Displaying of game or fish improperly

[1eyed]

I am not sure if I should post this on the other page or not, but oh well.

I just wonder why some people have to display their kill for all to see. I was coming home from elk hunting and like every year I see a few people with elk heads strapped to the front of the bumper or strapped to the handlebars on the ATV. All of these vehicles had plenty of room in the bed of the truck just to set the head in the back, you would still see the antlers, but not a elk head with his tounge sticking out at you while you drive down the road.

It doesn't bother me to much, I've been hunting since I was 7, but all the kids and moms driving down the road don't like it. I just wonder how long it will be before we have all these people trying to stop hunting and other activities because they don't like what they think is cruel to animals.

Last year I actually saw a guy driving in town with a Salmon Head slammed on his 2" ball receiver with the mouth wide open looking at you. Whats the big deal, its a salmon, why display it this way.

I know we will all probably disagree on this subject, hope I didn't open a can of worms here, I just wanted to vent a little.

[graybeard]

I agree 1eye, I started noticing this when I was a kid. Elk & deer tied across the hoods, heads proudly displayed on bumpers. I always thought they were just knuckledraggers bragging, without concern for women and kids that are horrified from it. And they probably wonder why PETA has a following.

[Bounty Hunter]

I'd wouldn't do it otherwise, but if you say it'll tick off the PETA people then I'm all for it.

To me this is the same thing as the people who whine about those poor chickens in their tiny little cages zooming down the freeway and are upset about it at work just long enough to cry to one of their fellow co-workers start your day off bad too. Meanwhile come lunchtime, guess what they're having...

[SandySteel]

It's a macho thing akin to doing a touchdown dance. I say if you score that touchdown act like you've been there before and show a little class and be humble about it. Some folks have little personal esteem so they have to pump themselves up by acting like they have really accomplished something by blowing away an animal or catching a fish. It shows little respect for the wild animal. Of course for some guys it's all about them and not about the fish or the game.
I don't know if we should stop because we are offending someone though. This smacks of political correctness. Unfortunately, our sport attracts some real macho jerkwads.

[fish_on]

If mothers and children find it offensive, I would do it double I am so tired of others trying to manke me be politicaly correct and plain. The hunters are proud they want everyone to see thier vicotry and rightfully so.

[Wally02]

Great Topic,
I have thought about this before and have come to a conclusion. People that have to brag about their hunting or fishing abilities usually have their own shortcomings. Either they are not really that good of a hunter fisherman ( myself included ) or they have some definite insecurities of their own. I am with the guys above that it doesnt show any respect to the animal, tying it's head to a bumper. eat it, use it however, but do it with respect.

And just to add, not all those people who complain about those little chicken coups, are hipocritical. I eat free reange chickens and my wife is pretty much a non- meat eater. I do agree with you however there are alot of people out there that are very hipocritical...... ( ie, dont shoot bambi, later going home for a nice T-bone steak)

Something to think about......

[sliverslinger]

[img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img] you guys that say that you would do it more if it would **** them off are just asking for trouble. I am a hunter and I do not hang my game or fish off of my vehicle for others to become upset with. Please be considerate of others who are looking at what some of us are doing. They may make it a law that they cannot be displayed at all, including pics. Just my opinion.

[graybeard]

fishon
Don't get me wrong, I'm a cattle rancher, so I know about PETA. I don't want to pour more fuel on their fire.

Is it political correctness to eat with utensils instead of your hands? Not fart at the dinner table? Wear Clothes? Or is it just good manners?

Why not put the head of your elk, deer or salmon on a stick and march in the parade this spring?

[Mojo]

There are many people in this world that do not like hunting and fishing. I am NOT one of them. I will not give them any ammunition they need to help them outlaw hunting and fishing.

I have great respect for the animals I hunt for and the fish I catch. I believe it is bad Karma to disrespect them. I am proud when I get something, but I'm not going to flaunt it such that I upset someone else.

[Flatfish]

No matter where you go,someone will offend you.No matter what you say,you will offend someone.
That said I don't dislike commercial fishing much. And I don't blame gillnets for the times i don't catch fish.
My dog likes crippled ducks better than dead ones cause he has to work at it to catch them.I like to watch my dog fetch cripples better, but I feel bad cause the bird didn't die as fast as it could have.My dog is a conservation tool.
I killed a doe this year and so did my wife.We both want to get tags next year so we can do it again.
Mark and the Midnight Feathered Express.

[DanS]

Very well put graybeard and Mojo.

I guess it's just a matter of courtesy.......even to people who can't stand to look at a dead animal but have no problems eating one.

[mudsucker]

silverslinger said it all..I to hunt and fish but i have never and will never hang any game animal out for display for any reason, it's just not in good taste in my opinion. Take pictures and have them to show you friends or whoever wants to see them, but don't disrespect your catch by displaying it that way. Just my thoughts and my opinion..

[ 10-28-2002, 06:37 PM: Message edited by: mudsucker ]

[MasterCaster]

ok one more try.... I posted to this once but it never showed up :whazzup:

I dont understand why people think displaying the animal is disrepecting it.

If someone has a mount done is that also disrespecting the animal? I dont see much of a differance.

I dont have any problem with people showing off their "catch" be it a big game animal or a nice fish. I enjoy seeing all the nice racks that are going down the roads during hunting season. Its a good feeling to know there are others out and about enjoying the thrill of the hunt.

Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

[ 10-28-2002, 07:06 PM: Message edited by: MasterCaster ]

[MountainLion84]

My son was recently taking his hunter safety course, and we discussed the topic. I used to display heads on the front of the truck and such, but times have changed. I told him that people on our side of the fence will not change their feelings, the folks on the PETA side will not change their feelings regardless of what we do. It is the people on the fence that you have to consider. They may not feel one way or the other, but when they cast their vote on a hunting issue someday, they may think "those hunters we saw out on I-84 were kind of barbaric with those elk heads, I think I'll vote against them." That's where the difference will be made.

[riverrat]

the taking of a life through sport is honorable. a privelage and animals or fish should not be displayed disrespectfuly......not because of what other people think or how they react, but out of respect to the animal or fish harvested......they were alive living in a forest or swimming in the ocean and it should be a joyous yet humbling experience to harvest one of natures finest.......

[Rauly]

Unfortunatly there is not a truck big enough to carry the racks I get on the front bumper they are so big and heavy that the rear tires just come off of the ground. So I just put them in the bed of the truck. (long bed) :grin:

[ 10-28-2002, 07:25 PM: Message edited by: Rauly ]

[k9jeff]

Use common sence.
There is room, cover it and dont drive down the road like a bunch of toothless yeahoos. Corlyn put if very well, and I think it is good sportsmanship.

Jeff

[mudsucker]

Mastercaster, I don't have a problem with getting animals mounted, i think that great if you want to do it but hangin them on the front of your truck and driving down the hwy is not the sportsman like thing to do.

[sliverslinger]

Its not the displaying of the animals or fish, its the way that they are displayed! Great , lets just throw the elk head on the hood of the truck with all the blood dripping off and drive downtown portland. I would love to see how far you would get! :shocked: just be considerate of others, thats all. dont give them anything that they can and will use against us.
look at bear hunting with dogs or bait. They got videos from another state and showed the poor defensless animal being shot where it was eating or in a tree. now we cannot use these methods here.

[STGRule]

What corlyn said. It will be the people in the middle that will make the difference. Respect that part and don't add to the problem.

[Snapset]

I am with those who don't want to offend. There are a lot of fence sitters out there, and it wouldn't take much too much to push them over to the other side. It is just common courtesy. If it offended my mother or my children, I certainly wouldn't do it.

Respect for the animal has a lot to do with it, also. I am always slightly annoyed when someone hooks a beautiful fish, gets it in shallow water, and then kicks it up on to the bank.It demonstrates that he and I fish for completely different reasons.

On the other hand........
I don't mind if just a few tines stick up over the edge of the Pickup bed. The people you want to see the animal will probably approach for a closer look, and those who would be offended probably won't even recognize it.

[Flatfish]

It is a sad day when a voter NOT a biologist makes decisions that affect the animals in Oregon(and elsewhere)..It happened with bears and Couger.Wonder who is next on the list?You and me?Sit there,don't be involved in politics and see what happens.
:whazzup: Mark and the dog.

[crabbait]

Sometimes, I would love to offend. I would love to take the whole hide, head and all, and drape it around my shoulders and go walking around the biggest "politically correct" hangout I could find while eating the liver raw.

These days I am able to restrain myself, for the most part. I do wish that some of these mealy mouthed mommas boys would actually have to deal with their food from the fur 'n feathers stage to the table just once.

In the interim, it is best that we enjoy our ability to fetch for the table amongst others of our kind, lest we offend the sensitivity of those less primal.

[fish_on]

Do not get me wrong. I am not one who would hang the game in the open on the road personaly I would want mine wraped in a tarp and out of the dirt. Graybeard I grew up on a 2000-acre ranch so I too know about peta and the wackos out there; but this still does not change my opinion that we can not let ourselves be bullied by those few that find everything that is not fluffy and sterile offensive. Today the issue is who is offended about being able to see a deer or elk head in the back of a pickup tomorrow it will be about the guy who has a fish on a rope next to his boat, or is cleaning it in public. This last weekend I dove for 2000 miles on roads that are used heavily by hunters and passed hundreds of hunters, we saw 3 vehicles with game that you could see I don't think we have a problem

[ 10-28-2002, 10:32 PM: Message edited by: fish_on ]

[roadsend]

Corlyn hit it right on the head. Why should we do childish things like sticking heads on the front bumper in the face of the public. These things aggravate some overly sensitive folks and turn them into PETA types who will come back to bite us in the *** when its time to vote on anti-hunting and anti-gun initiatives. I would just as soon not manufacture more enemies. We have enough already.

[AtWorkALot]

Another consideration. An elk/deer strapped to the hood of a vehicle could be a traffic hazard. I would not display an animal in such a way, but I can not resist taking a long look when someone else does. The way most people drive now, we don't need extra distractions on the highway...

[fisheromen]

What's the big deal?

I drive all over the Portland area for work, the type of urban environment where most of the type of liberals (notice I didn't say all liberals!) who would care about this live. I don't remember the last time I saw a dear or elk head on a car hood or bumper.

I think you are making too big a deal out of it. If it ads to your enjoyment of the experience the risk of offending someone is so small I wouldn't worry about it. If you are worried, take the thing off before you get to Eugene or Portland.

I've always thought it was kind of cool personally. I've never shot a deer so haven't done it myself. But if I ever got one and it had any kind of rack on it I'd probably want to put it up there. Does that make me unsportsmanlike or not respectful of the animal? Give me a break! It's called adrenaline and excitement mixed with a little desire to be cool.

And yes, don't we all want to show off our hunting/fishing prowess a little? Even some people who have a healthy self-image like peer recognition!

[kodiakfisher]

I just came back down the I-84 from my spike only season. Other than the two spikes that were visible in the back of my truck, :grin: only if you had a large truck to see over my bed even then all you would see is some antlers. I didn't see anything that could be considered offensive.

I've hunted in the Northern parts of MI and didn't see deer being tied to hoods, I've also hunted deer from my property in WA and never have I seen deer displayed disrespectfully. Does it still happen probably is it a big problem no. I think the fence arguement is one that if presented to someone that was being disrespectful to animals or fish would probably understand and take care of the problem this is our responsability as sportsmen. Just like when bobber fishing and someone starts throwing spinners, explain the situation and things normally straighten themselves out.

So of all the hunters that went east in the last two weeks lets say of that number lets use 10000 10% were successful and of that 10% (1000) lets say 5 people displayed something disrespectful this would be 1/2 of 1% and if you think about it this is probably a high estimate. With these estimates I would have to guess we are not looking at an epidemic but a few that may be lacking in tact and consideration for others. I don't know of any law that requires tact and consideration, maybe there should be I don't know.

Seems to me we could be putting our time and effort into something more useful. Teaching kids how to hunt responsibly, teaching a hunter safety course, or helping with habitat restoration. I believe in the ODFW regs in talks about proper and improper ways to transport your game.

stepping off the soapbox now

Kodiakfisher

[TundraIII]

Mastercaster, No difference between a beautiful wall mount and the bleeding head of an animal with it's tongue hanging out strapped to the bumper of a vehicle? If you honestly think there is no difference park your vehicle with its bloody head attached to the bumber in a grade school parking lot or a grocery store parking lot. You put a child in front of a wall mount and bumper mount and while he's petting the wall mount, I'm sure that child could explain to you in very simple terms as to why he isnt going near your vehicle.

[Myles]

Around hunting roads, so what. I wouldn't do it but if someone else does so be it. I might have done the same when I was younger. Around town is just bad judgement, for all the reasons mentioned.
People don't want to know that meat isn't manufactured in the back of a grocery store. I blame it all on Disney!!!
You can't change peoples mind by hitting them over the head. Espcially when their head is implanted rectally.
Don't give the animal rights groups or anti-hunters any more ammo, they have alot of money for political agendas and the public in general is pretty gullable.

myles

[GutshotApe]

Maybe not in Portland, but in other Oregon towns & cities you can still see frequent public displays of dead animals on hunting rigs. When I lived in Eugene a guy up the street seemed to get a deer almost every year. He liked to tie the head onto his spare tire rack on the front of his Blazer (which was also his daily go-to-work car) and leave it there for several weeks until it began to really stink.
He was not receptive to suggestions that he was hurting the image of hunters. This was a "yuppie" neighborhood in a "yuppie" town and that guy likely resulted in dozens of PETA converts. :depressed:

[PeterMac]

I see it this way, it's easy to explain the behavior. It is a testosterone thing. You've been out in the woods for days, campfires, commaraderie, dirt, etc etc. You want to pound your chest a bit. You were succesful, a proud hunter/gatherer. Anyone that hunts that says that they don't get that feeling better do a gender check.

Now, should you disrespect the animal by displaying it in that manner? - I don't think so. We have come a long ways in the last 150 years..... Heck, maybe they should have flags that you fly on your antenna, like they do for marlin on a boat!

PeterMac

[Hogmaster]

I too, share corriod's view on this.

It is one thing to be exuberant about the success, but just like when you come from deer camp you tone down your verbose language and innuendo, it is time to show a little restraint.

Having a tine showing is one thing, a bloody stump of any body part is another. I have had people (non-fishermen) who love fish get grossed out over a bleeding gill picture. Why agitate the masses?

Whether we like it or not we better acknowledge that our actions will make or break our futures. Times have changed and will continue to. I want to hunt, and do not hestitate telling people I do. But just like you don't want to see someone's dirty underwear, show some class and respect and don't go showing off your body parts as a sign of machoism. Just draws the wrong attention to the matter is all.

[mallard0311]

I think that this is just a macho thing to do for those that like to bragg about their kill. I wish the deer and elk could shoot back to make it more interesting. The PETA people have already won. They used Multnomah, Washington & Clackamas counties to carry the vote for banning baiting bears and hunting Cougars with dogs. We don't have a lot of Cougars and bears yet roaming downtown Portland. Untill this happens it will be hard for the small counties throughout Oregon to have a say. It is ashame that the Portland area carries the vote on any Oregon issue. The voters with the bear and cougar problems don't have enough voter's to challenge the three big voting counties. It is usually the hunter's from this Tri County area that like to show off their kill. If you notice it is usually a small guy in a big truck.

[Troutinator]

Showing reverence and respect for the land and the animals I harvest are a part of how I approach the "outdoors experience". And it is why I choose not to fish or hunt with many people. All too many see it as some macho whiz contest. Which I have invariably found to be reflected in other behaviors they display.

Personally, I find it disgusting. It degrades the sport and provides ammunition to the anti's.

[MasterCaster]

TundraIII......"Mastercaster, No difference between a beautiful wall mount and the bleeding head of an animal with it's tongue hanging out strapped to the bumper of a vehicle?"

Well I personally have never seen a head on someones vehical that looked that bad. All the heads I remember seeing looked clean, they just didnt have the body attached. No tounges hanging out or open mouths or anything. Other than the eyes being a little glazzed over the heads looked pretty close to the same as a mount.

Also as for schools...Take that head by any school in Prineville and see what kind of responce you get. :grin: There are kids that stand out by the road just watching for the heads to go by. Same at the stores. I think thats the biggest problem now days in the "bigger cities" Kids dont have anyone to show them what hunting and fishing is all about so they dont understand or know what to think when they see something like that.

I still dont have any problem with people displaying their animals but I will add that I think it needs to be done in as clean a manner as possible. Its fine to show the head and rack but make it look as decent as you can without it being a whole animal. :shocked: :grin: :shocked:

90% of all the heads Ive seen have the heads covered and only the racks sticking out.

Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

[6horsekicker]

It sounds like most people have a problem with deer and elk. What about the fish? I don't see too many stories about fish?

Snapset, what is wrong with kicking a fish up onto the bank. If you don't have a net and you are scarred of loosing the fish that you would like to eat for dinner this can be a popular method. I would bet that many people of done the kicking the fish up onto the back in fear of fishing flopping back into the water and loosing it. Is that worse that beating the fishing 10 times in the head after you net it properly? :grin: :grin:

-6horse

[Rubber Robin]

This is one of those topics that you feel compelled to reply to because of the comments that you read. Political correctness that once again has gone too far!

First off, actually coming home with a big game animal after all the preparation and time that goes into it is frosting on the cake. It is a major accomplishment to fill your tag because these animals are stealthy and hard to locate in their habitat.

When we come home with an animal, we will have the head in the back of a utility trailer or pickup so it is easily seen. We are proud that we were fortunate enough to bag one of these magnificent animals. We respect the hunt and do not see head display as a form of disrespect. For those of you that do, well that is your own personal opinion. You do not have to do it.

We also enjoy seeing other hunters that were successful. It is a part of the end of the hunt that we always look forward to. That 5 hour drive home is made shorter by giving the thumbs up to fellow hunters that were successful. :grin:

Many American Indian tribes celebrated the hunt by wearing or displaying animal horns, heads, hides, bones or some other body part.
There was no disrespect meant and they celebrated the spirit of the animal and the blessing of having it for food and survival.

Display of the animals head by hunters on the way home is no different!!!!!!!!!!!

[Small Fry]

I know in my younger day's I was guilty! I know even some of my hunting buddies are guilty, (won't give details) But when you get that first one hey why not show it off. Looking back maybe it was poor judgement.

[fishuntr2]

I am in agreement with Rubber Robin, I will display an animals head in the back of my pickup and I definitely mean no disrespect to the animal. The meat will all be taken care of and hanging. I also enjoy seeing others that have been successful and I do feel a great sense of accomplishment when I have managed to outwit deer and especially elk. Yeah , I guess its a form of bragging but so what, I will never grow up. Besides, in Vernonia its expected......
Bob

[kodiakfisher]

Small Fry is correct I too was guilty of poor judgement and have learned from my mistakes as indicated.

It's funny pictures that you think are cool as you get older no longer seem all that cool. All we can do is educate young hunters and let them learn from our mistakes. I bet most people realize after the excitement has wore off that they made a bad decision and don't repeat it. At least I did and am considerate of others because of those sitting on the fence.

[King Kong]

When you say that it offends mothers and children you are only partially correct. I grew up in a hunting and fishing family. My mom, dad, nephews, neices and my own children get excited when they see a big bull rack in the back of a pickup. Heck, so do I. I do not think that it is appropriate to display it in a large city where it would offend many people. Driving down the Interstate or in smaller towns, ok. Most people in these smaller communities admire the harvest as much as the people that harvested the animal. I love to see all of the racks coming through Prineville at the end of the season when we are on our way back from an elk hunt. This is something that has been done for generations for those of us that were born and raised in the NW and other rural parts of the country. I would not put a fish head on my truck. That seems a little odd. Probably just a little redneck humor mixed in with some alcohol. It is a matter of personal preference! If you dont like it, tough s***.

[1eyed]

I agree that it does not offend all moms and children. My wife and I grew up in the country on farms. This is part of everyday life, but when you get into the big cities where alot of people don't know or understand that type of life, I just don't think it is very responsible of these few to display their game in this way.

I also agree that we all are very proud of our accomplishments and that getting an elk is not an easy task and yes even I enjoy looking at all the racks on the way home.

I just think sometimes we should be more aware of our surroundings.

[Fish-n-Fever]

I say if you want to display the head of an animal you harvested from a hunt so be it. I love hunting and fishing and in both there is blood and death. I would be willing to bet that most of the people who are offended by a head displayed on a vehicle either play or allow their children to play video games where there is carnage and violence of all sorts yet when they turn off that game no blood drips from the TV screen so to them its all fun and games. I would rather my kids know that when you shoot something to kill it (or catch to eat) there is blood, that it is reality not a game where everyone and everything is alive and well the next time the "game" loads. We should never rub blood and gore in anyones face that may be offended or be grossed out by it but we should also never hide the reality of what we do and why we do it. We hunt to kill an animal to eat and we fisherpeople for the most part fish to catch fish to kill and eat simple as that. Maybe some people display their heads for the same reasons many of us wear hats that say Northriver or Willie, whatever the maker of our boats/guns/rods/reels/vehicles are. I am not ashamed or embarrassed of the fact that I love hunting and fishing nor will I hide or apologize for doing it. If you are hunting or fishing and are ashamed of what you do or feel the need to defend doing so then maybe you should take up golf. People who are true hunters and fisherpeople know exactly why they do what they do and know what the sometimes harsh reality of of getting to the end result encompasses. No matter how one would choose to display his kill it would offend someone somewhere. It isn't our job to judge or name call those who choose to do things differently than we do.
Ron

[1eyed]

I agree with ya Ron (Fish-n-Fever), I quess sometimes what I write is not exactly how I am I thinking it. Sometimes it hard to put it on paper.

All I know is that my elk horns and meat where just sitting in the bed of my truck, covered with a tarp. While I did see a few out for display on the way home. I was trying to get stuff unloaded at home and was getting funny looks and a few muffled comments by some of my neighbors. I guess it just ****** me off a little.

[MasterCaster]

I think Rubber Robin and Fish-n-Fever have sumed it up pretty darn well.

If you dont like it dont do it simple as that. Just because someone likes to show off a little doesnt mean they are any less of a sportsman or have any less respect for the animal than anyone else.

Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

[ 10-29-2002, 06:05 PM: Message edited by: MasterCaster ]

[fish_on]

Nice to see some people standing up against political correctness, I felt as I had left Oregon for the weekend and came back to find California in it’s place.

[STGRule]

Really, it isn't political correctness, basicaly your crass or your not. If it's political correctness it started 40 odd years ago when my father taught me that. As somebody who grew up playing with the food while it was alive and then eating it when it was butchered (and helping in the process) I am well aware of where my food comes from. I am also well aware of crude when I see it. Heads on the front of trucks and fish heads jammed on trailer balls are just crude. Nothing anybody can say will change that fact. You can justify it all you want, crass is crass.

[graybeard]

Well, let's see if we can sum up this thread.

We have group A; that would like our fellow sportsman to show some intelligence and class and think a little in the future as to not ruin it for the rest of us and our children.

And we have group B; that doesn't care what others think of them don't care about the future of the sport and might even do things on purpose just to make others angry.

I wonder which group the snaggers, poachers, litterbugs and vandals would be in?

[fish_on]

So graybead, anyone who doesn’t agree with you is a snagger, poacher, and vandal!!! I don't agree with you and am none of the above. You want to talk about things that are offensive; I take full offense to that allegation!!

[graybeard]

Reread my post, I did not say that. I was just wondering which group they would be in.

Seems to me that it is the same mentality. Me first and to hell with everyone else.

greybeard,
I would tend to suspect "B"
Displaying game and fish this way shows disrespect to the animals. Kill them quick and don't waste.

[Taylor's viewpoint]

I would agree with fishhunter2. There are places where it is far more accepted to show off your trophy. There is a big difference in Vernonia and I-84 going through Portland. What I have seen in Vernonia is hunters bring the animal into town to show off and then it is gone. They dont keep parading through town for 3 days. My son-in-law would parade his trophy through downtown Portland in an effort to **** people off. We dont hunt together any more.
TV

[nsantiam]

Although only a small fraction of successful hunters display their animal on the front of their pickups, but they drive back to civilization on a very busy highway. Just remember that when these idiotic ballot measures come up for a vote, the only exposure alot of these people will have had to hunters is seeing that animal on the hood of someones truck. How they will vote is unknown, but why push our luck. Is it right or wrong?? Let's hope the voters don't ever get a say in it.

[King Kong]

I will try this again. My first response must have been edited... Oooops. I would say that you are only partially correct when you say that mothers and children would be offended by seeing a deer or elk head proudly displayed. I was born and raised in Oregon. Raised in a fishing and hunting family. My entire family, brothers, neices, nephews, cousins, aunts, uncles etc.etc.etc admire a big rack, elk or deer, when it is displayed in the back of someones truck. It is something that you should be proud of. The hard work, long hours of scouting, and the absolute thrill of successfully harvesting a bull elk is something to be proud of. This is something that hunters have done for generations. If you dont like it stay in the big city, or move back to California.

[STGRule]

I'm pretty sure we're not talking about the back of the truck.. The "discussion" was about the crass part.

[crabbait]

Greybeard - Your post could easily be construed as inflamatory. I will assume that you were not trying to inflame people or incite people to reply with anger.

In response to your question, poachers, snaggers, et al, always cover their game, sometimes going as far as putting that extra deer under the wood pile in the trailer that follows them home.

Just because some people have different sensibilities as it relates to the display of game does not mean that they are not lawful people. In many rural areas the practice is the norm and very acceptable.

Unfortunately, this is not the case in suburbia. I think this thread has enlightened many as to the effect of an action that they and their family might consider wholesome. Like discussions of the hunt, display of our hard earned deer or elk should be reserved for people who appreciate the animal and what the experience means to us, not the public at large.

No rock throwing. I meant it.

[MasterCaster]

STG......"Heads on the front of trucks and fish heads jammed on trailer balls are just crude. Nothing anybody can say will change that fact"

Just because thats your opinion does not make it fact.

I dont see anything "crass" about displaying you catch on the way home from a hunt.

Now leaving it there for days until it rots, I will agree that is "crass".

One other thing I dont understand is why some you think displaying your "catch" is being disrespectful to it? As long as the animal is taken care of in the field and its not wasted, I dont see displaying it as being disrespectful to it in the least.

Ill be good and not respond to graybeards
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Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

[ 10-29-2002, 09:04 PM: Message edited by: MasterCaster ]

[graybeard]

The point that I was trying to make is that there seems to be a theme in the posts by the people who want to display heads on the front of their vehicles. That theme is "I don't care" "I don't care what others think" "I don't care that it may damage the future of our sport" "I don't care that some may be horified from it" "I'm going to do it anyhow"

At some point in time a snagger, poacher, litterbug and vandal has to say the same thing. "I don't care, I'm going to do it anyhow"

[STGRule]

MasterCaster: My opinion is my opinion. Yours is yours. I have no trouble with drawing lines. I have no trouble seeing all sides of this issue having been on all sides. Being proud of what you do is only good for your ego when people you know acknowledge it. Forcing the general voting public to "just deal with it" will cause those people to deal with it without your input. I'm guessing that won't come out well for the hunting and fishing population. When I kill something I have no problem sharing it with everyone I know who will appreciate it. I also have no problem not sharing it with those that won't. And along with all the other things that are done and not done in a civilized public, I know which is which.