What would you do?

Uglygreen · 10-21-2002, 08:26 PM

Suppose your fishing below Bonneville for salmon, runnin baitwrapped quickfish behind the boat which is anchored off the mouth of Tanner creek.

You have your favorite and best fish catchin quickfish out. The rod goes down and.... CRUD, oversize sturgon is on.

Your setup is a northriver one piece plugin rod, with a penn 310 GTI reel, spooled with 30 pound berkly "big game" main line, and 40 pound maxima leader.

The oversize jumps, you can see its about a medium sized 8-9 foot big daddy, your fairly sure its hooked in the mouth.

Do you dump the anchor follow the fish and try to get him to the boat on the setup described, thus possibly retrieving your favorite quickfish? BUT knowing that a long fight will be in order on that gear, possibly breaking off the fish anyhow and for sure having a really whupped and tired out and stressed oversize at the end?

OR do you break him off and go about your business of catchin salmon? 1) losing your favoritw quickfish, and 2) possibly leaving a piece of plastic with two big galvanized treble hooks in an oversized hawgs mouth?

Opinions?

UG

skrimmy · 10-21-2002, 08:37 PM

Heck of a spot to be caught in, no pun intended! Given the rod and reel, I'd be hard pressed not to break it off. With that gear, the only way you'd ever begin to tire him out would be to push the rod to breaking point and risk losing a lot more than time and a plug. I'd have to give first thought to the fish and break it off. By the time you were able to maybe get it to the boat, it would be overly tired and stressed. That wouldn't be sporting in my book. But, dang those oversized are fun to catch!

skein · 10-21-2002, 08:53 PM

I think I'd try to work it loose, at least for a little while. I'd up-anchor and chase him for a while, pumping and pulling, not trying to tire him as much as trying to worry the hook out. I'd try slack, then pull, then move off to one side, then slack, etc. You know, all the things you *wouldn't* do if you were really trying to land him. Then, when I figured the fish (and I) had had enough, I would bear down and break off.

Don't want to kill the fish, but wouldn't want to give up without a fight.

Note that this was said at the comfort of my keyboard, without emotion or adrenaline. Might be a different story on the river.

Skein

wetaline · 10-21-2002, 09:16 PM

I'd quickly hand the rod to my fishing buddy, put on a zip line harness, latch on to the main line, slide on down to that big lipped beauty.... and ever so gently remove that galvanized treble from its lip......

- then again I slept at a Holiday Inn.

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Tacklebuster · 10-22-2002, 10:14 AM

I fully agree with Skein on this one.

Hogmaster · 10-22-2002, 10:27 AM

I would probably go ahead and try to bring him (her?) STG? up. They are tough animals and can take a lot. It sounds like it would be more of a coax job though. Might hand the rod off to an unsuspecting buddy (like Donny) and then blame him mercilessly when he loses the plug. :grin:

But it makes me wonder...

Do hooks rust out of a sturgeon's soft vacuum mouth like they do out of salmonoids? Or would it wear the plug until it festered it's way out?

5-Cents · 10-22-2002, 10:42 AM

Hogmaster,

Then you would have to tell Donny that the day was over because he lost the only $#%^&*@#@! plug that can catch fish. In fact you cant even buy that style any more. You would have to build one from scratch by cutting down an anciet redwood tree carving it yourself. This makes you so mad that you could suck gas! :tongue:

Then you would post the whole story on Ifish so when one of us actually met Donny we would have to whisper and look at him a little cross-eyed. Poor, Poor kid he can't help it. Hogmaster tries to help him out but you just can't help those that dont want to help themselves. :shocked:

Hogmaster · 10-22-2002, 10:56 AM

Nickle,

I fear you are getting to know me just a little too well! :shocked: :grin: :shocked:

Just last night Donny emailed me and threatened to actually join ifish to (attempt to) defend himself instead of just lurk, but I told him he wouldn't pass the "upstanding criteria test" that all the rest of us did!

PS - Anyone see my Alvin?

rainrshine · 10-22-2002, 12:13 PM

:shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

proguide · 10-22-2002, 12:28 PM

so anyway uglygreen what did you end up doing??

Uglygreen · 10-22-2002, 01:02 PM

I decided that I would try to land the fish... :shocked: took about 20 minutes, floated from tanner creek down to about the oak tree hole area, got the fish up, carefully got the quickfish out, (which was not in his lip, but about 8 inches back in his throat), and released the oversize.

The oversize looked fine, swam away well, and was happy enough to do a tailslap and soak my upper torso in thanks. :grin:

The quickfish, however, did not look fine, :depressed: hooks were all bent up, eye was bent, and bill was cracked.

I replaced the hooks and played with it for a while, but I dont think it will ever run straight and true again. Which is a shame, cause that little K-15 had about 20 fish to its credit. It moved to the number one spot on springers after I lost its previous first string brother on another oversize several months ago...

Now I have no proven fish killers left in the box... I guess I gotta start training a new rookie, unless anyone wants to send me a veteran? Probably not! I kinda feel like the Beavers. :whazzup:

Anyhow, I got some flak for playing the oversize on salmon gear,

but I think it was the right decision, I have trouble believing that plastic and galvanized hooks will corrode very fast, and I think the fish would have had trouble spitting out a lure with two trebles.

(Someone will probably tell me now that I need to run different hooks in the quickfish, probably a single barbless siwash on the tail right?)

UG

Sturgeon 42 · 10-22-2002, 01:17 PM

You did fine.. :grin: :grin: :grin:

4Salt · 10-22-2002, 01:44 PM

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(Someone will probably tell me now that I need to run different hooks in the quickfish, probably a single barbless siwash on the tail right?)

Just out of curiosity, what would be your reasoning for not doing this, especially during springer season, where safe release of the unclipped fish is not only good for the fish, it's the law? It has been my experience that siwash hooks hold better than trebles, and as long as you keep a tight line, the chances of losing the fish to a barbless hook aren't that much greater than with a barbed one.

Uglygreen · 10-22-2002, 02:11 PM

I knew it! - Somebody should owe me $5!

Cause I'm just not that politically correct or enviornmentally sensitive or whatever. I use them just as they come out of the box, they work better that way. I like em that way.

Sheesh.

Ive also caught salmon on quickfish with one treble hook inside the mouth and one treble hook in the side of the head as well. AND I KEPT THEM! Guess I must be half a snagger.

UG

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Tanner · 10-22-2002, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by 4 salt:

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Just out of curiosity, what would be your reasoning for not doing this, especially during springer season, where safe release of the unclipped fish is not only good for the fish, it's the law? It has been my experience that siwash hooks hold better than trebles, and as long as you keep a tight line, the chances of losing the fish to a barbless hook aren't that much greater than with a barbed one.

A couple years ago I discovered a real sleeper of a C&R native silver fishery that takes place starting around Thanksgiving. I actually discovered this as we were fishing for winter steelhead. Anyway, I was using wiggle warts that I had taken the stock trebles off of and added barrell swivels and size 1 siwash's. The first day out we ended up hooking several fish (more than 10). 90 percent of them were bleeders because they had eaten the wiggle wart and gotten a big siwash in the gills. The next time out I rigged up the wiggle warts with size 2 mustad triple grip trebles. Guess what? We hooked 7 fish and not a one of them was a bleeder. Everyone was hooked in the face.

I am a firm believer in trebles doing less damage than siwash.

4Salt · 10-22-2002, 03:05 PM

Tanner,

OK, seems reasonable to me. Were the trebles barbless? I happen to have experienced it the other way around, with barbed trebles doing quite a bit of damage compared to the barbless siwash. During the C&R seasons (if they're open) for wild steelhead up here, single barbless is the law so I don't really have much of a choice. I'd like to think that at least a little thought went into enacting this regulation by our esteemed WDFW (but who REALLY knows right?

) in order to keep mortality on these fish to a minimum.

Ugly,

Why are you getting all worked up? I didn't accuse you of anything, I just asked for your reasoning behind the statement you made above. A legitimate question I might add. Hell, you as much as invited someone to do it. Tanner provided a reasonable answer, I'm confused by your anger? Shouldn't we as SPORTFISHERS at least pretend to give a damn about the welfare of the fish we like to pursue?

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Miss B Haven · 10-22-2002, 03:16 PM

UG - I am not going to tell you what to do. I will tell you that I think there's going to be a whole bunch of people anchored up fishing quickfish with wraps "real deep" after they open up legal sturgeon again!

Tanner · 10-22-2002, 03:24 PM

4 Salt,
Both sets of hooks, the siwash's and the triple grips were barbless.

Uglygreen · 10-22-2002, 04:22 PM

Im not all worked up... just amused.

Those are the reasons... Im tired of fishing becoming "PC" and i think the enviormental sensitivity has gone a little far. Used to be that just the fly fishermen (oops, fisher"people") were the only elietist ones out there. Now...

If you fight a oversize sturgon on salmon gear you probably killed it...

If you hold his head out of the water for a picture you probably turned his internal organs to mush... (and deserve to go to hell)

********* are Northern Pikeminnow...

If you fish with a corkie you are a snagger...

If you fish with a barbed hook you are evil...

If you want to keep 25 tuna you are greedy...

If you anchor your boat you probably killed a thousand salmon eggs...

If you clean your fish in the river you probably just ruined ecosystem...

If you used WD40 on your K-15, same as above, plus you killed a bird and made the hole in the ozone bigger.

If you have been driving your own boat for years with never a problem, the state probably needs to teach you how.

If you bla bla bla bla... you bla bla bla... and bla bla bla some more.

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You are right, I was fishing for a comment like that... I knew if I put the right bait out there, someone would take it, hook line and sinker... and you did!

But I guess your not a keeper, so I'll have to release you unharmed.

I SAY EACH TO HIS OWN... if I aint broke, dont try and fix me.

UG

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Uglygreen · 10-22-2002, 04:34 PM

Does anyone know.... Do they still allow un-PC, enviornmentally insensitive, beer drinkin, redneck types who listin to country music to go Bass fishin?

Maybe I'll have to learn how to do that.

UG

nivtup · 10-22-2002, 04:42 PM

UG,

Relax, take a deep breath.

As far as I am concerned, you made the PERFECT CALL .

Miss B Haven · 10-22-2002, 05:43 PM

UG - I think you need to renounce your US citizenship and move to Alaska. :grin:

THey don't even know how to spell PC up there! [img]graemlins/stupid.gif[/img]

Kruechief · 10-22-2002, 07:03 PM

UG,

If you check my reply to Jen on "Tree ornaments" thread you'll see that we are on the same page.

Sometimes you wonder how the liberals got so much power. Like I said in the above post, they believe everyone has a right to free thought and speech...as long as that thought and speech fits into the liberals' agneda.

Lo

Flatfish · 10-22-2002, 07:11 PM

This is more fun than talking common sense to a liberal!Keep it coming folks.
Mark and the"If it were not for ducks,I would not be fetching ducks today" dog.

GL2 · 10-22-2002, 07:24 PM

UG
You are way hooked up on that one!!!!
I respect you speaking your mind. It rings so true to my ears!!!

Hogmaster · 10-22-2002, 07:28 PM

Careful, UG!

Soon you will be dealing with the rath of the vicious chub huggers society!!!

Nothing like a good ol' Macro-Brew!!!!

Firedog · 10-22-2002, 07:33 PM

I would break it off. Not because I think it is wrong to fight this fish. Because I would rather get back to fishing. Have tons of Kwikfish and there is another one in the box that will take fish. Now if it had been a slow day, might decide to fight the fish, doubtful though. I dont really care to fight oversize no matter what. Been there done that. Now I do feel that you can land this fish just fine on that gear. Might take a little longer than with standard sturgeon gear but it can be done.

STGRule · 10-22-2002, 07:40 PM

UG:
If you fight a oversize sturgon on salmon gear you probably killed it... Yah, there is always that possibility if you fight it too long, biological reason.

If you hold his head out of the water for a picture you probably turned his internal organs to mush... Head no, body maybe, biological reason. (and deserve to go to hell) Are you sure?

********* are Northern Pikeminnow... Yep, political reason
If you fish with a corkie you are a snagger... I hope not, thats how I fished for steelhead for years

If you fish with a barbed hook you are evil... Maybe, political reason

If you want to keep 25 tuna you are greedy... Only if you limit on tuna more than a couple of times a year, political reason

If you anchor your boat you probably killed a thousand salmon eggs... If you anchored in redds then yes, biological reson

If you clean your fish in the river you probably just ruined ecosystem... Not biological, just political

If you used WD40 on your K-15, same as above, plus you killed a bird and made the hole in the ozone bigger. A little, who knows, a lot, yes, biological reason

If you have been driving your own boat for years with never a problem, the state probably needs to teach you how.

As long as you never had a problem because somebody else covered for you, congratulations. For the rest of the idiots out there, YES, political safety reason

Brought to you by your friendly neighborhood environmentaly sensitive liberal

By the way, getting the plated-hook lure back probably did less damage than leaving it there. As for changing out hooks, at least change out to a non-plated hook of choice.

Uglygreen · 10-22-2002, 07:47 PM

STGRule

You forgot the bass fishin question....

UG

Hogmaster · 10-22-2002, 07:47 PM

Thanks, STG, for getting to my questions by implication.

You wrote "him" I thought supposedly when they got that big they all somehow morphed to females?

And the hooks don't fall out as easily as salmonoids?

Politics aside, the biological concerns are valid.

ragjr · 10-22-2002, 07:55 PM

Everybody is too worried about what the person next to them is doing to care about what there doing.

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let make a law against it all.
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you did O.K. in my book UG

STGRule · 10-22-2002, 07:59 PM

UG:
Does anyone know.... Do they still allow un-PC, enviornmentally insensitive, beer drinkin, redneck types who listin to country music to go Bass fishin?

I should think so.. They let ~PC, environmentaly sensitive, beer drinkin, non-redneck types who don't listen to country music go bass fishin

Hogmaster:
Slighty more than 50% of the oversize are female. The morphing thing is for those that read too much science fiction. The hooks tend to travel through the fish instead of falling out the mouth. I can't tell you how many fish I see with fishing line hanging out their vents. Some look okay, some don't. Usually it depends on the size of the fish. That is why I prefer circle hooks when I fish for sturgeon. They don't seen to hook anyplace except the lip.

Uglygreen · 10-22-2002, 08:58 PM

STGrule

Thanks for helpin make the point... so much of this stuff is common sense, and if people would just use their brains before turning their mouth on.

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The guys anchored next to me were fishin oversize with normal heavy gear, which was fine... no problem with that.

I was fishin salmon with regular gear, hooked up the oversize by accident. As soon as it was clear it was an oversized on the quickfish they started yellin at me to break it off. When I dumped the anchor, they yelled louder.

I landed and released the fish in nearly the same amount of time (maybe an extra 2 or 3 minutes) as they were doin it on the heavy gear, no harm no foul I figure.

I come back up and rehook to my anchor and these guys start tellin me what an ass I am for fighting the fish on that gear, and how I killed that fish etc...

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1) If I can land an oversize and release it in a reasonable amount of time and get the lure out... why not? If its takin to long break it off, but why not try?

2) getting a quick pic of an oversize fish (head only) doesnt kill it. Some of those fish have probably had their pic taken more than most people..

3) ********* are not Northern Pikeminnow...

4) whippin hooks thru fish stacked water at high velocity makes a snagger, not a corkie or a spinner or anything else. Watch a guy for about 3 casts and you will know.

5) If you fish with a barbed hook you are not evil.

6) If you want to keep 25 tuna you are greedy... not me - my friends, my relatives, neighbors, etc all want some. I can bag and distribute 25 fish. The commercial fleet gets 180,000 metric tons and the experts dont think the fishery is over fished, the stock is increasing... Ocean conditions are a much bigger factor (according to the experts) than the harvest will ever be, and PFMC doesnt reccomend even a commercial landing limit, so who the heck cares if I want to keep 25 of the silly things?

7) I dont anchor in redd or potential spawning areas...leave me alone.

8) If you clean your fish in the river you probably just helped the ecosystem... unless they lie about "nutrient enhancement", plus crawdads have to eat too. Just don't do it where everyone else has to smell or look at it.

9) If you used WD40 on your lure you didnt hurt a damn thing unless you dumped 50 gallons in the river. The exaust from your boat does a lot more damage.

10) I know how to drive my own darn boat. Make new boaters take the class if you must, but don't waste my time, I would rather just send you an extra ten bucks with my registration.

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I could be here all night on this... thanks for all the positive comments!

UG

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Pilar · 10-22-2002, 10:08 PM

Uglygreen, dude you are too funny. In my experience the guy that is quick to criticize your fishing method is probably really wondering why he did not think of it first.

Sounds like your peeler was happy and swam away to eat more quickfish another day. It's tough being in charge and you made the right decision for you and for the situation. So, you get the credit for the successful release. Sorry to hear that the sure thing plug got trashed.

As far as the tuna cracks go, I'll forgive you as we are both tuna-holics. Get involved in the rule making that is going on regarding the HMS and maybe those over educated, Volvo driving, NPR listening, politically correct types that are chronically underemployed will have an opposing viewpoint to deal with. Maybe they'll have to go and find an 8 to 5 job instead of wasting taxpayer money at the university, chaining themselves to bulldozers, attending Sierra club meetings, chasing Native whalehunters in greenpeace zodiacs or sitting in trees.

I sincerely hope you understand that my desire to change the HMS fishing rules implies that we Hemingway reading, beer swilling, drove a boat before a car, Non PC - hell ... offended by PC, carc tuna till the boat sinks types will have something to say about those rules.

Yes they are called *********. And no you may not fish for bass until NASCAR and TNN become a big deal here in Gods country.

Peace my brother.

5-Cents · 10-22-2002, 11:18 PM

Hogmaster,

Did you tell him about the drug, blood and fish biology tests he would have to take to become a member? :shocked:

What are you guys talking about, you did not have to turn your head and cough? [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img]

Kruechief · 10-23-2002, 07:10 AM

My God,

I am not just a lonely voice in the wilderness!

Lo

4Salt · 10-23-2002, 09:02 AM

Wow! Once upon a time ifish was a place where ideas and techniques could be exchanged, and methods questioned (with civility of course) without the peanut gallery comin' outta the woodwork for a good ol' fashioned lynchin'. I guess the times they are a changin'.

Ugly,

Let me state this one more time, hopefully in a manner that even a politically incorrect, beer drinkin', treble hook usin', ********* catchin' redneck such as yourself can surely understand: :grin:

I WAS NOT criticizing your actions with the sturgeon. I was merely trying to find out what your aversion to using barbless siwash hooks was, especially when other species are present that may be injured (unintentionally of course) by your use of barbed treble hooks. THAT"S ALL!

I don't think you're evil, and certainly barbed hooks are legal in certain areas. It's too bad that in your haste to post angry responses, you couldn't take the time to actually read what I posted.

And to the rest who piled on for whatever bizarre reason...

Pilar · 10-23-2002, 09:10 AM

4salt ... it still is that place.... the joke is on you.

4Salt · 10-23-2002, 09:22 AM

Pilar,

Please explain why the "joke is on me"? I'm confused. Did I not explain it clearly enough for you? I wasn't criticizing anybody, just asking a simple question. Tanner got it, why can't you?

24 on/ 48 off · 10-23-2002, 09:54 AM

Wow- Talk about a thread getting off topic... Sheesh.

--spud-- :smile:

AuntyM · 10-23-2002, 10:04 AM

More and more it seems like one must justify his or her every action when fishing.... What happened to this being a leisure activity?

The nature of these boards has started to change into soap boxes for some PC'ers personal agenda's under the disguise of beneficial exchanges of information.....

Once someone gets singled out and questioned, the beneficial exchange stops and it becomes a defense of his or her actions.... and turning forums into circuses. [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img]

Do we really want or need to be told by the PC'ers what our every thought and action should be? I would rather make up my own mind and not be propagandized all the time!

Politically incorrect, beer drinkin', treble hook usin', ********* catchin' rednecks, Stand your ground!

4Salt · 10-23-2002, 10:22 AM

Damn! Aunty, you must be part bloodhound! You sniffed me out here even, trying to forward my PC agenda! :tongue:

:grin:

Yep, I don't give a damn about anything but making sure everyone does it MY way. [img]graemlins/idea.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img]

Lame attempt Aunty, I should expect better from you.

Pilar · 10-23-2002, 10:31 AM

24 on /48 off ..... you are right. Back to 4-salts question

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Just out of curiosity, what would be your reasoning for not doing this, especially during springer season, where safe release of the unclipped fish is not only good for the fish, it's the law? It has been my experience that siwash hooks hold better than trebles, and as long as you keep a tight line, the chances of losing the fish to a barbless hook aren't that much greater than with a barbed one.

I think what UG was saying is that he was not expecting a peeler and that he did not as a rule dissassemble and rebuild fishing tackle.

If a sturgeon eats your salmon gear, all bets are off because you are not prepared to deal with it. Unlike conventional sturgeon fishing with a single octopus, barbless hook .. Salmon fishing involves multiple and yes treble hooks.

Knowing that and hooking a peeler by accident with your 932C Loomis pretty much puts you in a dillemma. If you bust off the fish swims around with all that junk in his mouth. If you fight him for hours on your too light gear you may well tire the fish beyond recovery. What a hard choice to make.

Somehow UG got frustrated with the PC he was reading between the lines in the responses he got. At that point we begin the joke part of the thread. A bait for the PC police was set out and enthusiastically taken by several folks. Can you guess who they were?

Single siwash hooks on salmon gear work and so do trebles. Hook location on the fish has as much to do with the skill of the fisher as anything else. If you let a fish slack bite you and swim up your line, he will be deeply hooked. If you set on the initial bite it will most likely be in the lip or jaw. The hook type may play into this too but I can't say I've seen any compelling evidence either way. More points is probably going to cause more damage, you would think.

I think Salmon tackle manufacturers use trebles to help out the folks who think a bite is a peeling reel. More hook points give those guys a chance to catch a fish whether they know what a bite looks like or not.

Should every fisher feel obligated to cut off hooks and replace them on store bought tackle? Most won't bother and won't even think about it. Most of the folks on this board will give a C&R fish every chance he could possibly have. They are on this forum because fishing is more than a pastime for them.

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4Salt · 10-23-2002, 10:45 AM

Thank you Pilar!

That was the kind of response I was looking for in the first place. No arguments, I just was curious as to his reasoning, that's all. Was this really that hard? Did it have to become a "joke"? Just because I may advocate barbless hooks, does that mean I'm a troublemaker? I apologize if anyone was offended by my original post, that certainly wasn't my intent. Sadly though, it has become clearly apparent that if you're not part of the "regular group" you may be subjected to this kind of treatment. :depressed:

4Salt · 10-23-2002, 12:31 PM

Just for you Aunty that will be my next crusade. PC methods of extinguishing campfires, especially in mixed company! :grin: :grin:

Seriously though, You've got my "agenda" wrong. I'm not here to make sure everyone is in lock-step with my preferred methods of fishing, on the contrary. However, I DO care about the welfare of the fish, and even though I myself fish, I firmly believe in trying to do all that I can to reduce my personal impact. :smile:

Enough on this subject from me now, I wouldn't want the other ifish members to get the idea that you and I occasionally like to argue.

:grin:

AuntyM · 10-23-2002, 01:19 PM

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I wouldn't want the other ifish members to get the idea that you and I occasionally like to argue

Always with affection dear 4Salt! At least on my part.

Uglygreen · 10-23-2002, 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by Pilar:

Somehow UG got frustrated with the PC he was reading between the lines in the responses he got. At that point we begin the joke part of the thread. A bait for the PC police was set out and enthusiastically taken by several folks. Can you guess who they were?

Amen... brother Pilar.

UG

(do I need a tag for these, whats the limit?, and can I use barbed hooks? :grin: )

STGRule · 10-23-2002, 08:28 PM

I'm pretty sure I was flossed.... No, I rose to the bait but only nibbled on that prawns tail.... Oh Oh I know, I'm a pogey!! :grin:

Pilar · 10-23-2002, 11:01 PM

After his encounter with the boys in the boat next door, UG was prolly feeling a little defensive.

Sorry if you feel like you are not part of the club, 4 salt. Actually you have done the rest of us a big favor by jolting us off the complacency thing.

Hard questions may provoke unreasonable responses. All part of the virtual fishing experience. Just kick back and have some fun with it. Hard questions need to be asked. They provoke thought and change behavior.

Thanks 4-salt!

proguide · 10-23-2002, 11:03 PM

I think you did the right thing. I dont think it would have been I good idea to have that lure stuck in his mouth for who knows how long. Those fish are tough I think we all know that. I know you can catch one thump it on the head and hang it over the side and when its time to go home the fish is active and ready to go. I would have done the same thing. Some people need to slow down and let there brain catch up to there mouth. Good luck in finding another (lucky) quickfish.

AuntyM · 10-23-2002, 11:56 PM

4Salt,

What did you expect? You must realize I have been feverishly working hard to protect innocent campfires! :grin:

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Lame attempt Aunty

I meant exactly what I wrote. Fishing is a leisure activity for many of us and I am getting real annoyed at all of the PC monitors singling individuals out for some stupid little challenges. It simply isn't neccessary. When you consider how often this keeps happening, and how often these forums have endured barbed vs barbless, your question to UG becomes more lame than anything I have posted.

Have a nice day! :grin: