ethics seem to be falling

DJFISHS2XS · 10-07-2002, 09:24 AM

I know 3 good fishermen that this year have lost or put aside there ethics all togather.
1 has started using orange jigs and leaving them sit on the bottom then linning (flossing) fish....the other 2 have went to 6 inch leader a corkie some yarn and doing the same as above. all the fish they catch seem to be hooked in the face....what do you say to these people....the jig guys (theres about 20 traveling in a pac) seem to stay together and they swear the fish are biting the catch....Im all about setting the example but dont realy want to get my @$$ kicked to prove a point.
have contacted the fish and game but they are perplexed with the jig thing....I see the end of river fishing coming. or am I just over careing.....DJ

The Fishing Geek · 10-07-2002, 10:48 AM

I caught numerous silvers this Friday (mostly bucks :whazzup: ) using nothing more than a 3/0 hook and 1�" of orangish-red yarn with some anise oil on it with the hook embedded in the inside front half of their mouth while fishing in tidewater conditions. Usually these fish were caught right after scent application, which lead me to believe that they really liked that stink on the yarn. Some folks were using Corkies as well but I noticed that I was doing better without the float.

Was I flossing them? :whazzup: I didn't think so, especially since the water was so slow and where I was pulling the hooks out.

DJFISHS2XS · 10-07-2002, 12:29 PM

depends on your leader length..but I dont think so because you also wernt using a corkie.
(My view which may be slanted), is if you put it at face level(the fishs) and set the hook every time you feel a bump, then 90% of the fish caught comes up and its stuck in the eye etc ...due to the lack of ethics???.... Ive had some people say that its not big deal due to it being a hatchery river, but some fish due spawn in the river and not the hatchery. and its just a bad thing to see...DJ

Your hook size does seem to indicate your trying to floss/snag them (no jab intended here)

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The Fishing Geek · 10-07-2002, 12:45 PM

My leaders were pretty standard at between 22-24". There were numerous instances where I'd go to bring my setup in and I'd feel tension, so I'd just pull up enough to get the fish moving and if they came up shaking their head then I'd reel down and set it, otherwise I'd let them run it out. Usually they'd lose the hook but sometimes they'd set it themselves, at which time I'd try to straight-line it off. Worse-case scenerio would be landing, unhooking, and reviving.

There definitely does seem to be a lot of intentional snagging that goes on during the fall. Maybe it's the combination of low summer waters and numbers of fish that does it. For the sake of sanity I won't delve into the ethics of snagging, as tempers flare and it's not worth it.

Everyone has their own threshhold as to what is and is not morally acceptable.

garyk · 10-07-2002, 01:04 PM

DJFish, you seem to be referring to Washington waters. My understanding it that in Washington, if the fish is hooked forward of the gills - inside of mouth or outside - it's considered legally or fair hooked.

Is this correct? If so, isn't it these very regulations that are fostering flossing? Or the jig lying in ambush on the river bottom?

The Fishing Geek · 10-07-2002, 01:32 PM

There is not currently any wording in the WDFW fishing regulations that mentions the popular "forward of the gillplate" statement. The only wording that remotely deals with that issue is on page 9, under the section "You May Not", which reads "Snag or attempt to snag fish".

While I'm not the difinitive source as to whether that forward of the gillplate wording ever was in the rules, I'll say that I've heard it used as justification for flossing for a long time. If it did exist at one time then it would stand to reason why the WDFW would remove it.

garyk · 10-07-2002, 03:17 PM

TFG, Thanks for checking the WA regulations, and I think therein lies the issue.

I believe in WA. fished hooked outside the mouth are not considered snagged, per se, as they are in Oregon. And I think that's why WA. has developed such a rich tradition of innovative, snagging techniques.

rob allen · 10-07-2002, 04:31 PM

In Washington the regs read Under "you may not" : " snag or attempt to snag a fish"

under deffinitions it say's Snag:" Attempting to take a fishwith hooks and line in such a way that the fish does not volentarily take the hook(s) in it's mouth."

That is the regulation! for a fish to be legal to keep the fish has to bite the lure or bait.
The gillplate forward is absolute BS! It has never been legal to snag floss or line a fish nor should it ever be. I don't care if a fish is going to waste better wasted than in the belly or freezer of some unethical fisherman or anyone he may give that fish to.

The Fishing Geek · 10-07-2002, 07:15 PM

Easy Rob. Nobody here said anything about allowing the snagging of fish. Now take a deep breath and relax.

willametteriveroutlaw · 10-07-2002, 08:05 PM

Flossing or lining is an interesting byproduct of drift fishing. It happens. I was drifting eggs and spinglows on a 20-25in leader on saturday and still ended up lining a hatchery steelhead. I released it. I caught 6 more biters as well though. If any of you have ever been to the kenai and fished reds you can see how deadly effective lining can be. I grew up on that river and have had to work hard to change my tactics down here to aviod that. Corkies, I have decided, are just used to get that inside of the mouth hookset. The corkie bumps off the outside corner and allows the hook to make it inside the mouth. On the russian river this summer I was putting 50-60 fish a day on the bank by sight lining them. Look at the lines of guys fishing at the southfork of the santiam w/9foot leaders and mini corks. Hook size doesn't make a difference really in my opinion.
I believe the wa definition of snag though is attempting to hook a fish anywhere other than the mouth.

KingFisher85 · 10-07-2002, 09:07 PM

This is for Rivers with the Selective Gear Rules.
Page 15 in the Washington State Sport Fishing Rules pamphlet for 2002/2003
"If any fish has swallowed the hook or is hooked in the gill, eye, or tongue, it should be kept, if legal to do so."
They have it all messed up. Right under that it says.
Snagging
"Attempting to take fish with a hook and line in such a way that the fish does not voluntarily take the hook(s) in its mouth."

MasterCaster · 10-07-2002, 09:17 PM

wilamatteriveroutlaw ......

"I believe the wa definition of snag though is attempting to hook a fish anywhere other than the mouth."

Thats what the oregon regs say, I dont think the washington regs are worded the same. I have not read washington regs though thats just what I was told. :grin:

Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

crabbait · 10-07-2002, 09:22 PM

Kingfish85 - It seems very clear to me: If the fish is hooked in the eye (from inside the mouth out through the eye) or gill (not gill plate - inside the mouth gill, so it is bleeding) or tongue (once, again inside the mouth) then the fish should be kept if it is otherwise legal to do so (like not a sturgeon or other catch-and-release-only fishery).

If someone is having a hard time understanding this it is probably because they are trying real hard to read something that just is not there.

DJFISHS2XS · 10-08-2002, 06:40 AM

Thats the amaizing thing,,,the flossers,liners, bottomed jig fishermen all swear that they are following the law and the fish are biting the lure...they travel in pacs and you can tell that deep inside they know that they are wrong because they get so affended when you point it out....DJ

The Fishing Geek · 10-08-2002, 07:42 AM

The only thing that really bothers me are the sweeping generalizations about people who fish with small floats and yarn. While it is true that there are a large number of people out there who use this rig for snagging, there are many folks who also fish this as a legitimate drift fishing setup and they're very successful at it. I'm far from a fishing expert (which is why I'm a fishing geek and not a geeky angler) but if this was a mostly-snagging rigup then it wouldn't be mentioned so often in fishing books as legitimate.

cosmo · 10-08-2002, 07:53 AM

Well somebody has to say it---I have absolutely no problem at all with people lining non-biting hatchery silvers. I'm amazed at how proficient some can become at only coming up with in the mouth hooks and more power to them. I posted this in another thread, but here it is again. If you want to have hatchery fish, you have to harvest them. If they won't bite, line 'em. No I don't believe in snagging, just lining.

DJFISHS2XS · 10-08-2002, 08:00 AM

Hey I already said this is not a jab towards your favorite method of catching fish, I too use the above set up when fishing fast moving water, and I too raise the rod tip to see if the bump I feel is a biter or a line wraped aroung a fin....but on what level do we draw the line,
I only get disapointed when I see what I "thought" were good fishermen giving up there eggs to switch to a sometimes less then honest method of getting a limit....I try to set the example, yes I did keep a king that I hooked in the eye this year. out of pitty mostly. I too think that the forward of the gill plate is BS, I have made a input to the washington fish and game department to place plexiglass covered signs that can address each action for each river that these problems are occuring at. I even offered time to help install and my fax machine to send me the topics that I would post. The problem is that fathers, uncles, grandfathers etc are passing along these practices as ligit methods to catch fish....any Ideas that anyone has or already posted are welcome. I have already been apporached with the thought of showing some of these people more accepted methods of fishing...I have done so, but the great thing about thes boards is they help me balance my convections....DJ

tailchaser · 10-08-2002, 08:29 AM

This sort of thing is nothing compared to the Napp ranch down on the elk river in another month. You want to talk about lack of ethics. This scene could remind you of the clampits and McCoys back in the day. No sort of lining is needed. One time last year I was floating by this amazing spectacle of snagging and one of them purposely moved downriver to try and cross my line with his. Unfortunately for him, I was using a spider wire and it cut his line when it tangled up with his 50 lb mono. Needless to say I pulled up a treble large enough for shark fishing with lead tied around the shank with a white cloth attached. I turned it over to the authorities, but still nothing was done.

These people have been caught gill netting the river, selling them to resteraunts, selling eggs, and even a conspiracy with the hatchery people a while back holding smolts in thier stream to get fish to come up it to capture. When they got caught about 10 years ago they had upwards of 250 salmon in possesion that night from gillnetting the river. It's almost that time of year again and my stomach gets ill just thinking about it. An absolute **** of one of our rivers.

tc

The Fishing Geek · 10-08-2002, 08:35 AM

Don't think that I was singling you out, DJ. That wasn't my intention at all. I was just making reference to past discussions that labelled the use of such tackle as only a snag rig.

Now, if anyone can explain to me the 6/0 hook with 3" of lead beneath it rigup and it's legitimacy in a small stream...

MasterCaster · 10-08-2002, 09:10 AM

cosmo....I am with you on this one. Although it IS legal here in Oregon as long as you are hooking the fish in the mouth. I feel it its a hatchery fish its meant to be caught and kept, Any LEGAL way to do so is ok in my book. Alot of summer steelhead end up being reran to death because they wont bite. If the fish is going to be eaten then take it by whatever LEGAL means you can. I always like to try and get a fish to bite. Its more of a challenge and more fun that way. If they wont hit then its time to slip the hook in their mouth.

Ive gotten alot of crap for this in the past but thats ok. Eventually there will most likely be a law to stop flossing, lining. For now though as long as its LEGAL I dont see anything wrong with it.

Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

crabbait · 10-08-2002, 09:17 AM

It may be legal but, please, do not call it fishing. The tackle may be similar but the intent is to catch fish that are not voluntarily taking the bait. In my view, that's snagging (kinda reads that way in the regs,too).

MasterCaster · 10-08-2002, 09:29 AM

General (STATEWIDE) Regulations.....Page 11 second from the top....and I quote.....
"Snagging: Hooking or attempting to hook fish other than in the mouth."

Page 10 "Angling: To take or attemp to take fish for personal use by hook and line."

Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

Thumper · 10-08-2002, 09:31 AM

Crabbait --- Actually it is fishing, just as fishing with drift nets, set nets, purse seines, gillnets, dipnets and spears is still fishing. It is all fishing, though some of us push the limits a bit more than others.

In my opinion many of the fish that we "classy" guys catch with typical boondogging gear, fly gear and even drift gear are flossed (snagged). I watched hundreds of sockeye (yep --- hundreds) snagged each year in Alaska by flyrod purists. Want to see snagging? Just head for the Oswego or Salmon rivers in upstate New York and watch the harvest take place. Guys and gals in $300 waders using $400 GLoomis rods snagging elbow-to-elbow.

Ain't life grand?

6wapiti6 · 10-08-2002, 12:04 PM

Thumper,
I grew up fishing those rivers in upstate NY (Oswego & Salmon). It was an absolute crime watching some of those fish having chucks ripped out of them. While our regs may have some grey areas, we should all be thankful that we don't have to let snaggers on the rivers legally. As for drifting corkies and yarn, heres my $.02. Great way to catch fish. Just learn to tell a line bump from a bite. Takes practice, but it can be done.

The Fishing Geek · 10-08-2002, 12:13 PM

Thumper:

You bring up something that I have been pondering for a long time, and that is boondogging. I've done it a couple of times and as far as I can tell it is flossing from a boat. Loooong leaders freedrifting a corkie and yarn (sometimes bait). The theory of freedrifting offerings seems plausible but there would have to be a heck of a lot of flossed fish landed using that method. :whazzup:

husker · 10-08-2002, 12:13 PM

excuse me .....but i dont understand why anybody would complain about a legally hooked fish?.....a hook in the mouth is just that....a hook in the mouth.....wheather the fish attacks and rips your bait or lure.....or someone helps the hook into there mouth......i am sure i have flossed a fish or 2....if u drift fish.....it probably happened.......

on the other hand i have foul hooked fish while bobber fishing also.....whats up with that?.......i have foul hooked fish while hoglining.....sometimes fish just do stupid things......

science 101......salmon do not eat while in fresh water......what most salmon do is attach and annoying object in there territory......sometimes it a tail slap and sometimes its a chomp.....

fair hook is a fair hook......in the mouth....

The Fishing Geek · 10-08-2002, 12:25 PM

Husker:

That part about salmon not eating in fresh water has been debated back and forth a number of times between myself and friends. I could never come up with a reason why a salmon would attack a prawn or sandshrimp slowly rotating out on the Willamette. I don't know what that prawn's relatives might have said to that salmon while out in the ocean, so with that aside does just spinning there incessantly warrant a territorial response from the springer?

I believe that at least spring fish will feed while in fresh water, if only because of the distance that they must travel. But that's just me.

fishing is life · 10-08-2002, 12:41 PM

fishing geek, you are right springers eat because they have to. but i agree with others that say other salmon dont really feed they just get ****** off! or the other is killing your buddies eggs so only you will procreate.

KingFisher85 · 10-08-2002, 02:13 PM

garyk
If you happen to get a fish hooked in the mouth and a game cop is right there he will only bust you IF you are ripping the rod tip more then once every cast. Or you rip the rod tip past your ear.
Almost everyone down there says that you can rip two times on your cast. I talked to a gamie and he said you only rip once and then you reel in. If you rip past your ear, then he will wright you a ticket for snagging no matter were the fish is hooked, released or not.

Thumper · 10-08-2002, 02:15 PM

Sheesh! Snagging is getting pretty technical. Only one rip per cast......... Seems like we should get more than that.....

Dan9113 · 10-08-2002, 03:48 PM

If you drift fish, corkies, bait, yarn, worms, you will line fish now and then. You can't help it. But long leaders and jerking on anything thats not right. Sitting jigs on the bottom is not an ethical method of fishing. Steelhead do not pick bait up out of the rocks like a sturgeon. They cannot see downward. Look at where there eyes are on the head.

M W Sheller · 10-08-2002, 04:37 PM

If y'all think it's OK to snag non-bitting, hatchery fish,(cosmo, et al), then why stop there? Why not break out the DuPonte-spinners, or maybe pitchforks?? [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/icon_argue.gif[/img]
If those hatchery-born fish die in the river they have done more good than if some moronic snager took it home so he could show his clan, what a"great" fisherman he is.
With out ethics, there is no sport.

10-08-2002, 05:41 PM

M W Sheller

Perfect.

I love you man....!

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husker · 10-08-2002, 05:52 PM

not sure if there was a dig at me or not.....let me state for the record any fish i hook anywhere other then the mouth goes back.......i made my son release a fish on sat that had the corkie in his mouth with the hook >1/8" outside......u tell me did the fish bite? i think so.....was it legal no.....so he went back....end of story.....

HOGTIDE · 10-08-2002, 08:53 PM

Maybe it is not so much a question of what is legal and what is not; but, rather a question of who 'you' are as a sportsman.

Let's face it...lots of things are 'legal', yet not morally or ethically correct. Eg. perscription drug abuse, abortion , tobacco, gambling, prostitution, corporate coups, and so on..........OJ Simpson was found innocent for gosh sakes.

The point is 'YOU' must choose who you are going to be as a sportsman. I would love to fish Big Creek this time of year with bait on a lead free line...but it's a snag suckers paradise. I stay away because the whole situation depresses. It's even worse on the Lewis during this season. Watching the quick-jerkers line up by the hatchery and yank away, in my opinion, is everything fishing is NOT supposed to be about. In my opinion it is Max-Low-Class Fishing...so, I stay away.

The law can only create and enforce minimum standards of what is considered "sporting". It is up to a true 'Sportsman' to set a standard higher than that; a standard that allows one to walk away from the rivers edge with respect for his quarry and proud of his actions.

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PapaHog · 10-08-2002, 09:17 PM

A sportsman is a sportsman and will attempt at all cost to to do it right. A snagger is NOT a sportsman but a criminal and should be sited and fined or put in jail.

I like hogtide do not even want to fish around these crooks. The worst I ever saw was on Big Creek. I saw a snagged hen have the belly cut open and eggs taken out befor the fish was kicked back in the river. The guy was muttering something about a tule. Made me sick and I have never been back.

I hate that I did not try and do something about seeing this guy sited for this infraction.

crabbait · 10-08-2002, 09:29 PM

After careful review, it appears that "lining" is legal in Oregon but not in Washington. Washington specifies in the definitions section that snagging is defined as taking or attempting to take a fish when the fish does not "voluntarily take the hook(s) into its mouth". In Washington, if you are trying to get the hook into the mouth of a fish that is not willingly biting your offerring you are snagging whether or not the hook is in the mouth and whether or not you even catch a fish(penetration, however slight).

As for Oregon, I stand corrected. My apologies to Mastercaster, et al.

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Navigator · 10-08-2002, 09:58 PM

I feel a whole lot better that I have not hooked any coho this year .......

SandySteel · 10-08-2002, 10:23 PM

Regarding fly anglers for salmon..... some of the worst examples of flossing happen on the Kilches during the chum run. I carry a fly rod and a drift rod when fishing for chum before they close. What I see fly anglers doing out on this river is appalling. They purposely cast to fish that are on their redds and then they line them, or at least attempt to, yanking a fish that is only trying to spawn out of the river. Chum will strike a presentation but they are better biters when they are in deep holes. I just want to throw rocks at the guys harrassing fish on their redds. Of course some folks might say that my ethic of only fishing for chum in deep holes is splitting hairs since they are catch and release only and I am just harrassing fish. Discussions of ethics is a muddy topic!

Eric

Fishalot · 10-08-2002, 11:01 PM

Well I watched a guy fishing blue fox spinners on Eagle creek last week , this was in a deep hole. He would cast and let it sink to the bottom and slowly reel, then when his line was right below him he would start to jig it. I asked him what kind of method that was and he stated watch how it works. I watched him foul hook 5 to 8 fish and then he landed one that looked to be in the mouth. I could not tell for sure because he landed it in some large rocks. He left after that, the funny thing is he came over to use my pen and I could see his Lic. so I tried to make note of it with out him knowing. I think I got it so I called it in and I don't know what will happen now.

Fishalot

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Steelie Steve · 10-08-2002, 11:07 PM

Thumper, How was Alaska? Catch anything?

Steve

garyk · 10-08-2002, 11:39 PM

Thumper, there you are... I was hoping you would join in. Way at the top of this crazy thread I commented --

"My understanding it that in Washington, if the fish is hooked forward of the gills - inside of mouth or outside - it's considered legally or fair hooked."

So, what about that? That's what the folks on the Lewis have told me -- is that in fact incorrect?

Put another way, if you land a fish on the Lewis and its hooked in the nose (outside the mouth) and there's a WA. game cop looking over your shoulder, will (or can) he cite you for snagging if you keep that fish?

(Please no flames about right or wrong or the immorality of snagging - I'm just trying to understand WA.'s regulations and determine if what Washington anglers are telling me is in fact, legally wrong.)

Thumper · 10-08-2002, 11:53 PM

Gary --- Danged if I know the answer to your questions. Being a coward I throw them back if they are not hooked inside the mouth.....unless it has been a very slow day....

Steelie Steve --- Beautiful weather, nobody in town, fishing was as usual (heh-heh). No halibut boats still going out though, so we concentrated on the silvers. I do love Alaska!!!

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Seefood Man · 10-09-2002, 04:32 AM

Last week I was up at the NF Lewis hatchery and witnessed the most blatant forms of snagging I’ve ever seen.

One guy hooked a fish on the four other hooks that were broken off in the fish. After rolling it around the ground and stepping on it for about two minutes he released it ”unharmed”. :depressed: Ya know, This really fouled me and I couldn’t take it anymore and left. However, you have to think, isn’t gill netting a form of snagging? [img]graemlins/stupid.gif[/img]

DJFISHS2XS · 10-09-2002, 09:06 AM

I liked all the responces, Im glad Im not the only one revolted at the sight of total disrespect for the fish I love to catch. What do you think of the Idea of bulletin boards (at the parking spots) to address specific river issues. I didnt even scratch the issue of rough handling of released fish, netting fish that are going to be released, bad language around women and children, Whatcom creeks wall of shame, trash left on the bank, not reeling in and getting out of the way when some one is fighting a fish. there must be some more but you get my point...I do not like to stay away, If I set the example long enought maybe one or two people might learn to pass sportsmanship along to others...DJ

KingFisher85 · 10-09-2002, 02:01 PM

The Lewis River
What really sets me off is seeing the guys down there ripping away and keeping what ever they get on the other end of the line.
This weekend I seen a guy snag a native silver and keep it. I also seen someone snag a fish and cut the eggs out of her and toss the fish back into the river.
Over at the hatchery I see them sight snaggers. Oh they are somthing to watch. :shocked:
The guy at the end of the line yells, "here they come, they are comeing". And everyone sees them comeing up and just ripsnaging away as they go by.
Then you get them people that sit by the cork line by the hatchery and toss there corkies down stream and let it bounce under the cork line and then they give it a good rip.
Talk about true sportsmen

These sobs should be banned from the river.

The Fishing Geek · 10-09-2002, 02:30 PM

Take a video camera with you next time. Get some good closeups of the action and their faces, and then donate the tape to your local authorities.

If the sight of the camera doesn't stop them then helping the local law enforcement identify these people as snaggers should help.

Montana · 10-09-2002, 02:42 PM

I was up on the Washugal a week or so ago and saw many young men "punks" casting, and then rip, rip, rip, rip, rip, "fish on" I was planning on throwing a spinner or tossing some eggs out but watching this turned my stomach sour and I could not bring myself to even be in the same locations with the young men "punks",,, made me SICK!!!!, got in the truck and headed home, on the way I happened to see Mr. Gammie heading up the road,, flashed my lites and he stopped and I told him what I saw he thanked me and continued on.. This aroused my curiosity to see what he might do. He stopped his rig about 100 yards away from this group of young me "punks" and walked to an area where he would not be seen and brought out the binocs and watched a while, returned to his rig, drove to where they were parked, went down to the river and proceeded to write 5 tickets and confiscate 15 fish,,, now 5 x 3 = 15,, limit is 2 from what I recall... I am sure those young mens "punks" pocket books are little lighter now... My sour stomach seemed to heal itself after that...

garyk · 10-09-2002, 02:43 PM

Kingfisher85, it was at the site you described that I first and repeatedly got the misinformation (I think we've cleared THAT up) that if it was hooked anywheres in the head it was a 'legal hookup'.

You seem to know a lot about the area, why do you think in plain view of the hatchery facility and all its state workers that this snagfest is tolerated?

Doesn't WA. have enforcment personel?

A well meaning post above suggests education via bulletin boards -- that assumes that 1. these folks can be educated and 2. that they even care.

The problem is, from the gross snagging that goes on there - it's clear they don't care! Since they fish 24hours there, can you imagine what the night shift must be like!

GutshotApe · 10-09-2002, 02:50 PM

Garyk - One big difference used to be (still is?) that while Oregon's gamewardens are actual state cops, the Washington game enforcement people are not state patrolmen. I'm not even sure if they carry sidearms Maybe police backup in WA is an issue in a snagfest situation?

The Fishing Geek · 10-09-2002, 02:57 PM

I would think that the citations and confiscations of equipment (auctioned off later?) from this time of year would more than pay for additional game officers throughout the year. Heck, at $300 a fish that adds up pretty quickly and from the stories I have heard I would think that they could reap a few thousand dollars a weekend day.

From the posts that I've seen it appears that the "report a snagger" program doesn't work when trying to get someone to a location immediately. It seems as though there are areas that are continual problems that can be staked out on a semi-regular basis that would be most successful.

DanS · 10-09-2002, 03:07 PM

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boondogging. I've done it a couple of times and as far as I can tell it is flossing from a boat

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">NOT TRUE. Sidedrifting isn't flossing because your bait and weight are in line with each other, not sweeping sideways across the current like the floosers do. The long leader is so your bait can move naturally, not so you can cover a wide swath to line open-mouthed fish.

Washington gamies DO carry sidearms.

If the fish doesn't VOLUNTARILY take your offering, it is by definition a foul-hooked fish in Washington. Voluntarily doesn't mean you steered your cork right into or across its mouth and then hooked it. The "gillplates forward" thing hasn't applied in WA for many years.

You see it all during salmon season..........like using Buzzbombs or Pt. Wilson Darts in 4 feet of water.

fishing is life · 10-09-2002, 03:08 PM

Garyk, i agree with your sentiments. i can not imagine what is going on at night. i think washington has i bigger problem of snagging due to the night fishing.

fishing is life · 10-09-2002, 03:13 PM

Garyk, i agree with your sentiments. i can not imagine what is going on at night. i think washington has i bigger problem of snagging due to the night fishing.

Tanner · 10-09-2002, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by KingFisher85:

Quote:

Almost everyone down there says that you can rip two times on your cast. I talked to a gamie and he said you only rip once and then you reel in. If you rip past your ear, then he will wright you a ticket for snagging no matter were the fish is hooked, released or not.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">What if you have really big ears. :grin:
Sorry guys, just thought I would lighten it up a bit.

If you can't get the fish to bite then leave them alone. It is not about the law, it is about ETHICS.

Definition of ethics: A Moral standard.

Of course looking at the root word in the definition, I can see why these fishing practices are becoming more common

[ 10-09-2002, 04:32 PM: Message edited by: Tanner ]