What's w/the new Lamiglas

Bobby Ray · 12-27-2002, 07:09 PM

Well, I know a few weeks ago this topic came up but there wasn't enough info brought up.

I was at the Sportsmen's warehouse in Salem today and I was talking to the salesmen at the fishing counter, we got to talking about the new Lamiglas and well, what he said shocked me, he said that Lamiglas didn't make them........OK now I'm scratching my head, he told me that the Lamiglas rods with the red registration card had a limited warranty and that another company made them. Who is this "other company"

Why would Lamiglas do this? Are these rods just as good as the ones they make.........I would guess not, since they are not offering lifetime warranty on them

Is this a buyer beware thing?

Can anyone shed some light on this subject

Oh ya, I did see my next pole it's a real Lamiglas Esprit EC 8'6 MCT

Ya Baby!! now that's a rod.

Thanks in advanced
BnB

[ 12-27-2002, 08:11 PM: Message edited by: big n bright ]

Timber · 12-27-2002, 07:21 PM

I beleive this rod is thier response to the part of the market that berkley was controling with the im-7 Buzz ramsey series

SteelieSteve · 12-27-2002, 07:42 PM

I saw them at Bi-mart and they look fairly inexpensively made. Not of the Esprit quality for sure. More like the old 500 series or as he said a rod to compete with the Berkley "Buzz" model.

Mojo · 12-27-2002, 07:53 PM

I bought one in September at Sportsmans Warehouse. Yes it's cheap. Yes it catches fish! I have had no problems with it at all. I agree it isn't up to par with the top end rods. For an extra boat rod, it works pretty well. I cna't afford one of those really nice rods, so that's what I use.

[ 12-28-2002, 01:35 PM: Message edited by: Mojo ]

Bobby Ray · 12-28-2002, 03:48 PM

Has anyone come up with any info on this NW company that makes this new line of Lami's

How many Ifisher's own these new rods?

BnB

Jsail · 12-28-2002, 05:43 PM

NW ? Maybe NW China

Look at the butt and see the little sticker.
I talked to the AlSports rep the other day and asked him about them.
He said, that they (AlSports) had gone to Lamiglass and asked them to come up with a rod to replace the IM7 that they had been distributing from Berkley. They wanted a rods to fit the price range of those they will no longer stock. He showed me the 9' 15-50. It is a twin to the Berkley, same color, same handle and reel seat, and the same guide wrap. I had recently purchased the Berkley and taken it out Sturgeon fishing. I wasn't real happy with the (Berkley) limber tip as compared to some other comparable rods I have. The Lami seemed stiffer and had a better graduating bend to it.
My take on it was that Lamiglass was having them made by a company in China. I asked if Lamiglass was sending the blanks over to have them finished and he said no.
These days a lot of every day rods are made in China. I think that all of the WWGrigs rods, that include Northriver, NorthXNorthwest and many more are all made in China. I have a NorthRiver that I'm happy with, but then I have a Quantum that I use as much or more than any other rod.
If it feels good .......

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thats all I know about that....

Cub Bear · 12-28-2002, 05:54 PM

Nothing wrong with them. They are made in China and imported by Lamiglas. Just like alot of other imports. Know what your buying. Your not getting a Rogue of G-Loomis. But if thats whats your buget requires buy it and go fish.

Ifishsum · 12-28-2002, 06:57 PM

My money is on the Berkley IM6 in that price range...blows away the low-end lami IMHO(and I own at least a couple lamiglass rods). I love Lamiglass, but don't like the cheap model at all. Picked up another Berk just the other day for my brother. He loves it as much as I do

Straydog · 12-29-2002, 07:40 AM

No, this is NOT a buyer beware thing!! Lamiglas has way too much integrety to do something that dumb.

This rod has a one year warranty just like the other price point rods by Lamiglas.

Mojo,

I am not being pushy, but I am sure you are confusing the new Pure 7 rod with the G200 series... they both have the red warranty card. The Pure 7 rods were not available in September.

These rods are indeed imported from China just like the other price point rods from Lamiglas and just like the Berkley IM7 rods. (ppppssssttt.... check the butt end of those too!

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People act as if imported rods are something new. Fenwick (another Pure Fishing product) started importing rods about 25 years ago...... [img]graemlins/idea.gif[/img]

Someone asked why Lamiglas would do this. The answer is to remain competitive and viable in the market place at a multitude of price points. Pretty simple.

If you ever see a Shloomis or any other manufacturers putting out rods for under a hundred bucks they too will be imported just like the Berkley's, Fenwicks, Garcias, Shakespeare, Shimano, WW Griggs, Wright McGill and most other major factories.

Ifishsum,

I am curious for any detail you might offer concerning how the Berk. "blows away" the Lamiglas.. :whazzup: When you say "low end" model, are you refering to the new Pure 7 or to the G200 series. There is a definate difference...

I have shaken all models by both companies but have not had time to fish the new Lamiglas yet, have you? From handling them, I see very little difference in like action models although I do think the Lami has a little faster tip which to me, is a good thing!

You seem to have pretty strong opinion on this and I would be very interested in knowing what you base this on.

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Bobby Ray · 12-29-2002, 12:58 PM

very informative, sounds like the rods are worth checking out.

Thank you all for responding

BnB

dawhunt · 12-30-2002, 06:44 AM

These rogs are made in China and have a one year warrenty.
Bob

riverraider · 12-30-2002, 07:21 AM

I think I remember from an old thread that All-Sports is going to stop carrying the Berkley and Abu lines. Not because they are inferior products but because of a marketing decision by Berkley and Abu.
If this is the case, the new Lami products give All-Sports a needed product in this price catagory.
Hope I got the details right on this marketing decision thing, I couldn't find the old thread to refresh my memory.

Straydog · 12-30-2002, 08:16 AM

That is the story as I know it, Riverraider.

12-30-2002, 10:36 AM

I checked out these rods this morning and they are nicer than the G200s.

KingFisher85 · 12-30-2002, 10:58 AM

I know them G200 models are really nice, but if Keta says the new ones are even nicer I might just have to pick one up.

Straydog · 12-30-2002, 12:30 PM

Ifishsum,

Yea, those black blanked rods are the G200 series and is a different blank than the new Pure 7 rods. (they are called the Cascade series at BiMart)

You're right in that they are heavier and have different actions.

I was not concerned that you were 'picking on' Lamiglas but as a distributor Rep. it is always important to learn as much as possible about what the consumer is seeing in any product I sell, especially new ones.

A new item can seem like the best thing in the world to the factory and the distributors but if it has a problem in the eyes and mind of the consumer our opinions mean nothing.

Thanks for getting back to me on this, I appreciate the input. [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

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bigshark · 12-30-2002, 11:25 PM

How would the repair work? Just exchange for another rod?

12-30-2002, 11:33 PM

I was told by an All Sports salesman that they were direct return at BiMart.

Ifishsum · 12-30-2002, 11:49 PM

Straydog

I may have misunderstood which lami was being discussed....I was speaking of the ones I've been seeing that have a dull black blank and sell for about 70 bucks (don't remember the series). Bi-Mart sells em. The Berkley feels significantly lighter in weight to me, and when I tap the end I felt much more with the Berk, possibly because of the exposed blank under the reel seat. I also thought the cork was better quality on the Berk, and the tip on it actually felt a little faster to me. I'm certainly not against Lamiglass...I own a G1000 and a Certified Pro 7wt fly rod, both of which I love. But I haven't drift fished with a rod that felt better to me than my IM7 Berkley. I have also never spent more than $150 for a rod, but my impression was that the discussion was about rods in the $80-100 price point. I'm really not that opinionated about it....I was just offering my point of view.

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