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Old 01-07-2012, 01:58 PM   #1
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I have some friends that were running hounds up by Hebo Mtn last night and apparently ran into some wolves, I guess they ran across the road in front of them. From what I was told they also talked with a ODFW employee up their that said they have planted 2 pairs in that area and have been tracking them from Agency Cr. to Hebo Mtn.

Please do not bash me, but this is not the first report I have gotten about wolf/wolf track sightings in the area. My girlfriend is from that area so we hear a lot from her friends and family. Can anyone on here verify any of this?

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Old 01-07-2012, 02:33 PM   #2
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How deep were they planting them?
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Wow wow wow, Hebo MT on the coast range?

If they want them on this side of the state at least transplant them in Portland.
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Old 01-07-2012, 05:24 PM   #4
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Sounds like the cats out of the bag. There have been wolves there for awhile
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From what I was told they also talked with a ODFW employee up their that said they have planted 2 pairs in that area

And where is their funding coming from?
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I cannot possibly think of a reason why ODFW would be planting wolves anywhere without being completely transparent about it.
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Hey guys I have no clue, this is just what I have been told. I cannot answer any questions because I don't know the answers. I do know of 2 different houndsmen who refuse to run their dogs up their because of these supposed wolves. I also know of a person who grew up in the country and swears on his life that he seen 4 wolves last winter up Pumpkin Seed Rd in his back yard. This guy called me the next morning and told me about it, I had NEVER talked to him about wolves EVER before, heck we had never even talked about hunting. So I just thought I would pass this info on. Not one of these sources has any reason to lie to me.
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maybe they will migrate to Forest Park , so all of the " Portlanders " can see them

oh well ......
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Long Shot,

I certainly can't verify the story, and I have no intention of shooting the messenger. Having said that, I just can't imagine that the ODFW has a "Black Ops budget" for planting and tracking wolves. While some may question decisions made by ODFW , I just can't get my head around the idea that they could decide to plant wolves and try to keep it quiet. It's bad enough that they are in Oregon at all. Planting wolves in dairy country would be a bad decision of epic proportions.

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Old 01-08-2012, 03:51 AM   #10
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I certainly am no expert in this arena but a couple of things come to mind...I have heard alot of discussion in the past about hybrids. Could it be hybrids that owners let go? And secondly, if that wolf #7 or whatever could migrate from way over in E. Oregon and is currently being tracked in northern Cali...certainly possible for a pair or two to make it to the coast range, isn't it? Or does ODF&W have tracking devices on every wolf?

I'm with the Forest Park idea...for wolves AND cougar. Probably already cougs in Forest Park.
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I certainly can't verify the story, and I have no intention of shooting the messenger. Having said that, I just can't imagine that the ODFW has a "Black Ops budget" for planting and tracking wolves. While some may question decisions made by ODFW , I just can't get my head around the idea that they could decide to plant wolves and try to keep it quiet. It's bad enough that they are in Oregon at all. Planting wolves in dairy country would be a bad decision of epic proportions.

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This thread belongs on the fishing forum...
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Last year I found this track.......went for about 1/2 mile crossing on and off the road with a lone set of elk tracks. This was above agency creek and the closest other vehicle or boot tracks we saw were well over 5-8 miles away?

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I sure hope not!! I'm not looking forward to the day I feel that I need to carry a side arm while fishing the upper Nestucca!!!!
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...does ODF&W have tracking devices on every wolf?
Making the assumption that the question is: "Does ODF&W have tracking devices on every wolf currently residing within the borders of the state of Oregon?"

According to the testimony given at the ODFW Commission meeting on Friday, January 6, 2012: "Not at the present time".

Certainly would be useful for a number of different reasons.
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Old 01-09-2012, 09:23 PM   #18
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Yet another AMAZINGLY great reason....

NOT TO BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU MIGHT THINK!
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I certainly wouldn't put it past ODF&W... Someone please tell me the last good thing ODF&W has done for Big Game in Oregon?
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That explains the black helicopters I saw the other day!
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What is it with these racey black helos that we see flying around the Wenaha unit as well. Looks like a jazzed up Bell 206B. Do we not have an economic problem in this state? Why are we spending money we do not have?
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Last year I found this track.......went for about 1/2 mile crossing on and off the road with a lone set of elk tracks. This was above agency creek and the closest other vehicle or boot tracks we saw were well over 5-8 miles away?

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A track made by a wolf will really make you stop and wonder. This track was made by a juvenile and its still bigger than what I've seen from other dogs.
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Old 01-12-2012, 08:00 PM   #23
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There have been no wolves "planted" anywhere in Oregon


come on joe that is exactly what we were all told a decade ago, then all of a sudden it was " ya we planted wolves in oregon, but we are keeping quiet about it". we all know that we can't trust our state agencies to be honest and truthful to the public on this subject, if wolves were not planted on mt.hebo i am sure that there is a person or two with the aroma of natural incense drooling over the idea.
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I saw one up a Browns Camp.....
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Old 01-15-2012, 08:44 AM   #25
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Any time you deal with a state or government agency such as fish and game that is slowly being made up of non hunting and fishing employees you will never get the truth from and as long as this re introduce predator program going on you will still ne getting those off the record talks with game cops about the never ending shoot, shovel and shut up talks. If the people in charge would realy be straight with what there realy are or aren't doing we wouldn't be needing this thread.
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There is no " re introduce predator program", and "game cops" have nothing to do with fish and game agencies, at least not in Oregon.

Lots of folks on this board and elsewhere need to stop taking wildlife management advice from police officers, and legal advice from ODFW employees.
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Old 01-16-2012, 12:20 PM   #27
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I have PERSONALLY seen a pair of wolves up on Hebo from about 85 yards. They were stalking the very same deer that I was hunting - the deer ended up blowing out and headed for the next county. The wolves dropped down the canyon and out of sight, but I had them in sight and in the scope for some time. No, it wasn't just a fleeting glimpse, more like 15 - 20 seconds, with multiple looks for anywhere from 1 to 10 seconds. And I am POSITIVE they were wolves and not yotes or hybrids - WAYYY too big, like 100 pounds too big.

So you "experts" can tell yourselves what you want, just keep reminding yourselves that the government would never lie to you. Not just keep details from you, but downright LIE to keep their butts covered.
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I have PERSONALLY seen a pair of wolves up on Hebo from about 85 yards. They were stalking the very same deer that I was hunting - the deer ended up blowing out and headed for the next county. The wolves dropped down the canyon and out of sight, but I had them in sight and in the scope for some time. No, it wasn't just a fleeting glimpse, more like 15 - 20 seconds, with multiple looks for anywhere from 1 to 10 seconds. And I am POSITIVE they were wolves and not yotes or hybrids - WAYYY too big, like 100 pounds too big.

So you "experts" can tell yourselves what you want, just keep reminding yourselves that the government would never lie to you. Not just keep details from you, but downright LIE to keep their butts covered.
What is this lie that we are being told? Who is covering their butt? Conspiracies abound but so far they seem a bit far fetched and lack any sensible explanation. So did "they" plant wolves on Mt Hebo???? Why is this a secret when all other factual info about actual wolves in Oregon public knowledge? Are "they" planning something????????
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Sounds like the cats out of the bag. There have been wolves there for awhile
True statement, 2yrs ago while bowhunting just up agency I came face to face with one at about 15ft, then later the same year my brother and I were glassing for elk and spotted one (maybe the same one) about a mile off. We used a log laying next to it to gauge it's size, and there is no possible way it was a coyote. About 15 years ago when coming back from sighting our guns in, a buddy and I saw one right in the road, again, wayyy too big to be a coyote. My Dad used to tell me when I was a kid that he saw one up agency as well, so, they have been ther a long time. I have heard them howling on many occassions.
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Several years ago I saw two at ollali lake in the cascades cross the road I went to the forest service and they said just coyotes. I said really They didnt look anything like the 500 plus yots I have trapped in the last 20 years. went to fish and game and they said that they were wolf dogs that some wolf lover ( cant remember the name of said group) group planted and that they issued citations to them for there actions and they were trapping them. I have not seen them since. Now having said that and reviewing this thread, I do believe you all saw a wolf of some sort. they most likley are not the Canadian gray wolf that you think but still. there goal is to end hunting through the wolf and if the ODFW cant do that for them they will do it themselves. Quit blaming the ODFW they are doing what they can. Id start looking a little east to salm based orginization like preditor defence

http://www.predatordefense.org/issues.htm
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http://ecotrope.opb.org/2011/10/wolf...-off-the-hunt/

Now Im not saying these orginizations have anything to do with it but one of there members or like minded people could have shurly dreamed of seeing wolves there and bought and bread a pack
http://www.wolfzone1.com/

http://www.starcrosswolves.com/

Its no different then someone stocking a lake with large mouth. Its just my opinion and thoughts. I believe you guys saw a wolf just not a gray wolf and Im sure the odfw had nothing to do with it.
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Sounds like the cats out of the bag. There have been wolves there for awhile


There has been rumors of wolves up in that drainage for several decades. I have little doubt on the possibility of it being so. We reported wolf sightings well over 12 years ago out of Camp Creek (John Day) long before they caught that Idaho wolf roaming around there. IMO, wolves are not a problem. Poachers and enviormental issues are a much bigger issue to the viability of deer and elk.
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I have seen them in the Slivies unit. My Uncle seen some we told a forest ranger about it. He said that they are cross breads of the dog yote kind. Must be half great dane. A buddy of mine has pictures of some up in the snow peak area. Not one a pack of about eight. This was about 7 years ago. There here have always been here. TY
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Too Small for a wolf track. I have pictures somewhere of some taken north of McGrath Alaska.
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Bowhuntert, Could you post that picture? I've hunted Snow Peak off and on for the last 15-20 years and my brother still lives in Thrill City, and this is the first I've heard of wolves up there. There is a lot of terrain up there to get lost in, so it is possible.
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Old 01-19-2012, 06:07 PM   #38
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I have no idea but isn't there a Hedo mt on the east side somewhere?
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A Google search shows one Mt. Hebo in Oregon.
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A Google search shows one Mt. Hebo in Oregon.
Oh, that Mt Hebo. I thought they were talking about Hebo Mtn. Of course there are tons of wolves here in the coast range on Mt Hebo. I wouldn't bother ever hunting there again.....probably get ate by a wolf or worse not see any game since the super concentration of coastal wolves have cleaned us out. Coastal wolves are the most stealthy of all wolves and so far have avoided ever being photographed nor have they ever left a track that could be confirmed to be made by a wolf. There the sneaky ones.....
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I find it interesting that folks "report" wolf siting to the USFS, but not ODFW? I find it interesting that with all the potential sitings there's no evidence. I find it interesting that no one's explained why ODFW, or any state agency anywhere, would keep factual data regarding wolf locations a secret. Yes, they probably can't legally reveil exact den sites and up to date radio collar data (they don't provide that for deer and elk either) but there's no reason not to provide documentation of general locations such as Mt. Hebo.
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I find it interesting that folks "report" wolf siting to the USFS, but not ODFW? I find it interesting that with all the potential sitings there's no evidence. I find it interesting that no one's explained why ODFW, or any state agency anywhere, would keep factual data regarding wolf locations a secret. Yes, they probably can't legally reveil exact den sites and up to date radio collar data (they don't provide that for deer and elk either) but there's no reason not to provide documentation of general locations such as Mt. Hebo.
Interesting thoughts. Glad to see you are thinking. Conspiracy theories run deep, eh??

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...they probably can't legally reveil ...up to date radio collar data...
An interesting statement, since ODFW Commission Chair Dan Edge brought up the possibility of that exact concept during the 2011 Wolf Management Report portion of the Jan. 6, 2012 commission meeting. Location information is being currently being texted at 5:30am and 5:30pm to certain landowners; he wanted to know if/why this information couldn't be provided to everyone (specifically for the potential of viewing opportunities).
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Old 01-23-2012, 03:43 PM   #44
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They will not be happy until everyone stops buying elk tags for a year or two. hit them where it hurts and let them know how most tax paying Oregon Citizens feel...Otherwise they ( ODFW) will do what they want at our expense ( taxes)...Maybe we can get as many wolves as Idaho so the Elk populations go bonk here too!
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I sure hope not!! I'm not looking forward to the day I feel that I need to carry a side arm while fishing the upper Nestucca!!!!
Be more afraid of people and their intentions than wolves. Wolves eat deer/elk but people pray on people, I would still carry in the wood pal !
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An interesting statement, since ODFW Commission Chair Dan Edge brought up the possibility of that exact concept during the 2011 Wolf Management Report portion of the Jan. 6, 2012 commission meeting. Location information is being currently being texted at 5:30am and 5:30pm to certain landowners; he wanted to know if/why this information couldn't be provided to everyone (specifically for the potential of viewing opportunities).
Would seem legally that info could not be with held since it is acquired through public funds. Just needs the right people to apply the right pressure (law suit).
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So lets say one is out hunting yotes/game in the hebo region and they come across one of these "wolves". It has no collar and is much larger than a yote, BUT knowing what we know by ODFW publications there should be/are no wolves in this region AND if you were to ask an ODFW official I am sure they would reassure you that there are no wolves in the coast range. What would you believe to be the repercussions for taking the shot assuming that he/she has all necessary licenses and is on the assumption that it is a coyote, but indeed it was a wolf in the coast range?
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Old 02-05-2012, 12:17 PM   #48
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I would suggest asking your local OSP game officer.
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Old 02-05-2012, 01:06 PM   #49
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A track made by a wolf will really make you stop and wonder. This track was made by a juvenile and its still bigger than what I've seen from other dogs.
Remember mud and snow exaggerate the size of prints.
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Remember mud and snow exaggerate the size of prints.
Even in mud, unless the hand is very small this track was from a large dog or wolf. Depending on where it was taken I'd suspect dog, feral or domestic, over wolf. Coyotes do not get that large, cats are rounder and usualy show no sign of claws.
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Even in mud, unless the hand is very small this track was from a large dog or wolf. Depending on where it was taken I'd suspect dog, feral or domestic, over wolf. Coyotes do not get that large, cats are rounder and usualy show no sign of claws.
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Remember mud and snow exaggerate the size of prints.
That print was made by a juvenile wolf in Denali Nat. Park about 20 minutes before I took that picture. The mud in that picture is fairly firm, my boot prints were sinking about the same depth as that print.

I have seen wolf tracks that are larger (not exagerated by mud or snow) but uploaded this picture as a general example so that some who have not seen many wolf tracks could get and idea of the scale of a wolf track. It's obviously not a cat track, and as Keta stated, other than a realy big domestic dog, we don't have anything down here that big other than from one of our formerly indigenous, newly immigrated hot-button issue dogs.
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