. They also shoot eagles on site, so does that make it right? What works in BC may or may not work here. All I am saying is ranchers should not have the last word on wolf management in this State. All of us have a stake in the wolf management plan. Us hunters are just as worried about our wild herds as you ranchers are worried about your livestock. Everyone needs a place at the table.
My deer and elk correlation pointed towards ranchers simply are not allowed to kill deer or elk if they are damaging their land. There is a process to solve the problem and that process is not simply shooting the animals. The same is true for wolves. Use the process.
Lastly do not make statements that you know about me. You have no idea what experience I have living with or without wolves. My whole point in all of these posts is that no one group should set the policy or be responsible for the solution for wolves.

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If there were wolves living out my backyard, I would defintely want a say on they are managed. Folks on the Westside of the state don't have to deal with the wolves like the folks on Eastside of the state. I believe the folks on the Eastside of the state should have a greater say...since they are effected. Folks on the westside should have less say on the matter, myself included. And it goes the other way as well.
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Shooting eagles is not good.

The People should have the last word on anything our government does.

We will see much less resistance to having a healthy wolf population in Oregon if those most effected by them are given the right to protect what most have built over several generations. I would also support harsh punishment for those convicted of killing wolves on public land until the time that it is determined that harvest is allowable. Then I will apply for a tag.

Wildlife depredation on crops and pasture can be addressed under current law. It's not so easy when it involves livestock killing wolves. Teach wolves to fear livestock and ranchers and most of the packs will go to safer places to feed.

You are right, I don't know you but some of what you post indicates you have never been around wild wolves or ranchers.
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You must not know many farmers and ranchers.

The majority of the farmers and ranchers I know love the animals that live on THEIR LAND. The problem is when thousands of geese descend on a winter wheat field or a large herd of elk consumes a high % of their pasture they have to move them or harvest them. A lot of the larger ranches are also leasing hunting rights to bring in some extra income so a healthy game population is to their advantage (I have lost access to places I grew up hunting due to leasing hunting rights and I'm not all that happy about it but it is their land). If farmers and ranchers were as bad as you think we would not see the large number of game animals on the ranches today.

Farmers in the Klamath Basin were one of reasons we now can hunt geese during their northern migration. I also know many farmers and at least one rancher that will not shoot coyotes on their land because they are good rodent and rabbit control.
I'm just passing along the impression given to me by most of the ranchers I've met, most of whom I like even if I might not agree with their view of how things should be.
I'm sure they don't want wolves on their property as much as I don't want cows on public property.
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I'm sure they don't want wolves on their property as much as I don't want cows on public property.
There are many places that should not be grazed but there are also places that cattle and wildlife can coexist. Sheep should never be allowed to graze or travel through where they will cross path with wild sheep. Riparian areas and winter range are some of the places that need to be protected. Are you aware that the only water sources on some allotments were due to the rancher? Water sources that benifit both livestock and wildlife.
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There are many places that should not be grazed but there are also places that cattle and wildlife can coexist. Sheep should never be allowed to graze or travel through where they will cross path with wild sheep. Riparian areas and winter range are some of the places that need to be protected. Are you aware that the only water sources on some allotments were due to the rancher? Water sources that benifit both livestock and wildlife.
Sorry, Lee, but we're spinning this WAY off topic. We need to go fishing, so we can discuss the like humans not machines.
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Sorry, Lee, but we're spinning this WAY off topic. We need to go fishing, so we can discuss the like humans not machines.
Yup

The bottom line for most of us, if not all, is thriving wildlife and a clean and healthy place for us to enjoy the outdoors. Wolves will make things interesting, harder but interesting. We don't have to be thrilled about having wolves but it is not the end of the world if we can manage them.
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House Committee on Agriculture and Natural Resources

Date: Thursday-February 9
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CARRIED OVER FROM THE 2/7/2012 AGENDA: Establishes credit against income taxes in compensation for livestock killed by predators.
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The bottom line for most of us, if not all, is thriving wildlife and a clean and healthy place for us to enjoy the outdoors. Wolves will make things interesting, harder but interesting. We don't have to be thrilled about having wolves but it is not the end of the world if we can manage them.
In 100% agreement with you on this.
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This bill was amended and came out of Ag and Natural Resources with a "Do-Pass" recommendation.

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Establishes credit against income taxes in compensation for { - livestock killed by predators - ** { + loss of livestock due to cougar or wolf depredation + **. { + Provides that, if tax credit exceeds taxes for tax year, amount of excess is refunded to taxpayer. + **

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Date: Wednesday-February 15
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Establishes credit against income taxes in compensation for loss of livestock due to cougar or wolf depredation.
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Now scheduled for a work session tomorrow afternoon:

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Date: Wednesday-February 22
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Establishes credit against income taxes in compensation for loss of livestock due to cougar or wolf depredation.
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This bill was amended and passed out of Revenue with no recommendation.

It now goes to Ways and Means by prior reference.
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Old 02-23-2012, 01:20 PM   #49
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i may be way off base but with the wording ''loss to predators'' cougars and wolves this is a perfect excuse for the bills that are currently in process ie. the cougar pilot program and kill orders for wolves that commit these constant livestock killings..to be not passed. they dont need to kill wolves or run cougars with dogs if the ranchers are being compinsated?? seems to me that we are cutting our own throats. either let them run wild with no management...and pay the ranchers for their losses...or dont pay them and let the predators be managed by them and odfw and sportsmen. it is a fact that wolves use to live in the willamette valley. if the westside wants a say in wolf management then they should have to have wolves over there. until that happens it should be handled in ''house.'' ie..by the county and the people who are directly affected. not by some crazy tax credit.
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A bandaid on an arterial bleeder!
Look at MT, ID and WY.
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Lots of changes:
Cougar is out, tax credit yearly cap, tax credit disallowance if wolves are removed from state endangered species list and a sunset.

The amended bill summary:

Establishes credit against income taxes in compensation for loss of livestock due to { - cougar or - ** wolf depredation.
{ + Requires State Department of Fish and Wildlife to issue written certification for tax credits and prohibits department from issuing certifications for more than $15,000 in tax credits in any tax year. Provides that certifications are to be issued in order received. Disallows tax credit if State Fish and Wildlife Commission has removed wolf from list of endangered species. + **
Provides that, if tax credit exceeds taxes for tax year, amount of excess is refunded to taxpayer. Applies to tax years beginning on or after January 1, 2012 { + , and before January 1, 2019 + **.

Work Session in 3 hours.


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Relating to a tax credit for livestock killed by predators
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Old 02-24-2012, 11:57 AM   #52
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The changes sound fair, I didn't think cougars should have been in the mix to begin with, we do have resources to deal with problem cats, we don't with wolves. Fair also once they come off the list.

I think those changes address the sportspersons concerns.
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Amended again.

Yearly tax credit cap now at $37500.

Passed to full Ways and Means with a "Do-Pass" recommendation.
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If you do not have an income, then how the heck is a "income" tax credit going to help!!
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On public land. If a land owner does not want wolves on THEIR land they should have the right to remove them.

The real "subsidy" is using hunting license, Pitman-Roberts and Dingle-Johnson funds to help the reintroduction.
Sir,
You are soo right. We the people have no rights in the management of any of our, our, our wildlife. We are at the mercy of well funded special interest groups who will cram this down our throat.

Just reviewed a short booklet produced by the people in Wallowa County.
http://wallowavalleyonline.com/wvo/?p=6855
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This bill was passed by the House 55-5 earlier this morning.
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Now in Senate Ways and Means.
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Idk? Something doesn't feel right about this bill. My gut is telling me this is a bad thing.
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I'm not sure if its a program cap or an annual individual cap. Anyone know?
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I'm not sure if its a program cap or an annual individual cap. Anyone know?
It is an annual program cap.

This bill will be voted on by the full Senate this morning.
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