Coho tips

[Chris Nordling]

Sorry, asked to remove some stuff by personal friends.

You can email me if you like.

Chris

[ 09-23-2002, 11:00 PM: Message edited by: FWF1 ]

[KingFisher85]

Thanks for the tips FWF1, I will be putting some of that to use this fall.
A few weeks ago I posted a topic on spinners for coho, I did what some of you said to do and well my buddy got a very nice 14 pound coho salmon on a spinner and so did the guy that I went out in the boat, he got a nice one to.
Thanks

[Chris Nordling]

[ 09-23-2002, 11:06 PM: Message edited by: FWF1 ]

[fishing is life]

a new tip i picked up last nite reading my sts mag:

dick nites in the wee and 1 size.

also in tidewater casting hering and bobber and herring. i am gonna try this week.

[willierower]

Tossing wiggle warts produced big time for me last year. The most productive color was a silver wart dipped in cerise lure coat.

I got fish in all kids of water with wiggle warts. the key to fishing wiggle warts is finding the right speed of retrieve. If the plug is digging to hard or not diving enough you wouldnt get bit..

I sure the Brads wigglers will work just as well.

[ampersat]

hey chris,
that's one thorough set of tips you gave out there. wish i had something to add to it. maybe if i get it figured out this year i'll have something to contribute this time next year.

[Chris Nordling]

amp-

Yeah, I'm sure you'll have some to add in the future. You've got the skills, just need to find a fish or two for your confidence man. If you fish it, they will bite :grin:

How'd that fish turn out ? Smoked silver is too good ! That' usually a popular gift around Christmas time. Still working on a name for ya, and I appreciate the quickness in which you got started.

Willie Rower-
Good one !
Chris

[ 09-17-2002, 03:38 PM: Message edited by: FWF1 ]

[CATCH AND EAT]

Gee Chris, you really think those things work? You are on target of course. I have spys checking the actual water today. It will be interesting to hear what they have to say.

[Captn]

Great list. Just returned from Kodiak where we fished for a solid week for silvers. This was our fifth time. One method we have found is to use eggs with no weight!! Just a swivel and about 18 to 24 inches of leader (2/0 egg loop, 12 lb maxima camelion). A gob of eggs the size of a quarter, and toss up stream enough to get a good drift, this can be deadly.
I like the idea of wiggle warts, have not tried that one. Will give it a shot soon
Again, thanks for the ideas.

[foxer]

Last year on Eagle Creek saw a few caught on brass and blue steelie's (no, not snagged) Actually watched a guy put a dime size cluster of eggs in front of a fish, and the fish just ignored it....weird

[Beaver1]

I got one take down pulling a pink/silver wiggle wart on sunday....

[Trick]

Good tips FW1......One thing I'll ad to this is....... Get a tide book and learn how to read it!

Silvers bites I have found in these areas can be very tide specific regardless of time. Slack tides and the hour before and after are very effective. The minus AM tides like we are experiencing this week will produce fish.

Spinners are my go to lure. I like assorted weights in #5/ #6 blade sizes. Silver and red. Flash-n-glos are very effective. Build your own spinners, cheaper and just as effective.

I'm going to try some plugs for these guys. Have had luck on winter steelhead with plugs so it ought to work.

See ya on the river!

Todd

[Chris Nordling]

The tide one is especially true.

Sorry. Late edit.

Chris

[ 09-23-2002, 11:02 PM: Message edited by: FWF1 ]

[KilgoreTrout]

Question, does the spinner blade size & color depend on water conditions? Right now it is obviously very clear water. Will the larger sizes spook the fish or provide a better attractor. I found in Eagle creek last fall that the only thing I could get a bite on (from some stressed out fish) was a #1 black blade, black body spinner.

Thanks,

Dave

[Trick]

I'm hitting these fish in tidewater and they are generally fresh and fairly aggresive. I don't think they are as easily spooked in the murky, froggish water that you sometimes find in these areas. Big blades seem to work well. Low, clear upper river stretches probally would require smaller, less intrusive offerings.

Go small and work up until you find the best mix.

Todd

[ 09-17-2002, 09:55 PM: Message edited by: ****** ]

[Chris Nordling]

******-

[img]graemlins/hearton.gif[/img] Thanks for the support :grin: :grin:

I'm getting some awesome berries ready, you know what for, BOBBER DOWN !!

I know you know that movie. Coming soon, to your rod and mine

Chris

[ 09-17-2002, 08:27 PM: Message edited by: FWF1 ]

[ampersat]

i just put together a new batch of spinners. those plastic clevises that allow you to interchange blades are awesome. i'm still tuning my blades though. the larger ones spin with no problem, but smaller ones seem to just lay against the body. any tips?

here's a tip for all those building spinners at home. take a brass blade and hold it above a candle. you can get it too close and it'll be fine - you just have to wipe the soot away. watch the top - it'll oxidize taking the shine off. in the water, it's mostly black. (i've seen this on other sites but got the idea to try it when i was watching my stock black blade in the water and still seeing lots of flash off of it) you can try this with other finishes as well, ie, copper and nickel. something else to try is putting oil base stuff on prior to heating. makes a cool rainbow sort of effect. something else to try is a hotter heat source, like a propane torch. someone very wise said on this site to be just a little different than the guy next to you. this will give you enough variations to be different than just about everyone else on the bank.

and here i thought i had nothing to contribute. by the way fwf1, where do you get off telling me i've got skills. i ain't got jack on you. you the shiznitz. (for those who weren't there, and that's all of you) he had twelve, count 'em, twelve hook ups and i got zip, nada. not all of 'em got to the boat, but i was simply outfished, hands down. i may be a chinook on the board, but i'm a smolt at the water.

[Chris Nordling]

Chris

[ 09-23-2002, 11:04 PM: Message edited by: FWF1 ]

[Dan Christopher]

ok here is my secret that i keep forgetting to get ready this year.

pro glo cured night crawlers blown with scent(of your choise,,crawfish :smile: ) in a bait injector half scent and half air drift fished in good current. Single or best is a two hooks
(bass style).the ultimate pink worm.

dig the worms up the day before and put some pro glo in the dirt .the night before fishing soke in pro glo and water..this also works without the pro glo but not as good.work pretty good if the worms are put in with the wet eats if you lazy.

its different and the fish havent seen it like the 1000 spinners.

worns for fishing??na that wont work :grin:

if we see some good ones here i might post another :grin:

[ 09-17-2002, 09:37 PM: Message edited by: MADWIZERD ]

[Chris Nordling]

That's cool Wiz. Never tried nuclear worms [img]graemlins/idea.gif[/img]

I know you got more than 1 measley ( but very good tip) up your sleeve C'mon kickout another or two so I'm not the only guy spilling my tackle box on the net

Chris

[Flatfish]

Hey Amp,the next time you BBQ a fish,save the foil and greasy stuff used to cook fishy in.Place a few dozen blades on the foil and BBQ the blades overnite.Nice swirl and duller than me(that is really dull).Wash the blades in the sink and make some spinners.
On your smaller spinners the plastic clevis offers too much resistance for the tiny blades to spin.Buy the shafts and spend some time this winter making some in different sizes and finishes.Jed davis did a great book on spinners and is a good place to start on patterns vs size.Yes you are gonna end up with a couple hundred when it's all said and done.But the results are worth it.Of your tiny spinners are too light to get down in the fast stuff(where the biters hang out)put some lead in front of it like a drift rig.
Wiz has my other tech on low water silvers.Ask him I am curious to see his response.
Mark and the snoring dog.

[Got Fish?]

Another idea for your spinner boxes are those Bud spinners. Try the solid gold in size three and four. I have pretty good sucess with them on the coho and I rig them about 6 feet behind a snap swivel with a piece of pencil lead that will get you close to the bottom. Then do a retrieve that is as slow as possible as long as the blade is spinning and keep it a little off the bottom. Good luck and I like the idea about the "Nuclear Worms"! :grin:

[Dan Christopher]

some basics for me are:

2)im not going to tell..mine,mine, mine

3)Dick Nites in 50/50 gold/silver. Size #1
My secret is to bend them a little bit to bring a better wobble action,and a hook swap.fished many many ways.i didnt get to try flatfishes way to much last time but i am alway looking for another good way to use a dite night :grin:

4)Flicker Spinners also work good if you can let them out over the top of a slot from the hole above.(you listening flatfish) this is
another one i keep forgeting to take out of the shad box this year(be right back going to do that right now).

5)white hot shots,,,,chrome- red back and flame red wiggle warts

6)quickies ,, Metalic chartrues with a pink bill rowed or slow trolled way ,way back behind the boat in the slack water,only diving about
2-3 feet ,,,hard to find a spot to do this in the crowded little rivers but it can be deadly.

ok i am not letting any more out of the bag..good luck and go fishing

[CATCH AND EAT]

Try Jenson eggs. Put only three on your hook. Has worked the last two years when the bite stopped. I continually will change gear if things stop working. I have even gone down to using trout flys with small hooks.

Sometimes small presentations are the only thing that works.

[Flatfish]

Ya Wiz,I got my ears on good buddy.10-4. :smile: Maybe if you were to FREAK out(gold or silver).Or maybe try one of my favs,the "Freakin Silver Tricker" 50/50 is my fav.try a bit smaller siwash with it along with some green tubing.
Then there is what kind of eggs to use.Chinook like(most of the time)hotter eggs,cohos in the middle(can go either way)and steelies like em like pizza in the morning....cold.Now sometimes a switch in eggs will get a bite when you(and maybe another boat are fishing a hole that you know has fish in it(are you listening wiz,her 2nd cast with those berries)but you can't buy a bite.Maybe if you wanted to start somewhere,you could have Pro cure(hot),borax(cold)and something in between(you can figure this out right?).Remember,you can always add spices to heat them up.It only takes a few minutes to do.
Also,in clear water try small dark spinners.0,1,and 2s.Don't worry,they CAN see it.And nobody fishes them so there is an edge too.
Oh yeah one last tidbit,when you make the nuclear crawlers.Put them in some moss in a bucket for a couple days before you cure them.Bout 1 foot deep(I got this from Herzog,but it does work).Throw the worms in the bucket for 2 days(add a little water to the stuff,1/2" is plenty)Toughens em up and they last(keep wigglin longer)than the originals.And once they are dead on the hook,maybe you want to add some spice to them to make em smell yummier(think egg cure stuff).
Mark and the passed out from too many treats dog.

[Dan Christopher]

mark i am going to go play in a couple hours i will let you know how we did.

[OldRedSled]

i dont have any super worm tricks, but when trolling i do go as fast as possible. I have found that hauling ass up stream gets significantly more hits than the slow trollers (chinnok speed). Another trick i like is to put some small egg weights above the swivle for my leader to a wiggle wart. I have found that if the wiggle wart is slightly ticking the bottom with its bill the silvers are very agressive toward it. It tears up the bill of my organge warts but it also does well with the silvers.

ORS