Owner hooks

Corkie Monster · 11-04-2002, 10:37 AM

Was just wondering if there is a certain technique to using Owner hooks. Just about every fish I've hooked with Owner, Ive lost. Is this the hook, or could there be another reason. Does anyone else have this Problem?

Corkie Monster · 11-04-2002, 10:38 AM

Oh, one more thing, the Owners I'm using are the Cutting points.

First Bite · 11-04-2002, 10:53 AM

What are you fishing for and what size hook are you using?

Mark

The Fishing Geek · 11-04-2002, 12:22 PM

The Owners are great hooks, and after bending some other 2/0 hooks on silvers this year I have decided that it will be Owner Only from now on.

Considering everything else I spend on fishing, I can afford to change hooks when my cutting points get dull.

BUGLEMAN · 11-04-2002, 12:27 PM

I am not conviced on the cutting point but I love the shape of the hook. Try the needle points. I swear by them. My drift fishing success really went up after switching to them although, I was bound to ride the learning curve up one day or another. The needle points are very sharp, durable and very resharpenable. Just don't tell any one :smile:

O'City Fisherman · 11-04-2002, 12:35 PM

I use owners when drift fishing and I use Mustad when running plugs. I have not lost any fish this year. I am going to try the Mustad this winter to see how these work while drifting also. Good luck to all.

Dragfreedrift · 11-04-2002, 12:37 PM

I have had better luck with the needlepoints on drift tackle. But when it comes to jigs, the cutting points are unsurpassed!

Both Gamakatsu and Owner work well in my opinion....I batted .850 last year on my hook t o land ratio!

husker · 11-04-2002, 01:00 PM

i tried gami's on my k-fish....lost 3 fish......never again.....owners all the way.....gami;s fish bite fish off.....

owners fish bite fish stick fish on

wetaline · 11-04-2002, 01:07 PM

First cast - i'm not sure what the model numbers are on them .. they're 1/0's and 2/0's trebs and i beleive 1x ... Looking at them, they look like wonderful hooks - but man I cannot get anything to stay on them - I guess I'd just prefer to keep using my Gami trebs.

Its funny though, i had lost several fish (8 - 9) on the owner trebs in a 3 day period .. got all ***** about it, stopped using them for a month, decided that it was rediculous that it had anything to do w/ the hooks cause everyone else loves them.. so I used one again for one day, lost two more fish... and thats enough of that. :smile: most likely bad bad luck while using those paticular hooks, just wish i hadn't bought so many.

how about Mustad Ultra's? anyone have anything to say about those....

wetaline · 11-04-2002, 01:10 PM

husker - want to make a trade? anyone else? i'll trade my Owners (1/0's and 2/0's in 1x) for any unused gami trebs size 2 - 2/0.

husker · 11-04-2002, 01:41 PM

sorry dont have anymore gamis.......but i would have traded

STEELHEADHOUND1357 · 11-04-2002, 01:54 PM

owners kick ass

Jettin' Fool · 11-04-2002, 03:34 PM

I put Owners on all my Kwik Fish. I use braided line ande one thing I did learn was to set the drag really loose. With braided lines no stretch I was losing alot of fish. A loose drag will let the fish take the plug and turn around easily. Then put your thumb on the drag and Fish on! Its not going anywhere

Fool

Flatfish · 11-04-2002, 03:44 PM

I have used Owners in the past for Diver and bait and had terrible results.Don't know why but could not get one to stick.Madwizard has had the same problem in the same application.My best guess is the hooks were actually sticking in the fishes mouth on the way down so when i tried to set the hook it would not get anything or at the most a few headshakes and then gone.Weird.We were using no 2,1 and 1/0s and .Went back to gammies and Eagle Claw(I know I'm cheap,but they work)and have no complaints.Not sure which series we used but they were sharper than I can make a hook with a file.The points were so fine they would actually fold over when they get wedged between rocks and it was tough to resharpen them.Stil using Gammies til I can find a so snag application for them Owners.
Mark and the wildly spinning dog.

6horsekicker · 11-04-2002, 03:59 PM

I have landed 4 steelie's in the last couple of trips using the First Cast Jigs, every fish hooked them self and the owner hook was burried through the nostrol vent in the nose of fish :shocked: These are the sharpest hooks I've every used.

-6Horse

bigfishon · 11-04-2002, 04:07 PM

Owners all the way and nothing else as long as their being made. I Use 80Lb toughline and 50Lb mono leader (Gammi's go straight on the hookset) Owner's are meathooks plain and simple. Want meat on the table buy owners, want a few extra $$$ in the pocket go ahead and buy them cheap Gammi's & others. As for setting the hook to hard??? I dont think so, I drive it to em when I set the hook if I don't hook up thats MY fault not the hooks, when the hook bends out straight or just breaks that is a bad hook (Gammi's). No trash on my line, Owners all the way to the bank.....

[ 11-04-2002, 05:28 PM: Message edited by: bigfishon ]

Full Freezer · 11-04-2002, 04:24 PM

Caught plenty of big fish this year on Owner's. Last year wasn't so good -till I figured out I was sharpening them wrong by filing down the cutting edge. Now I'm careful to sharped that cutting edge on both sides. They seem to work better now. Still use gammi's though.

Tillamook Slugger · 11-04-2002, 07:01 PM

Owner cutting point hooks may be the best new fishing tackle item introduced in my lifetime. I fish a significant amount of time in saltwater for salmon and they do not lose any of their qualities. I have never attempted to sharpen one, if for some reason it gets dull - toss it. I've used Owners for two weeks in saltwater, retying them as necessary and they don't lose their point. Gami's last a day or so before the corrosion starts. Mustad stainless are had to sharpen to a needle sharp point. Mustad 92553 are cheap but have broken on me. For what you spend on fishing, the investment is minimal. I went with 6/0-7/0 for fall chinook this year and have not had one fish come unhooked, and usually even a small bite turns into a fish on. Hook your herring correctly (email me if you want my technique). Let the fish EAT the herring before PULLING firmly a couple times to set the hook, no need to 'jerk'. Best hooks ever made.

rob allen · 11-04-2002, 07:21 PM

This is kinda funny in my opinion and it is something i am noticing more and more..

I have caught steelhead on about every hook imaginable and I have hooked and lost fish on just about as many hooks. I have gone spells where using excellent hooks i have lost many fish in a row and have done the opposite with horroble hooks..
Fact is no matter what hook you use no matter how sharp it is no matter what size it is sometimes fish just come unbuttoned. Sometimes lots of fish in a row come unbuttoned.
quite frankly I don't think it matters a hill of beans what hook you use as long as it is appropriate for the situation and you keep it reasonably sharp.
fact is it doesn't matter what rod what reel what line or what hook you use.. if you know what your doing you'll hook fish. and even if you do know what you're doing sometimes a lot of thoes fish are gonna come unbuttoned. Is it the brand of hook you use?? Not likely!
relax buy what you like and go fishing

Salmonator · 11-04-2002, 07:27 PM

Rob, I agree with what you said to a point (no pun intended). I can't remember hooking fish straight through the jawbone with certain brands of hooks. I can recollect several with cutting points. If I only hook one or two fish in a day, I like my odds better of taking home fish with the owners.

Miss B Haven · 11-04-2002, 07:29 PM

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Gotta agree- I fish the same dang type of hooks all summer and some days they seem to all come off and some days you just can't lose one! Some days it's one rod the next day it's the other rod (same hooks, same set up etc). Some day's they're shallow, some days they're deep. Some days they bite and some days they don't. I think the fish and luck have a lot more to do with it than the type of hook. We'll probably get killed on here for this but it's JMHO.

graybeard · 11-04-2002, 07:31 PM

Speaking of hooks: I bought a bunch of Gamakatsu (sp) red hooks. I've never had troubles before with hooks straightening out, but have had 2 of these straighten out enough that I pulled the hook out. I reel in and find a bent hook. Has anyone else had this problem? I was only using 12 lb test Maxima line.

WaterDog · 11-04-2002, 08:23 PM

For tidewater bobber'in this year I used both Gami's and Owner cutting point's. I'd fish one hook until I lost it on a stump, then put on the other. Didnt notice the difference in loss ratio. Both about equal. I've used mustad hooks and they work to. Some hooks just need a file more than another.

First Bite · 11-04-2002, 08:24 PM

The majority of my time spent on the water is float fishing and since I've changed to Owner hooks, my hook up to land ratio has been incredible. I use cutting point jig hooks for salmon and last fall we hooked and landed every single fish we set the hook to. I've never done that before with any hook. If there is a better hook on the market I haven't seen it.

Mark

bigfishon · 11-04-2002, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by graybeard:
Speaking of hooks: I bought a bunch of Gamakatsu (sp) red hooks. I've never had troubles before with hooks straightening out, but have had 2 of these straighten out enough that I pulled the hook out. I reel in and find a bent hook. Has anyone else had this problem? I was only using 12 lb test Maxima line.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">That is why I won't use a Gamakatsu hook anymore, their junk.

rob allen · 11-04-2002, 08:58 PM

I have never had a problem with Gamies personally but that is precicely why I don't buy in large quantities from the same source. you never know when you might get a batch that was simply mis manufactured and if you buy 100 of them as opposed to 10 you are stuck with bad hooks longer. Never had a gamie bend out Not even while plunking in the columbia pulling against 2/0 with 40# chameleon and a lamiglas sturgeon rod.

MasterCaster · 11-04-2002, 08:59 PM

Gamakatsu hooks are top of the line in my book! I have also used Owners cutting point hooks this last spring for the first time and I lost more fish on them than I did on the Gami's. I have never had a problem with the Gami's bending out on a fish. I used to use alot of Eagle Claw and Mustad hooks but got sick of sharpening them right out of the package. Now I spend the extra $$$ and buy Gami's.

Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

graybeard · 11-04-2002, 09:01 PM

Thanks bigfishon, I suspected as much.

PapaHog · 11-04-2002, 09:39 PM

Owner cutting point

6/0 under bobber for the hogs in tidewater works great for me. [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

crabbait · 11-04-2002, 10:04 PM

I am not certain but I think it has to do with technique. For bobber fishing, I use nothing but Owner Cutting Points and we do not loose fish if the person on the rod at the bobber down will only SET THE HOOK!! I mean drive it. I'm talkin slam some steel!

On the other hand, a lot of the steelhead fishermen I fish with use the standard take-up-the-slack sweeping hook set. Seems to work with needle point #2 to 1/0 steelhaed hooks. Not so much for concrete headed fall chinook using 6/0.

husker · 11-04-2002, 11:00 PM

owners hooks = dead fish

SLEDDER · 11-04-2002, 11:19 PM

I swear by owners. If you are using a braided line with no stretch, you may be setting the hook to hard. The cutting points go deep into cartilege, also thumbs. :shocked:

AtWorkALot · 11-04-2002, 11:20 PM

I agree with Husker. I lost a ton of fish in August/September with some "other" hooks. Switched to Owner Cutting Point 6/0 and haven't lost one since.

wetaline · 11-04-2002, 11:20 PM

I've got about 4 packs of owner treb's that i refuse to touch again... i've lost so many fish with them that i cant force myself to use them anymore - I feel like the Pro-owner guys on this board are pulling a practical joke on me or something ... ha ha.. not funny! Honestly I've lost over 10 fish on owner trebs this summer/fall - and flat out refuse to use them anymore - back to gammi's....

wet

fishing is life · 11-04-2002, 11:26 PM

personally i dont think owner and gammi have different fish catching abilities. i do think like first cast jigs said that the wrong size hook could be a problem. i think the key is a sharp hook and i rarely will reuse hooks. i save my old hooks to use when i go some where that is really snaggy.

Salmonator · 11-04-2002, 11:27 PM

Sounds like there's a problem with something besides your hook. It seems sometimes that it's impossible to lose a fish with a 6/0 cutting point. I started replacing my tadpollie and hotshot hooks with cutting point trebles and saw good results last winter.

fishing is life · 11-04-2002, 11:30 PM

another problem could be the way you are fighting the fish. we are talking about salmon and steelhead and sometimes you just lose them plain and simple.

First Bite · 11-04-2002, 11:31 PM

wetaline

What version of Owner trebles are you using?

Stinger-31
Stinger-36
Stinger-66
Stinger-41

The Stinger-41 trebles are standard replacement for a lot of Kiwkfish and plug users.

Mark

smoky · 11-04-2002, 11:32 PM

Caught my first Chinook on a bobber last week using an OWNERs for the first time.

Put that 6/0 hook all the way through his nose!

I was going to switch my Trebles to OWNER also.

Lets hear it from the rest of the board.

SKP · 11-04-2002, 11:36 PM

A couple of years back, I switched to 6/0 Owners for bobber fishing. I lost more than I landed, so I switched back to 6/0 Gami's. Last year, I landed the vast majority of downers. This spring, I was 7 for 7, and this fall, 4 for 5 on Gami's.

I'm sticking with what sticks - GAMI'S!!! The owner points loose their point faster. However, you can sharpen the Owner's. If a Gami gets dull, it gets replaced, since they don't resharpen well.

SKP

fishinbuddy · 11-05-2002, 01:19 AM

I haven't lost many fish on owner hooks. They are very sharp and do a good job sticking those big hogs. Though I did bend one on a 25lb chinook on sunday. I supose when you fish a braided line and a 40lb leader, you really put a lot of pressure on the hook. Haven't lost any big fish on them yet. Great hooks, one of the best on the market.

lucky man · 11-05-2002, 05:00 AM

switched to owners using 50# braided line and tight drag landing 30 and 40 pound chinook once hooked they stayed hooked. :smile: Didnt like gami mooching rigs.

Rip-a-Lip · 11-05-2002, 05:42 AM

From my experience Gamis are the way to go. I too switched to Owners for a little while and trouble losing fish. I have had 2 packages of "bad" Gamis though. They had tended to start bending when you really needed to put it to a fish in the fast water. Both of the bad packages had mutiple bad hooks in them, I think they are just bad batches. Owner hooks are a little thicker than Gamis which is likely why some people love 'em and some don't. If you get a reaaly good crack on the hookset, everything should be fine, but if you get one of those hooksets where you don't quite get to the end, the Gamis prolly penetrate a little deeper. I usually use undersized gear which is why I like Gamis.

BOTTOM LINE - If you don't have confidence it, don't fish it, period ! Only fish gear you have confidence in and your fishing experience will be much more fun. You can't spend all day doubting your gear.