Change in adipose definition!

4 REEL · 12-07-2003, 01:24 PM

I would like some better clarifacation(sp?) on the subject. Last year I released two REAL nice fish that were partial clipped. It was obvious that some had tried to clip them. But I surely didn't want to have that discusion with an officer at the time.

STGRule · 12-07-2003, 01:42 PM

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2003 Regs:
Adipose Fin Clip: A healed scar where the adipose fin has been removed in its entirety. The adipose fin is a small fatty fin on salmon and trout located between the dorsal fin and tail (see page 67 ).

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2004 Regs:
Adipose Fin Clip: A hatchery salmon, steelhead or trout with a clipped adipose fin and having a healed scar at the location of the fin. The adipose fin is a small fatty fin on salmon and trout located between the dorsal fin and tail (see page 67 ).

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">For all of you that like to bust Mr. King's chops about sport angling issues, you'll be happy to know he did this one for you if you need to know where to send the thank-yous.

I also got better definitions of white and green sturgeon put in. The pictures leave a little to be desired but they are on contract. We get what they got.

rob allen · 12-07-2003, 01:50 PM

HMMM I think it's poorly worded but the intent is the same..

Born to be Wild · 12-07-2003, 05:40 PM

You mean Mr. King got the regulation change past Rhine Messmer (sp)? :shocked: :whazzup: :grin:
Wow, I'm impressed! :grin:

Rob, the change is probably for the better.
I saw a lot of clipped coho's last year that were both retained and released with a threat to the ones kept and dissapointing releases of hatchery coho that were obviously hatchery fish with a bad clip but wrere released because of the old definition.

I believe this is the time of the year and the year out of every fourth year where reg changes are up for grab.

If its not too late I would reccomend that some ifisher's get involved in a regulation change for the rediculous plastic bait regulation in Oregon.
Good luck with Rhine though, he's like LWD in a river.

Born to be Wild · 12-07-2003, 05:49 PM

By the way, I believe Mr. King is the one responsible or at least suggested a reg change where wild springers cannot be boated.

Now if we could get the same reg out in the salt for the handling of wild coho we wouldn't loose so many of the ten's of thousands that are being killed out there.
Hopefully it won't be very much longer at the rate they are rebounding fishermen will be able to retain the first two again.

Dan

Uglygreen · 12-07-2003, 06:04 PM

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If I remember corectly, law enforcement officials were instrumental in getting this law changed. It had become obvious that fish were not always getting a full clip, and officials were concerned that anglers were being ticketed for retaining what appeared to be a hathery fish.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Then why didn't they just not write the ticket?

The discussion that I remember was OSP wanted it left to the discresion of the officer on the spot and anglers pushed for the change to remove the word "entirety" - however it happened it is a good change. Thanks Mr. King

UG

PS - Who is Mr. King?

fishnxtc · 12-07-2003, 06:14 PM

Where in the reg does it say a wild springer cannot be boated? I noticed thanks to Stew, where on the bottom of a lot of the reg pages it says "All trout,salmon and steehead that are released must be unharmed and SHOULD not be removed from the water." I guess this also goes for hatchery fish you do not retain. My take is SHOULD NOT as opposed CANNOT is just a suggest more than an illegal act. The same as UNHARMED, some native fish that are released are going to be harmed from the simple fact that they are caught on hooks. Still have not has my question answered about misclips and the regs do not really come out and say misclips are okay...........Chris

Flatfish · 12-07-2003, 06:20 PM

UG,

Steve King is in charge of Salmon and Steelhead fisheries in Oregon( I may be a touch off here. But he is THE salmon guy. He is also the one everyone blames for the gillnets).

Mark and the dog.

fishnxtc · 12-07-2003, 11:28 PM

I was looking at the new state regs and there is a new definition for adipose fin-clipped fish. "A hatchery salmon, steehead or trout with a clipped adipose fish and having a healed scar at the location of the fin.....". I think this is a change from a entirely clipped fin. Maybe some of the boys and girls in blue can help all of us this this new definition. I guess my question is partal clips good now?????????Chris

rebell · 12-07-2003, 11:39 PM

I remember reading a couple of articles saying that to be true. If I remember corectly, law enforcement officials were instrumental in getting this law changed. It had become obvious that fish were not always getting a full clip, and officials were concerned that anglers were being ticketed for retaining what appeared to be a hathery fish.

I know I have seen partial clips over the years on steelhead. It's not hard to tell when a fish was not clipped completly. I have seen half of the adipose clipped, and it was obvious that an attempt was made to remove it. If anyone has ever helped the Tillamook Anglers with their yearly clipping, you would see that it is not as easy as one might think.