Reporting your catch !!

dawhunt · 03-14-2004, 05:46 PM

When you get checked by a fish checker as you pull out or while your on the water I wouldn't tell them how many nates I've caught and turned loose.All that info goes against our allotment.
Thats me,its up to you but I wouldn't,if I caught nothing but nates as far as the checker is concerned I didn't catch anything.I know this isn't right but they took us off the water because of the netters last year,I'm not going to help them take us off this year.So please no bragging on i-fish either because I'm sure they read it also.This sort of goes along with no pictures of them either.
Bob

blacktail519 · 03-14-2004, 05:49 PM

Ya know, We were just talking about this out on the river today

Lured In · 03-14-2004, 05:52 PM

Bob..your back must be feeling better, you sound really frisky! :shocked:

Only two more days and you can start fishing your honey hole.

STGRule · 03-14-2004, 05:53 PM

Couldn't live with myself if I lied. And it's lying. Besides, fishers who do this are not fooling anybody. They just bump up the estimates. There are published scientific data on non-compliance and the factoring numbers to go with it. It's all figured in. There are many ways to adjust up or down depending on the data and controls.

blacktail519 · 03-14-2004, 05:58 PM

They'll shut us off when THEY want to shut us off. Regardless of what sarcastic numbers they come up with it [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img]

The Overfishin Condition · 03-14-2004, 06:03 PM

This has been a topic of conversation in a boat or two. STGRule is probably right, and lying is probably not the way to go about it. Although, I feel like as sportsfishermen we've probably been the victim of a few lies and deceits coming the other direction.I would consider not telling them about natives, only, I don't usually get checked. In fact, the only times that I've been checked are down at Bouy 10, I guess it helps that we usually fish out of a boat moored in a private marina, cheatin the system, TOC.

Ty · 03-14-2004, 06:28 PM

I thing it is wrong to lye.......however, I think this whole non-clipping of hatchery thing is crazy.

nofishon2day · 03-14-2004, 06:37 PM

The last thing you need is a "formula" being implemented if they feel we're not being honest. I've seen it done. Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot.

[ 03-14-2004, 07:39 PM: Message edited by: nofishon2day ]

crabbait · 03-14-2004, 06:46 PM

So, let's see....we get upset when the netters decide not to let observers onboard.....then we decide not to accurately report our wild fish.

What would we think of the netters not reporting wild fish?

blacktail519 · 03-14-2004, 06:50 PM

Good point Crabbait, I didnt think of it that way.

glowball · 03-14-2004, 06:57 PM

They've already got a formula. What about the fly bys? I've lost a lot of faith in wdfg in the last few years. I just don't trust em.

A-Boss · 03-14-2004, 07:16 PM

People <complain> about what a crappy job fish and game does at managing the fish and then they advocate giving them bogus data to make their decisions. I guess I just don't understand that mentality.

I also agree with Crabbait, you can't <complain> about the commercials and indians under reporting their catch if you're doing the same thing.

[ 03-14-2004, 08:40 PM: Message edited by: STGRule ]

glowball · 03-14-2004, 07:32 PM

The difference is they count it against us. Do they count all the fish that the commercials get against their quota? I don't know, but would find it interesting. Anyone know for sure if they do or don't?

The Overfishin Condition · 03-14-2004, 07:39 PM

llabwolg- commercials are on the same system we are, there season ends if they kill more than 2% (I think) of the native winter steelhead run (I think again.) There is also a percent of native springers they must stay under. This of course only a applies to years where they don't overharvest and kill between 10%-20% of wild steelhead, like a certain year in recent memory. Crabbait, point well taken, and while standing by, that I never have actually lied to a gamey, I also feel the fact that netters were refusing to have observers, pretty clearly demonstrates the fact they were likely doing something wrong, which, in all likelyhood was not counting native releases. [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img] Indeed frustrating.

Silver Hilton · 03-14-2004, 08:27 PM

Overfishin, I believe it's 2% of the wild salmon impact allotment. Their impact is calculated the same as ours - they assume that a certain percentage of handled wild salmon will die. I believe the assumed percentage is 25% for commercials (can't find my notes) using tangle nets, and 10% for sporties. I don't know how they calculate the base number of wild fish handled, but I suspect it would be an extrapolation from angler reports. If I were in charge of the stats, I would cross correlate angler reports with the observed % of hatchery to wild fish crossing fish count points, and develop a correction factor. Since it took me about 10 seconds to figure out that hack method of correcting, I'll bet the folks that get paid to do it have done something as well, probably better. Point being, fib if you want to, it won't work or matter. But I believe it's wrong to do so.

I understand the distrust of the fish management folks, but count me among one of those who believes that if it reasonable for us to expect them to tell the truth to us, it's not unreasonable for them to expect us to tell the truth to them.

So, Bob, I'm sorry, but I disagree with your recommendation, and hope you'll change your mind in the future.

However, I also suggest that y'all just do what I do and shake the wild fish off shortly after the strike.

[ 03-14-2004, 09:28 PM: Message edited by: Silver Hilton ]

The Overfishin Condition · 03-14-2004, 08:57 PM

SH- Yes I was fighting with the 2%, which one that was assigned to, I know that it is 2% for one of them. Also, I think the mortality rate in the 9 inch mesh might be 30% that just off the top of my head, and then it's different for 8 inch, and 4 and 1/2 inch, there's a whole lot of numbers flying around. Sadly, my mistrust of the CRC and fisheries management is only increasing as we go through problems like over-harvest, and then, recommended 16 hr fishing periods, a commitment to that, then BAM 24 hr fishing periods. No matter, you can call me honest Abe from now on.

SalmonSeason · 03-15-2004, 08:38 AM

Crabbait- Right on the $$$ [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img] Although I do not like the guessing game or estimates, but this is ODFW's idea of doing it as accurately and affordable...

I have to say it again...If you were at the meetings to fight the nets and/or give testimony then grieve all you want...If you were NOT there or never attend-DON'T want to hear it