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Old 11-26-2010, 10:28 PM   #1
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We have an old German Mauser model 98 with all matching serial numbers and it appears to have been made in the 1940's or so. It has the **** stamps on it and has been sporterized with a smaller stock. It seems to be in good working order. Any ideas on the value?

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I don't think it is worth too much for two reasons,
1. Ammunition is limited availability
2. Not too many guys want a german sniper rifle!
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Old 11-27-2010, 06:52 AM   #3
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Nice rifle. Not worth a whole lot but they are tough and accurate. You selling it?
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Nice rifle but probaably worth more to you as a shooter. That is a good action and the cartridge, though hard to fine, is a good cartridge. Look's like the rifle still has the mauser safty and probably the two stage trigger. Safty could be change easily and I like the two stage trigger. Probably need the extractor fixed to go over the cartridge rim, little grinding and grind the follower in the back so the bolt slides over it when MTY. Have it drilled and tapped for a scope. You'd have a nice rifle! As is I'd be suprized if you got much over $200 for it if that.

If that were mine I'd do the modifications and then pull the barrel and have a 6.5 barrel put on chambered for 6.5x57. Make a pretty cheap custom and give you a reason to reload if you don't already.
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2. Not too many guys want a german sniper rifle!
It's not a sniper rifle, it's a sporterized M98 built on a action that was made before or during WWII.
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Old 11-27-2010, 07:09 AM   #6
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If it was completely original it could be worth some money depending on what it is. As a altered 8mm that ammo is easy to find, $150 to $300 is about the price range it is in. Depending on quality of destroying its military collectors value. From a quick look at the pictures $175 to $225 is my best guess on value. Due to the real after market stock. If you got $75 at a pawn shop i would be surprised
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A friend and I shot Model 98's growing up. Mine was sporterized & his original. We both reloaded with 123 gr. Noslers and were happy with the results on deer. Took deer out to an estimated 400 yds. No rangefinders back then.
I now have a sporterized three eagle stamped Model 98 rebarreled in 3006.
Happy with it too but don't shoot it much anymore.
As to value I agree not a high doller gun in it's condition but lots of posibilities.
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Old 11-27-2010, 07:27 AM   #8
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Nice rifle. The less it has been modified, the more it is worth to the sizeable military collectables crowd who are not interested in shooting it or converting it but rather collect N*zi paraphenalia. If it is late thirties thru WWII it is worth even more. Hunt around for an original stock and convert it back to true original and it is worth even more.

If the metal has been altered (sights removed, barrel length altered etc.) it is already screwed up, so you might as well enjoy a classic shooter. The early Mausers were THE action to judge all others by for custom rifles (esp. bound for Africa) with their inherent accuracy, positive feed and extraction.

Do you handload?

Options: Possibly re-bore to .338 - 06 or some variant where ammo is available (.35 Whelen would be sweet...).but isn't 8 mm still available (though a little tougher to find?) in factory ammo?.

I think the original military rifles should remain just that. They are fun to shoot and yes, hunt with as is. Some day when I grow up I'll own an M-1 Garand...

I know the military surplus 8 mm has nearly dried up as it has for my vintage 1917 .303 British SMLE (with unmatching serial #s, but is worth now three to four times what I paid for it just 15 years ago). C.W.
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Bought one about a year ago, really nice orig. Paid 300 for it but came with 400 rounds of ammo, so fiq. its about 150 Max, but thats for an orig. not an altered...........
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Ammo is not a problem, How many million rounds do you want? Hunting ammo CABELAS
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Options: Possibly re-bore to .338 - 06 or some variant where ammo is available (.35 Whelen would be sweet...).but isn't 8 mm still available (though a little tougher to find?) in factory ammo?.
My 338-06 started out as a pre WWII 7x57 Brazilian M98K, today I wouldn't cut up an old military rifle.

The 7.9X57 (8mm Mauser) round is ballisticly close to the '06 and it's a good hunting round. Ammo, brass and bullets are available and you can form brass from several commercial rounds.
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Thanks for the info guys. It looks like we'll be keeping it and locating some ammo. Thanks
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I have no experience in that gun but I used a 7.65 Argentine mauser w/ full infield stock for many many years and found the action more reliable and smooth than most any other gun I've shot.
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I have no experience in that gun but I used a 7.65 Argentine mauser w/ full infield stock for many many years and found the action more reliable and smooth than most any other gun I've shot.
Some of the Argentine Mausers are 91s and some are 1909s not 98s. The 91 is not as strong as a 98 or 1909.
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You might want to check to see just what caliber & chambering it is since a huge # of these old 98's were sporterized into 30-06 or 8mm-06 & they did not always re-stamp the barrel. It could make a fine project if you want to have a customized rifle as that action can be tweked to handle rounds up to .300 Wby so with a re-bore & re-chamber along with opening the bolt face & a little magazine work a .340 Wby could be had.
There is nothing wrong with the 8x57 as far as deer & elk especially now as there are some better bullets available.

Do slug the barrel as there were 2 different diameters of 8mm Mausers.
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Being a 1942 8MM made durring the war It will shoot all current 8MM ammo unless it has been rechambered. 1st world war era rifles had the bullet diameter issue. By WWII they where all standard.
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Being a 1942 8MM made during the war It will shoot all current 8MM ammo unless it has been rechambered. 1st world war era rifles had the bullet diameter issue. By WWII they where all standard.

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I don't think it is worth too much for two reasons,
1. Ammunition is limited availability
2. Not too many guys want a german sniper rifle!
Its not worth a whole lot, but not because of these reasons. 8x57 Mauser ammo can be bought cheaply by the case and is easy to find in large amounts if you go to gun shows. These rifles were some of the most widely made and the 8x57 is one of the most widely chambered cartridges next to the 7.62x39, 7.62x51 (308) and 30-06. Some of it is pretty good ammo too. Some great cartridges share the same case. The parent case is the 7x57 Mauser. There is also the 8x57 Mauser, 6mm/244 Remington, 257 Roberts, 6.5x57 Mauser and I also believe there are wildcats using other bullet diameters.

8x57 makes a very capable cartridge and sits right between the 308 and 30-06 for case capacity. With reloading dies, its a great big game cartridge as most factory hunting ammo is down-loaded to insure that even the oldest rifles with softer steel can handle the pressure. If handloaded, it will take game as big as moose with no problem.

As far as people wanting weapons used by the Germans, these are often very sought after and there are many people that collect such things. There is a gun show I go to from time to time that has several people who have tables strictly for German/**** collector items. These rifles are a part of history and good examples are hard to come by.

The reason your rifle doesn't hold much collector value is that it has been sporterized. If you have the original stock and can restore it back to its original condition, it would be worth more. But, once you've re-finished and re-stocked and done anything to remove the markings, you've destroyed its collector value. Its a pity because rifles with matching serial numbers are hard to come by.

Your rifle would be worth more as an action than it would be as a rifle. If you were to take the rifle apart and have the barrel removed, action cleaned up and polished, tapped for a scope, bolt handle replaced for one made to clear a scope and a safety that would clear the scope, you'd have something that would sell for a decent amount of money.

If I were you, I'd keep it and enjoy it the way it is. OR, possibly try to sell it in the $300 to $350 range.
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Its not worth a whole lot, but not because of these reasons. 8x57 Mauser ammo can be bought cheaply by the case and is easy to find in large amounts if you go to gun shows. These rifles were some of the most widely made and the 8x57 is one of the most widely chambered cartridges next to the 7.62x39, 7.62x51 (308) and 30-06. Some of it is pretty good ammo too. Some great cartridges share the same case. The parent case is the 7x57 Mauser. There is also the 8x57 Mauser, 6mm/244 Remington, 257 Roberts, 6.5x57 Mauser and I also believe there are wildcats using other bullet diameters.

8x57 makes a very capable cartridge and sits right between the 308 and 30-06 for case capacity. With reloading dies, its a great big game cartridge as most factory hunting ammo is down-loaded to insure that even the oldest rifles with softer steel can handle the pressure. If handloaded, it will take game as big as moose with no problem.

As far as people wanting weapons used by the Germans, these are often very sought after and there are many people that collect such things. There is a gun show I go to from time to time that has several people who have tables strictly for German/**** collector items. These rifles are a part of history and good examples are hard to come by.

The reason your rifle doesn't hold much collector value is that it has been sporterized. If you have the original stock and can restore it back to its original condition, it would be worth more. But, once you've re-finished and re-stocked and done anything to remove the markings, you've destroyed its collector value. Its a pity because rifles with matching serial numbers are hard to come by.

Your rifle would be worth more as an action than it would be as a rifle. If you were to take the rifle apart and have the barrel removed, action cleaned up and polished, tapped for a scope, bolt handle replaced for one made to clear a scope and a safety that would clear the scope, you'd have something that would sell for a decent amount of money.

If I were you, I'd keep it and enjoy it the way it is. OR, possibly try to sell it in the $300 to $350 range.
Maybe, I should have said "It's not worth very much because of the cartridge 8mm". Used by German snipers as a favorite, The cartridge originated in 1905, ammunition choices are dismal, not a popular round at all in the USA. The 30-06 will do anything that slow cartridge will do a whole lot better, unless you want to shoot deer with round nose bullets of 170 grn. @ 2200 fps.The nice thing about that chambering is you will be able to get very close to the deer because they will not be intimidated.
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Maybe, I should have said "It's not worth very much because of the cartridge 8mm". Used by German snipers as a favorite, The cartridge originated in 1905, ammunition choices are dismal, not a popular round at all in the USA. The 30-06 will do anything that slow cartridge will do a whole lot better, unless you want to shoot deer with round nose bullets of 170 grn. @ 2200 fps.The nice thing about that chambering is you will be able to get very close to the deer because they will not be intimidated.
Ha, that sounds good. I just shot some old factory 170gr Round Nose and thought that I had squib loads because they were so light. My 196gr military stuff had a lot more recoil and weren't falling off the paper at 200 yards. But, when loaded properly, its a fine cartridge. My grandfather used it on caribou and moose in Alaska when he was stationed up there. Handloads of course with Nosler Partitions.

You are also right that the 8mm has never been successful in America regardless of case. The 8mm Remington Magnum was a flash in the pan. The 325 WSM will also probably end up dying if we follow the trend.
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Maybe, I should have said "It's not worth very much because of the cartridge 8mm". Used by German snipers as a favorite, The cartridge originated in 1905, ammunition choices are dismal, not a popular round at all in the USA. The 30-06 will do anything that slow cartridge will do a whole lot better, unless you want to shoot deer with round nose bullets of 170 grn. @ 2200 fps.The nice thing about that chambering is you will be able to get very close to the deer because they will not be intimidated
The 8mm Mauser round was used by German snipers because it was the standard service round of the German military.
The 8mm Mauser was developed around 1888, not 1905.
The 8mm Mauser is not a "slow" round and it is ballistic close to the '06 w/180gr bullets.
There are many 8mm bullets out there so where do you come up with the round nose comment, reload.
And I'll refrain from telling you what I really think about the last sentence in your post but will say you are sadly mistaken.

Like most Americans I don't have much use for any of the 8mm rounds but they will do the job.

Check out this link, http://www.petersenshunting.com/content/8x57-mauser
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The 8mm Mauser round was used by German snipers because it was the standard service round of the German military.
The 8mm Mauser was developed around 1888, not 1905.
The 8mm Mauser is not a "slow" round and it is ballistic close to the '06 w/180gr bullets.
There are many 8mm bullets out there so where do you come up with the round nose comment, reload.
And I'll refrain from telling you what I really think about the last sentence in your post but will say you are sadly mistaken.

Like most Americans I don't have much use for any of the 8mm rounds but they will do the job.

Check out this link, http://www.petersenshunting.com/content/8x57-mauser
Keta you took the words right out of my mouth. To anyone who knows better the 8mm Mauser is very capable.
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Killed my first elk with grandpa`s old 8x57 mod #98. Peep sites. Bill
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The Germans wrote the book on modern sniper warfare early in WWI (1914). It was years before the British caught up. Of course they had those 8x57 Mausers and the early Zeiss scopes. They could do things at long range like no one else. C.W.
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The Germans wrote the book on modern sniper warfare early in WWI (1914). It was years before the British caught up. Of course they had those 8x57 Mausers and the early Zeiss scopes. They could do things at long range like no one else. C.W.
Funny how they did those things without free-floated barrels or any of that, isn't it?
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