Buoy 10 fishery economics etc...

Jennie@ifish · 07-26-2002, 08:19 AM

How many trips do you estimate you will take to Buoy 10, or the general area?

Jennie@ifish · 07-26-2002, 08:22 AM

As with all polls, I probably forgot an option, etc.
If you can think of more Buoy 10 questions, feel free to do a poll!
I find this very interesting!
... and exciting! I can't wait!
J

fish-n-alot · 07-26-2002, 09:39 AM

Jennie;

Any specific reason for the poll or just because all of us are ALL excited about Astoria this year? Last year was a great year too.

Jennie@ifish · 07-26-2002, 09:47 AM

Excitement, general interest, no reason.
I thought it might be interesting for the guides/charters/businesses, to see where ifish traffic and money goes.

Jen

Hogmaster · 07-26-2002, 10:10 AM

Hey folk!

It is early in the survey, but look what I did just playing with the results:

When I looked there were a total of 27 respondents who indicated they were going. I used averages from Jennie's questions -
12 say they are going 1 to 5 times - say 3
10 say they are going 6-10 times - say 8
5 say they are goin 11-16 times - say 13

That totals for 27 folk 12X3+10X8+5X13 or approximately 181 angler trips by the respondents.

Then I looked at the estimated spending:
6 say spend 15 - 30 say 22
18 say spend 30 - 100 say 62
4 say spend over 100 say 200

That totals for 28 folk 6X22+18X62+4X200/28 or about 73 bucks per angler per trip.

If you multiply the 181 angler days by the 73 bucks per trip it totals $13,123!

Just for 27 or 28 fishermen, not even including their buddies!

I don't know about the rest of you, but it seems to me I have typically seen a few more than 28 anglers at Buoy 10 when I go. Gave me a bit of a view of the economic impact, however imprecise the survey and my science is. Multiply that $73 bucks by 1000 anglers and 30 days when the heart of the season is going on. It totals $2,190,000!! Much (most) going to the Astoria area economy...

monoman · 07-26-2002, 10:41 AM

Let's be honest...how much does it cost!

Boat.....lets say 25,000, some are less but most are more.
Gas..I burn lots...25 gallons plus a day.
Bait..a pack and half person..aleast!
Tackle..I keep track of mine and I know I have spent will past my tackle fund.
Than you get to the truck, the red lion, the food, STOP! Don't add it up, just push the button that states more than $100 a day!

Salmonator · 07-26-2002, 10:43 AM

Exactly. Less than a hundred bucks a day is what I tell my wife, not the actual total at the end of the day

Hogmaster · 07-26-2002, 10:55 AM

I agree. But only to an extent.

My little exercise was trying to get a gauge on the impact around Astoria. That's why I didn't consider the cost of the boat, raingear, GPS or other gear in the cost of the excursion.

Of course those are HUGE costs that have enormous economic impact, but for the most part not on greater Astoria itself.

The fact is my buddies and I, just like your buddies and you, divy up the gas and bait bills, right? Sure, if you stay over the bill goes up considerably, but even there it is "shared" And a wife trip still needs to be divided by 2 to get a cost per angler impact. Add in some meals and other incidentals and get your out of pocket for the trip.

So, actually, I think the $70 - 75 dollar range is proably a fairly good average. Skewed higher by the folks paying for guides or driving 52' Tollys, but also skewed lower by the 14' Klamaths pulled by a 4 banger Nissan and fishing 3 guys bringing their own lunch on a day trip...

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crabbait · 07-26-2002, 02:57 PM

Just got back from Fishermen's. Third trip preparatory for B10. $157.00 (about average per trip). Makes it feel like I am not spending as much when I go several trips instead of all at once.

Will have to kennel Nick for about a week, $300. Plus his kennel cough shot.

B&B for a week at $100 per plus resturant and bar tab.

Where are we meeting to pre-and post-brief this fish fest? Red Lion?

steelheadslayer · 07-26-2002, 03:06 PM

COLD HARD CASH, that's what we spend every year on our little excursions for our finny friends. When is anybody with half a brain and in the political arena ( the half figure sounds about right [img]graemlins/stupid.gif[/img] ) going to realize that the sportsmen pay for everyone to enjoy the outdoors. I don't want to see anybody out of work with our economy, but, I have a hard time seeing netters make a living on the Columbia. Enough on the soapbox. Jennie, it'll be intersting seeing the results of this poll, but maybe you should forward a figure of our expenditures to someone.

Hogmaster · 07-26-2002, 03:15 PM

Hey crabbait!

Based on your recommendation yesterday I went to Joe's and got a 8.1 grain 800FPS but much stealthier delivery mechanism for administering lead poisoning to the 'coons living ON my carport.

The pellet deliverer set me back $120 clams.

Now, the reason I am posting it here is that I am wondering if a case can be made that 'coons are contributing to the local economy!

Maybe a poll - How many coon backyard hunting trips do you take in the average year?
How much will you spend on gear?
What methods do you use?

RACCOONS are good for the economy! Maybe the netters can get jobs as exterminators!

:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

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crabbait · 07-26-2002, 03:22 PM

Hogmaster - If the delivery system said "RWS" on it I am very familiar. I upgraded to the .22 pill size. Excellent............

Jennie@ifish · 07-26-2002, 11:00 PM

This is REALLY interesting.
I think someone ought to send this to someone!
Who? I dunno, but it proves we spend an awful lot of money!

Where would our schools be without us?
[img]graemlins/icon_argue.gif[/img] :shocked: [img]graemlins/icon_argue.gif[/img]

Jen

King Fisher · 07-26-2002, 11:10 PM

Just don't send it to my wife. :depressed:

O.K. Please :grin:

monoman · 07-26-2002, 11:12 PM

The standard figure used in most text, has been around $200 per trip. This figure takes in the big spenders and the brown baggers. Astoria does not care how much sportsman spend. They won't even help with tournments or fishing events, they don't care. I spend money ever year in that fine town. The the city managers have turn their nose to the sportsman. But, I have hope, maybe some of those pro ground fish guys will become pro sportsman......I'm holding my breath....a little blue here....hey Astoria, can you hear......fading!

CATCH AND EAT · 07-26-2002, 11:21 PM

Right Jen, it shoulb be sent to Governor Kitzblabber to show that cutting hatchery funding will cost more than just 1.8 million from an economic standpoint.

Where does he get his actuaries at anyways? Costco? :shocked:

We all spend tons of money over there on both the Oregon and Washington side. $75 is probably a decent figure.

Hogmaster · 07-26-2002, 11:24 PM

King Fisher and monoman, your secrets are safe with me!

Take my example now and move to the 30 core period of mid Sept-Oct on Tillamook bay. Another couple mil for that community too!

Some people in Astoria must appreciate it. I'm sure the Guide Shop and Kimmels do in the land of 'mookians!

Smily · 07-26-2002, 11:24 PM

On one of the questions where will you launch? Another answer would be Chinook. Or is that a secret place?

:smile: Smily :smile:

Jennie@ifish · 07-26-2002, 11:45 PM

Sh! Don't tell about Chinook!!!
Geez, Smily!

Anyway... I didn't know all the Washington launches, so I just grouped them together...

Jen

Miss B Haven · 07-26-2002, 11:51 PM

Oops Jennie - I think I screwed up your statistics. I thought you meant how much do you plan on spending per POUND (of fish fish caught) - $100.00

Jennie@ifish · 07-27-2002, 06:02 AM

Buoy 10, raccoons, guns... yeah, I can see the relevance?? :smile: Funny how threads take on a life of their own...

Anyway, to the top! More voters!
Jen

BigBeanCounter · 07-27-2002, 08:07 AM

The most unfortunate aspect of this discussion is the fact that the politico's don't give a #$*& about the true dollars of economic impact because there isn't much opportunity for them to use it to line their own pockets!!!

Maybe if we offered them enough free fishing trips/salmon bakes they'd care a little more, but that means we'd have to put up with those blowhards from salem in our boats...Can you say BORING!!

Hogmaster · 07-27-2002, 08:44 AM

Now that's a poll question to add, Jennie!

"Are you planning, or would you take a blowhard legislator from Salem on a fishing excursion to Buoy 10 to show them what fishing means to Oregon?"

0 Blowhard trips
1-5 Blowhard trips
6-10 Blowhard trips
More than 10

:grin:

steelheadslayer · 07-27-2002, 12:19 PM

Blowhard trips, have to think about that one. Maybe we could use em if we have some unfortunate boat trouble and need some power to keep trolling. Or, maybe they'd push us to fast and we'd end up in So. Cal. trolling for tuna.

bigshark · 07-27-2002, 06:31 PM

Hi Jenny
Hope I'm not taken the wrong way but this well intended attempt to get a handle on the economic impact of the Bouy 10 is not even close to reality. So what is? Sorry I don't have the answer. The correct approch is through the use of an algorithm or in plain talk, a math
prceedure that takes many effects of the spending into account. How sophisticated they can be is too complicated to even begin to explain here. I have seen some so complex as to show how some personal incomes will be effected that will result in upward bracketing of
taxation. Yep, thats a benefit to the city and county and state and even the fed. Ugh! Anyway let me at least suggest that the end result can be many many multiples of what a
cursory attempt would suggest. It is not unlike the circular flow of cash or the effect of compounding interest rates etc. The obvious
can be misleading by having the actual end impact 5,10, or more times above what raw beginning numbers suggest.
Now where is *** to do a better job in explaining this? Hey, *** are you out there?
How about a little help!
Jenny, I think a call to the ODFW might give you an answer to what dollar value they assign the Bouy 10 fishery.

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Point-of-Sale Clerk · 07-27-2002, 07:06 PM

Bigshark

Yeah I am here, but economic multipliers send me straight into a coma.

NSIA has all the numbers I believe regarding economic value per sports dollar but it would take a tax accountant to explain the real impact on a local tax base� I have been called many things but �accountant� has thus never been that cruelly used :grin:

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