Help a fellow out "what are you saying"

[Swim Shady]

Ok folks, I have been reading a lot of posts that have some unique language. WHAT do the following terms mean? Do you folks in the "know" have a book of definitions that a novice can reference? Here they are....
Boondoggle?
Mooching? Mooching Rig?
Lining a fish?
Hoochie?
Cheater?
I am sure there are others but my mind can only handle so much, in fact I may have hit overload already....
Thanks in advance for the definitions of the above terms. Also, are their other terms I "should" know??? :shocked:

[GOT2FISH]

What the hay I'll give acouple of trys. Hoochie ia a little squid looking lure. Its soft plastic and you slide it down your leader over the hook. Cheater is like a Corkie more oval than round,and usally made of styrafoam. This one I'm not 100% sure of but iI think lining is when you put corkies on the end of a leader so it floats off the bottom Salmon usally swim with there mouths open they get the leader tangled in there yaws and then the hook is set I belive this is also called flossing[NOT A GOOD WAY TO CATCH FISH ONE STEP BELOW SNAGING] in my opion. I hope I told you the right answers Im new to some of the terms to and if I'm wrong I'm sure we'll both learn something.

[sparkleboy]

I'll help you out with two, because I've never really "done them" before.
Lining a fish is a process where a fisherman somehow runs his leader across a fish's mouth, therefore dragging the hook into the mouth of the fish. Basically it's snagging, but when you land the fish "lookie thar, Jim-Bob! That thar's hooked right in the mouf. We gots ourselves sum dinner!" That may not be the best answer, but it's a start. I actually don't know how people can actually do this successfully... How the heck would you know when your leader is crossing a fish's mouth?
A cheater is a small corkie-type looking thing used for drift fishing (usually for steelhead). They are egg-shaped, and come in a variety of colors, most of which have spots. I think they look cool, but I haven't hooked a fish on one yet.
Well, actually, I'll give it a shot with one more.
Hoochie. A hoochie is a lure-type thing used for salmon fishing. I'm not very familiar with salmon fishing, but I'm pretty sure it's deadly in the ocean. The "hoochie" looks like a small squid, and they have them in a about a billion different colors. Some with sparkles, some without. Jeez, it's kind of crazy.
Ok, one more.
Boondoggin'
Drift fishing in a drift boat. Basically, you just cast out, and start rowing, if I'm anywhere near accurate. Good way to fish lots of water when you want to go from one good hole to the next.

[RichH]

Ok, I'll give a go.

Boondogging: Done from a boat, bait is cast up stream and dragged down the river. Most successful boondoggers use a long leader that allows the bait to get away from the weight.

Mooching: A technique used most often for salmon, herring used most frequently. A mooching rig is typically a double hook setup designed to get the appropriate spin on the herring.

Lining: Also known as flossing, a technique where most frequently a long leader is employed and the idea is to get the leader to drift through the water column at the level of the of the fishes mouth. Often a piece of yarn or nonbouyant bead is used on the hook. Typically a downstream drift is best as this allows the fisherperson to "feel the bite" better. The method of choice for fishing for reds in Alaska. A similar method is used by some flyfishers "sight fishing" on redds. Basically snagging.

Hoochie: Rubber squid, already well explained above.

Cheater: Driftbobber, also well explained above.

[Fshklr]

Boondoggle: Usually done from a boat. basically it's speed drifting (free float) matching or just a pace faster than a controlled drift(back bouncing) the stretch of river you are in. keeping bait in near contact just above the bottom.
Mooching: Trolling or backbouncing in the current with herring, anchovie, etc.
Mooching rig: mainline to beadchained banana weight to leader to herring( not sure if this is correct)
Lining: already explained by others
Hoochie: soft plastic bait that resembles a squid. comes in 2 1/2" on up and I use them under a spin-glo. Spin-glo, Pink and white half and half with mylar wings #10 pink corkie, pink hootchie, pea size bead inserted to head of hootchie to act as a body and all slid down to a #1 gami.
Cheater: 2 styles #1 is egg shaped styrofoam style corkie. #2 A styrofoam spinglo of sorts that is egg shaped and has stiff reflective wings.
Birdie: Hard molded plastic that has spiral sorta wings molded to its body and is oval in shape.
are you confused yet?

[Swim Shady]

Ok, guess I need to download the defs to my laptop, accuracy is pinnacle Next time on the boat I will say, "now honey, what you are going to do is mooch this hoochie with a cheater, but be sure not to line the fish"!! WHAT??? I can see it now. I will look like I really know what I am doing, or she'll laugh me out the back, one of the two! Styling :grin: Thanks for the info folks!!

[GOT2FISH]

If you can get her in the boat and have a great day catching fish it really dosent matter what you call it.

[Hogmaster]

OK, so far so good. But I have a few questions too:

What is a "Captain Ron?"

What is the difference between a Pogey, chub, and a sculpin?

If lining is "basically snagging" even though the hook is in the fish's mouth, then is it "basically snagging" when a fish is hooked in the gullet? After all, in neither case does the fish intend to be hooked. In the latter case it is attacking the bait, not the hook, right?...
If I am at B10 fishing for URBs but hook a Tule while boonedogging a mooching rig that has a cheater and a hoochie on it and there is a hesitation in the tip before a pound down yet the hook is in the mouth, is it flossed?

Where, exactly, is Tuna town?

The regs in Oregon say use of live bait is prohibited. What are worms and sand shrimp?

:grin:

[Grip It-N-Rip It]

Hog master
It is in my Humble opinion that you are lining a fish when a person just throws down a few corkies on top of a hook and just waits for a fish to bump into the line, wether it is in the mouth, gullet, gut, or tail. Fish swim with there mouths open so they can pump oxgen through there gills. Sometimes a person gets lucky and hooks a fish in the mouth. Alot of times the fish is unlucky and is hooked anywhere but the mouth. I have personally stood on the bank of the Trask river and watched a huge wake come up the river,( a school of fish coming) and just like clock work as soon as the wake was about to hit the boats lined up in the hole it was like a chain reaction. From the lowest boat in the hole to the upper most boat in the hole everyone and I mean EVERYONE set the hook. Now you tell me that everyone of those people all got a bite as that school of fish went by. What was happening in case you don't realize it is that they are getting line bumps and setting the hook on that. ain my opinion that is what everyone is calling lining. In my opinion that is what I snagging. Most of the fish hooked like this I would bet 80% must be thrown back due to being foul hooked. Most people feel they must play the fish out rather than cut there line and the fish suffer. This is my opinion and if you don't like it I am sorry. But this is what I call lining, It is MY definiton

[Grip It-N-Rip It]

WOW not sure how I did that but I guess I got my two cents in HUH!!!! [img]graemlins/stupid.gif[/img]

[ 12-09-2003, 01:33 PM: Message edited by: Grip It-N-Rip It ]

[sparkleboy]

LOL
This was chain reaction after reading your first post:
"Wait a minute, I've seen this before..."
"Dang...wha...3 posts...guy must be A.D.D...."
"Ok, this guy has serious issues with his computer..."

[Hogmaster]

Wow!

You must have doubly strong feelings about this. :grin:

I am not trying to start "that" debate on this thread. It is just that I have been an avid sockeye fisherman for years.

Lil' Blue Sled, reeldick and I have been going to Alaska since the late 80's (and Dick lived there before then) to fish the Kenai in August for the reds.

We use fly gear and we catch fish in the mouth. Yes, almost all sockeye are hooked in the corners of the jaw. That is how they are caught, and it is great fun to do so. With enough experience, we have learned the feel of a fish to the point that we seldom hook one in the back, side, anus or anywhere but the mouth. If you know what you are doing you won't set the hook until you feel the fly in their mouths as opposed to the "rub" feeling of line going over a back.

But are we snagging? I'm sorry, but I don't believe we are snagging. We are fair hooking every fish we keep. If it is hooked in the mouth, it isn't snagged. That is by definition. Check the regs, it is right in there.

Are we lining? I guess if that is what the hangup is, then fine, we are lining the fish. 10,000 liners are on the shores of the Kenai every summer too. Most are highly ethical sportsman who only keep fish caught with hooks in the mouth.

Not trying to get too serious or spark an inordinate amount of debate on this. Yes, guys who set the hook with long-leadered corkies while plunking sometimes foul hook fish. Are they flossing, lining, or snagging? Are they NOT supposed to set the hook when their rod tip twitches as a pod of fish move through because the might foul hook a fish?

This is not an easy debate, because even with bait on that corkie the same thing could happen. Exessively long leaders? What is that? Everyone has an idea.

My .02 on this is that a fisherman is as good as his intentions and actions. As long as he/she isn't tossing pixies at the sockeye and using the "Crank 1, Crank 2, Crank 3, YANK" method of retrieval, then they are probably not intentionally trying to snag. And if they let a fish go after foul hooking it, whether using corkies on the bottom, boondoggling, fly-fishing, bobber fishing, drift fishing or back bouncing, they are not a snagger by the terms of law, despite all the emotion to the contrary. It just seems the pursuit of righteous methods of fishing is always subject to debate...



Now, back to the questions;

What is the best way to kill a fish?

Does a fish look up if it is alive and you hold it upside down (I tried to answer this once, but the jury is still out. In fact it is the picture in my Avatar).

If you are fishing in the ocean and you suddenly hear your buddy calling "BBBUUUUIIIICCCCKKKK," is there a car in the area?

:grin: :grin: :grin:

[Hogmaster]

Boondoggle? - This would be the dams on the Snake River

Mooching? What my brother does when he comes over to my house.

Mooching Rig? My mother's car, being driven by my brother.

Lining a fish? What Jake's does to their halibut when they put that crab stuffing in the middle. Mmmmmm!

Hoochie? A small bottle of Hooch. Usually used on the water in conditions requiring extra warmth.

Cheater? Well, you know. But it is also a guy who says the hot hole is just down the cliff-ridden bank another 100 yards when he heads upstream 15 feet and limits out.

:grin: :grin: :grin:

SS,

Don't believe these guys, their just trying to push your leg.
Come on guys he asked a legitimate question and should get a straight answer :grin:


Boondoggle = most government programs
Mooching = What you do if you don't own a boat and like to catch fish
Mooching Rig = A moochers truck
Lining a fish = Kind of like a pickup line in a bar only different
Hoochie = the object of the pickup line in the bar
Cheater = see Hoochie

Hogmaster,
Only if its OOOOORRRRROOOOKKKKK's BBBUUUUIIIICCCCKKKK

[ 12-09-2003, 11:16 PM: Message edited by: Keta ]

[Fshklr]

Originally posted by Keta:
SS,

Don't believe these guys, their just trying to push your leg.
Come on guys he asked a legitimate question and should get a straight answer :grin:


Boondoggle? = most government programs
Mooching? = What you do if you don't own a boat and like to catch fish
Mooching Rig? = A moochers truck
Lining a fish? = Kind of like a pickup line in a bar only different
Hoochie? = the object of the pickup line in the bar
Cheater = see Hoochie

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Now thats funny!!

[Grip It-N-Rip It]

Hogmaster I totally agree with what you are saying on a persons intentions. So totally true! What I was watching on that particular day I would refer to as the s word. It sounds as you and your friends work hard to make sure this don't happen to you and you care and for that I applaud you and your friends. [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]
Keta That is truly funny.

[Swim Shady]

GOT2FISH I can get the wife in the boat anytime. If fact if I go with out her it's the couch for a week.... But getting fish in the boat is another story. :grin: And Hogmaster, just when I thought I had it you went and muddied the water. Oh well what ya gonna do? More questions, hopefully more answers! Keep it coming!!!!!