Fish guts

[Flatfish]

We cleaned some fish on the bank this weekend.Instead of doing the biologically correct thing and throw the head and guts in the water, we left 'em high and dry so all the PC ******* could see them and cry"Oh jeez how yucky!I am happy my pork chops aint messy like these fish.I am never gonna eat fish again".PETA weenies.
I thought of the thread on here as we left the scene of the crime.The crows helped conceal all the evidence.Smokers hot tonite.
Mark and the dog who ate some fish and is probably gonna get sick in the middle of duck season.

Flatfish,
Salmon poisining symptoms will appear in five to twelve days and if left untreated will kill your dog.
The symptoms are lethargy, depression, swollen lymp nodes, elevated temp. and reduced appetite. Frequently vomiting and diarreha will occur.
Keep a good eye on your dog and get him (her) to the vet ASAP if you see these symptoms.
Good luck and I hope I am wasting my time with this post.

[crabbait]

Flatfish - Don't wait for symptoms to appear. Go to your vet and get a prescription for Tetracycline. Just tell the vet or vet's assistant what happened and they will fix you up. Older dogs may not survive even a mild case.

I hope no one else's dog finds the remains. Even a drop or two of blood is enough to infect a dog.

Good luck.

[ 11-04-2002, 10:45 PM: Message edited by: crabbait ]

[ampersat]

this post brings up another point about the natural biology that occurs on the river banks. you hadn't even left the scene of the crime and the crows were already on it. down at the boat ramp at oxbow, herman the heron starts eyeing you as soon as you bring in a fish. drop anything on the bank and he'll swoop down to pick it up if you give him some room for those big wings. i'm not recommending that this become a common practice, but nature has a way of taking care of it when it happens.

[Flatfish]

Good ideas on the dog everybody.Thanks.Up to this point I have no idea how he made it without getting sick.Been lickin salmon leavings from riverbanks since he was a pup.But isn't this a one time thing and after this he is immune to it.That is to assume he heas it not.No temp indications(he really don't like for me to check,but sometimes ya do what ya gotta do...er yuk)but that don't mean anything this early in the game.Anyway,thanks.
As far as nature cleaning up after itself,well yep it sure does.Ever wonder what happens to the MILLIONS of dead wild spawning fish every year?They become compost in the river environment,or food.That simple.We all return to earth in one way or another.No fish guts in rivers.How silly.
Mark and the appears to be healthy but it is probably a ploy to mess up duck season dog.

[AtWorkALot]

Some dogs are unaffected by it. Keep an eye on him.... A course of antibiotics for him would be the safe way to go. Could be less expensive that waiting for symptoms to appear.

[ReelMcCoy]

Not sure how true it is but I was told that no all rivers have this problem. I know the Nehalem does but was told there were vary few other rivers in the area that an can get salmon poisioning from. Like I said this is just what I have been told. I have no proof. So for the safty of the animals don't test this theory.

[GutshotApe]

Fish guts are good for the river ecology. The rule against depositing offal is to address concentrations of people such as at launches, etc. (However there is a fish cleaning station at Winchester Bay, like most ports, that pipes the waste right into the bay where 1,000 seagulls and often a seal or two await dinner. I have stood there cleaning salmon and been interviewed by a uniformed OSP trooper who didn't bat an eye.). I have it on pretty good authority that OSP would not cite anyone for putting fish guts in the river if done so away from the ramp and in reasonable amounts. Leaving the guts on the bank where they could cause a problem may be another matter - depends on the situation, I guess.

[Bobby Ray]

I have a friend in Alaska that feeds his dogs Salmon all the time, and he told me that a lot of people in Alaska feed their dogs Salmon.

I always wondered about that :whazzup:

BnB

Big n,
The parasite that causes this (Neorickettsia helminthoeca) is not in the streams in Alaska.

Salmon Poisoning

[fishingfirst]

BnB,

I have wondered about the same thing, it is my understanding that the eskimos fed their dogs salmon. Is it a genetic thing, possibly they build up immunity??

Flatfish, I agree with the others, do not wait for symptoms to appear, I spent about a thousand dollars on my dog a couple of years ago after he pulled a similar stunt. My dog ended up sick after he found some trout blood. He spent about two weeks at the vets office and came very close to not making it. Also the vet here said it is a myth that the dog can only get salmon poisoning once, probably better to not take the chance.

Scott

[Bobby Ray]

Keta,

I clicked on that link and here's a Quote "The fluke leaves the snail and penetrates the tissues of salmonid fish, forming cysts" does that mean you should be able to tell if the fish is infected by looking for these cysts?

I've caught a few fish that had some weird little bumps on both sides of the fish maybe that's what they were.

Has anyone seen these little bumps?

BnB

[Firedog]

My Dog is on antibiotics right now for Salmon Poisioning, 21 days wrth we are right in the middel of. Second time this year, she is 11 and made it this long without ever eating salomn how I dont know :smile:

The fluke that causes this is only on in Oregon and Wa. From what I have been told. I was also under the impression that this is a one time thing like Chicken Pox in people but the Vet said no. Can happen over and over again. Catch it early because if you wait for all of the symptoms it can get messy, vomit, diareha. I was lucky we noticed that she had quit eating and wasnt her usual lab happy self and took her in. I knew she had eating some old rotten salmon of the bank ( Had Spawned and Died) thought maybe it was old enough to not effect her. Not so. She had a 106 temp and was a day away from getting really sick. Good luck

Big n,
The flukes are small.

Nanophyetus salmincola

Miss B,
There are two strains of these bacteria that can kill dogs.
My source says sometimes dogs will develop an immunity to it.

[ 11-05-2002, 01:06 PM: Message edited by: Keta ]

[RogueFishr]

my lab was exposed at 7 months old. Took him to the vet 2 days later and they took a stool sample and confirmed he had it. Started the antibiotics and he never got sick. The vet said *most* dogs won't get it a second time, but to watch closley if I know he was exposed again. He has been exposed many times since and never gotten it again. Best advice is to get him checked if he was exposed for a first time. The vet told me the odds of a complete recovery are a lot better the quicker it is caught (before they begin the vomiting).

RF

[Firedog]

Miss B, Just going on what the vet told me last week. I was under the same impression you were. Had actually contemplated letting my dog have Salmon when she was younger to avoid all of this. She was exposed twice this year first time I knew she had eaten fish so we took her in right away, never showed and symptoms put put on antibiotics to be safe. Second time I knew she had eaten what was left of and old spawned out springer up at my place on the Kalama. Thought that it was old enough and rotten enough it wouldnt effect her. I was worng this time after a week she started showing symptoms. So just to be safe I will always keep my dogs away from fish and if they do eat it keep a close eye on them. Like I said I thought it was a one time thing also, so just error on the safe side and watch your dog for symptoms even if they have already had it.

[FSH4EVR]

My Lab got salmon poisoning as a pup and had a real tough time kickin it but never had to deal with it again. I know he got into salmon after that. Dont know if it is true that they are immune after but heard it is a real lousy way to die so best to be carefull.

[Miss B Haven]

firedog - I don't want to argue with advise from your vet, but this is contrary to everything I have ever heard. I have always been told that all the farmers on the coastal streams take their young dogs and salmon them on purpose, then give them the antibiotics. It gets them over it for life.
If that's not true you would think there would be a serious shortage of dogs on those dairy farms down there! :shocked:
Keta - Opinion? :whazzup:

[WP]

When one of my dogs got salmon poisoning, the vet treated all three profalactically and told us that it is a one time thing USUALLY...sort of like mumps, it can happen again and we should avoid exposure but that a second episode is unlikely. Cooked fish is not a risk though!
WP