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Old 10-03-2002, 11:56 PM   #1
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Keep this date 10/11/02 in mind because your angling opportunities for sturgeon for next year are at stake. The ODFW will be holding a meeting that is open to public testimony about sturgeon quotas at ODFW offices next Friday. The quota for this year was exceeded and so there will be less fish for retention next year. There is even talk about retention size changes and yearly bag limits. The bad thing about this is most of the quota was filled by the estuary fishery and the Bonneville area anglers got the short end of the stick. There needs to be a strong showing by sports anglers at this meeting! There are other meetings to follow. One in Astoria and one in Vancouver. I'll post the dates when I know for sure.
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Old 10-04-2002, 05:14 AM   #2
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Thanx for the info, Shane.

Would be nice to see a seperate quota or season for above 205 bridge, perhaps even something seperate for the bankies! They're (oops, I mean we ) the ones that get shafted the worst in the way it works now.

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Old 10-04-2002, 05:19 AM   #3
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They could close lower and upper river and leave the less productive areas open???? :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Old 10-04-2002, 05:30 AM   #4
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Old 10-04-2002, 07:44 AM   #5
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From TGF home page:

"There are two very important public meetings to attend this month regarding how we shape the future of our sturgeon consumptive fishery. The first one takes place in Vancouver at the Watershed Education center from 6 to 9 P.M. and the second takes place at the Astoria Seafoods Lab on the east side of town also from 6 – 9 P.M."

"Call Clackamas ODF&W or Vancouver WDF&W for directions or questions. The ODF&W in Clackamas is (503) 657-2000. Ask for Columbia River Management, Pat Frazier or Kevleen Melcher."
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Old 10-04-2002, 07:55 AM   #6
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I think lowering the yearly catch to 5 as already discussed here would be a good start. No offense to the guides but maybe a weekly guide boat limit would seem in order as well. With the ever-increasing number of guides and the larger boats with more bodies in them an effective guide could take 30-50 fish/week. I have also seen individuals (never a guide) upgrade their fish on the river another practice I don’t agree with. The real culprit here is nets, how many of you remember just awhile a go the netter that kept the shakers until he was back at the dock then just threw the shakers back dead or alive. These fish grow slow and we need to conserve them, after the meat is gone pictures are what we really remember the trip by. It is easy to catch a keeper, hold it for a picture, and release it, the memories last forever and the fish lives to get caught again.

I found an article from about awhile back that has some good points in it.

http://www.worldstar.com/~dlarson/Dead_Sturgeon.htm

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Old 10-04-2002, 09:40 AM   #7
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It's an extremely easy call for 90% of us. Get the commercial nets out of the river, period!!! Look at the "bycatch" during salmon season....yeah, right. They get much more $$ for the sturgeon than the salmon, I know how my nets would be set if I was a commercial netter.

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Old 10-04-2002, 08:07 PM   #8
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yeah!!..what rogue said!!......ban all nets in the columbia!!
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Old 10-04-2002, 08:14 PM   #9
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Rogue is right of course! Right now it's an 20-80% split with the sports anglers getting the 80%. I wonder who or where the plan came from to even give the commercial netters a season on these fish? The thing is the commercial interests have a liason with the ODFW....there's talk about us getting a lisaon for us. The meeting at Astoria should be very heated because of the numbers of charters located there along with the commercial netters.

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Old 10-04-2002, 08:22 PM   #10
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Monoman - It is my understanding that the weekly Sun-Mon closures did not work because people just fished Fri-Sat instead.

The block closure worked and was timed so that at least we had good salmon fishing when the sturgeon fishing was closed.
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Old 10-04-2002, 09:18 PM   #11
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Shane: The Prologue: I am not a fan of gill netters. The Question: Why is 20% still a problem? The reason I ask is we have alternatives to gill netting in the river for salmon, so food services have an option to supply non-fishermen. How do non-fisherman get sturgeon? There is a farmed sturgeon market in California, but it doesn't yet appear to satiate the market. How is that 20% a problem to those of us that fish sturgeon? Is the problem just "No Gill Netters"? The Epilogue: I don't eat sturgeon because of the flesh-assays [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img] . I would be just as happy with a cnr forever, for eveyones sake.
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Old 10-04-2002, 09:42 PM   #12
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Here are few excerpts from ODFW documents on the status of sturgeon in the Columbia:

"The current white sturgeon population is considered to be healthy with more than 1 million fish
exceeding 2' in length. In general, indicators of sublegal <42 inches and oversize >60 inches
abundance are good at this time. Population estimates produced during 1995-1998 indicate that
the number of 42"-60" sturgeon in the population were not increasing at the rate the abundance
models predicted. These results suggest the current combined sport and commercial annual
harvest rates may be exceeding levels considered to be adequate for broodstock recruitment
needs; however, population estimates for the 1999 and 2000 tag groups need to be completed to
verify that this trend is continuing. There is evidence that the 1996 and 1997 harvestable
population estimates were negatively impacted by emigration of white sturgeon from the lower
Columbia River and tag recoveries from outside the Columbia River basin indicated that this
emigration began in 1996. Recent tag recovery data indicate that emigrated sturgeon have been
continually returning to the Columbia River since 1997."

"Sturgeon fisheries between the Columbia River mouth and Bonneville Dam during 2000-2002
are guided by a management plan signed by the ODFW and WDFW Directors in March 2000.
Major tenets of the "Joint State Agreement on Sturgeon Fishery Management" include:
! Management for optimum sustained yield of white sturgeon.
! Absent significant update, annual harvestable number is 50,000.
! Harvestable number may be adjusted if there is a significant population update resulting from
new biological information, new analytical/theoretical approach, or a substantial change in
harvest impacts outside of the Columbia system.
! Allocate white sturgeon harvestable number 20% commercial (10,000) and 80% sport
(40,000).
! Sport and commercial seasons will be modified as necessary to ensure that average catch
during the three-year period (2000-2002) does not exceed fishery specific harvestable
number."

"The Joint State Agreement on sturgeon fishery management allows for changes based on new
biological information and based on the trend in recent population updates overages from 2000
fisheries were applied to 2001 catch guidelines. Both commercial and sport fisheries exceeded
the reduced catch guidelines in effect for 2001. Overages accrued in 2000 and 2001 will be
applied to the 2002 harvest guidelines because 2002 represents the final year of the three-year
Joint State Agreement. At the December 12, 2001 hearing, the Compact considered
modifications to white sturgeon catch guidelines and adopted the following protocol for
determining white sturgeon catch guidelines for 2002.
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! Overages during 2002 and 2001 will be applied to currently adopted 2002 catch guidelines.
! Sport and commercial fisheries will be managed to less than the maximum catch guideline for
2002 as a management buffer. Reduction will be 1,500 for sport and 500 for commercial.
! Based on current catch estimates 2002 sport fisheries will be managed for a catch of 36,500
with catches not to exceed 38,500 and commercial fisheries will be managed for a catch of
9,200 with catches not to exceed 9,700.
! 2002 catch guidelines may be further modified as 2001 catches are updated."

"The most recent update indicates that the commercial fishery white sturgeon catches in
commercial fisheries during 2001 totaled 9,300, as compared to the 9,400 estimated previously,
which results in a new commercial catch guideline of 9,300 not to exceed 9,800. The 2001 sport
catch estimate has not changed and modifications to current sport fishery regulations will be
considered in August or September when catch estimates through July have been completed."

Here is the link to the ODFW document that these came from
http://www.dfw.state.or.us/ODFWhtml/...jointstaff.pdf

Given this information it is important to remember that the outcome of these meetings will effect the next 3 years of sturgeon fishing.

As of June the sport catch totaled roughly 26000 sturgeon.
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Old 10-04-2002, 10:54 PM   #13
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Shane: The Prologue: I am not a fan of gill netters. The Question: Why is 20% still a problem? The reason I ask is we have alternatives to gill netting in the river for salmon, so food services have an option to supply non-fishermen. How do non-fisherman get sturgeon? There is a farmed sturgeon market in California, but it doesn't yet appear to satiate the market. How is that 20% a problem to those of us that fish sturgeon? Is the problem just "No Gill Netters"? The Epilogue: I don't eat sturgeon because of the flesh-assays [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img] . I would be just as happy with a cnr forever, for eveyones sake.
<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helv">How can a lower Columbia (below Bonneville) commercial gill net fishery be viable and profitable these days? The numbers don't add up! Are these people waiting for the big pay day when the NMFS and ESA mandates a buy out of their licenses? I might be ignorant of some of the facts but I can't see it. With the salmon gillnetters getting next to nothing for their catch because of the net pen fish how can these people justify the need? I am not a sturgeon angler but I can see once again where the sports fishers are getting cheated because of the unfair influence the commercial interests have on the ODFW. Just my opinion
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Old 10-04-2002, 11:02 PM   #14
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Rouge...All the fish logged come out of their quota, either during salmon season or sturgeon season. During the earlier netting season they had a five fish per day per boat limit. I'm sure each boat sold their five fish each day. These meetings won't talk about nets, that will not be solve this year or next, if ever! If you care about the seasons, go to these meetings.
NSIA tried to get the departments to have weekly closures ( sunday monday) instead of block closures ( during the fall run of salmon) The charter boats are the ones who fight so hard for block closures! If you care go to the meetings.
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Old 10-05-2002, 06:49 AM   #15
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And here I thought that Shane was going to saying something about taking a gator on a spey rod. :grin:

If you are of the type to complain and moan when they shut down the sturgeon fishery, then do something proactive and ATTEND THIS MEETING. If you need to take a couple of hours off of work to do it (have you taken time off of work to fish?), then DO IT. Only a large showing of local sturgeon anglers will get your voices heard loud and clear.

If you DON'T go, then when the griping starts next year you will know when you could have made a difference.
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Old 10-05-2002, 09:54 AM   #16
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Right 0n Shane! If upriver fisherman don't attend these meetings than they will continually get the short end of the stick!

The biggest piece of the pie always gets served below Tongue Point!! :depressed:
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Old 10-07-2002, 01:23 PM   #17
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crabbait--where did you hear that rolling days off did not work and blocks did?

I'm going hard toward days off per week. Block closures are fine when salmon seasons are long and good. But one poor year with no salmon season and a hefty block closure on sturgeon would be terrible. Sturgeon are one of the few year around opportunities we have. If we don't protect that, we'll quickly be into short summer seasons where the charter boat fleet cleans up the quota in the estuary in no time.

I don't have a bone to pick charter boats but it's just that there most profitable way of operating (short compact seasons) does not ad up to my view of quality fisheries (long opportinity periods).
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Old 10-07-2002, 02:09 PM   #18
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It's a perfect example of why sportsmen should become activists. If you don't speak your mind and try to protect your rights then someone, who is less than sympathetic to sports anglers issues, will speak for you.
Thanks to those who pestered the state lawmakers about hatcheries closures our voice was heard! You can make a difference.
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Old 10-07-2002, 02:56 PM   #19
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Block closures don't work. Or at least the ones we had this last year, The guides and charter people wanted the block closures that we had because they would be fishing for Salmon during the block closures anyway. (Just like the rest of us) IMHO very few people would of been fishing for Sturgeon at the peak of Salmon fishing. The pressure is already off the Sturgeon at that time. If they are going to do block closures why not do it when it will actually protect some fish?

Lower the bag limit to 5 fish a year and break the river into zones and give each zone a quota so the estuary fishery don't fill the whole river quota.

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Old 10-07-2002, 03:47 PM   #20
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Both Washington and Oregon fishers should attend all meetings if possible. The fishery is shared by both sides of the river. Let your voice be heard! [img]graemlins/icon_argue.gif[/img]
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Old 10-07-2002, 11:12 PM   #21
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Old 10-07-2002, 11:23 PM   #22
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Hey Shane - Don't blame ODFW for the 20/80 ratio. At the Columbia River Compact I think ODFW proposed a 15/85 comml/sport split, WDFW wanted 25/75 so they compromised. That agreement expires after this year I believe, so if you want to have your say as to what the numbers should be, go to the commission meeting this friday & tell 'em. GSA
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Old 10-08-2002, 06:12 PM   #23
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but shane. why should we try and do anything?/ (which we cant by the way). nobody would listen to the poor little sportsman.its no use just like politics. we can complain but they will go their own way and.leave us out in the cold again!
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Old 10-09-2002, 04:32 AM   #24
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Does anyone know the dates of the sturgeon meetings in Vancouver and Astoria?
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Old 10-09-2002, 04:49 AM   #25
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It's all about money :depressed: . What does the ODFW and the WDFW make in fees off of the gillnetters? :shocked: ( If you have this data, please post ). If that is the REAL issue here then let's divide those fees by the number of sportfishing licenses sold and increase the fees of our licenses. Please don't think I like just spending money I really don't have, however, I would be inclined to pay an additional 50 to 75 bucks extra a year to keep the $#@^%$ nets off the river. If anyone has the hard figures of fees and number of licenses in OR and WA, let's run them.
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For my money I would like to see it open only say two days a week. Like maybe saturday and wednesday. This would limit the amount from all of the people that fish sturgeon.

When I started fishing Astoria the parking lots were never full not even at the peak of the season. Now it is like salmon season if you don't get there at o'dark'thirty you wont find a parking spot. We are all to blame for this the sport fishers, guides, charters and gillnetters. The fact is there is just a lot more of us out there.

I don't agree with limiting just the guides or the charters. What that say's is if you don't spend the money on a boat and tackle you don't have a right to fish.

As to the gillnetters. While I don't like it I also don't know where it is written that the sturgeon are there for just us. I think there are better way's of doing it like farms. How ever this means they need to sell all of there equiptment and buy the stuff need to farm fish.

There are a lot of things in this world that need fixing. Like comercial fishing or logging. The problem is as long as it is profitable it will continue. I think if we want to stop it we need to make it nonprofitable. The same way they did on the tuna. If no one buy's the product the market goes away.
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Just a little food for thought. During one of the dates that the nets were allowed in at buoy 10 for salmon this summer I heard from a reliable source that one net boat alone caught 140 sport legal sturgeon in one night. My source has a gill net permit though he doesnt fish anymore he still knows many that do and I believe his info to be accurate. Now the problem is, is that when the netters are not allowed to keep sturgeon and they release them they go right back into the nets and with that many fish in the nets it makes them impossible to drag in so, while not all commercials still practice this there is still a percentage of them that thump these sport legal sturgeon on the head and trow them out the back of the boat to keep them from fowling the nets. So if you do the math on that one 60 to 100 net boats out if even only 10 or 20% of them are doing this I would say that in one weeks time the numbers of legal sized fished that are just killed would be huge, far bigger than any sports harvest. Just look around on a morning after the nets were in how many dead sturgeon have you seen floating. Now I again say that my information is only word of mouth and I do believe it to be true but I have not seen it first hand, however I have seen all the dead sturgeon floating.
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Old 10-10-2002, 08:44 PM   #28
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From todays Columbian:Thursday, October 10, 2002
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Public meeting scheduled Tuesday night to discuss sturgeon fishing reductions in 2003

A public meeting will begin at 6 p.m. Tuesday at the Water Resources Education Center, 4600 S.E. Columbia Way, to discuss sport and commercial Columbia River sturgeon management for 2003 through 2006.

It's no secret that white sturgeon numbers in the Columbia River between the coast and Bonneville Dam are declining.

Officials from Washington and Oregon say sport and commercial catches need to be reduced, and Tuesday's meeting will begin discussion how that might be accomplished.

In September, the Vancouver Wildlife League voted for a 25 percent reduction of the overall sturgeon harvest to 37,500 with 7,500 for the commercial fleet and 30,000 for sportsmen.

Washington's Fish and Wildlife Commission will make its policy decisions on sturgeon management Dec. 6 and 7 in Mount Vernon. The Oregon Fish and Wildlife Commission will decide Dec. 13 while meeting in Eugene.

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Please note this meeting is not being held in Portland as Shane's post declares. It is being held in Sandy.

Commission Meeting: Mt. Hood National Forest, 16400 Champion Way, Sandy
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