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Old 11-11-2010, 04:28 PM   #1
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WOW! that thing is about 1/4 HEAD!

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Old 11-11-2010, 04:29 PM   #2
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Old 11-11-2010, 04:34 PM   #3
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It'll smoke just fine, perfect for those friends that always bother you about giving them fish!

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this may be a dumb question but what the heck is it other than ugly
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Old 11-11-2010, 04:37 PM   #5
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Big Chinook.

There's a lot of old stories about 100 pounders in the Elwha....maybe there's still a little of those genetics left.

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I bet it still Cut real good...
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Old 11-11-2010, 05:17 PM   #7
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Old 11-11-2010, 05:22 PM   #8
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Hey, if it doesn't fall thru the net like soup, it'll work real well in the smoker, just use some brine/n/bite to toughen it up.
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Old 11-11-2010, 05:40 PM   #9
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A little history on the Elwha,
......a concrete dam was built a few miles from the mouth, no fish ladder installed wiping out a run of very large fish Ground beneath the dam wasnt able to hold back the force of the resivoir and blew out a big hole under the dam making a large concrete bridge Rocks were blasted off the walls of the canyon and pulled under the dam filling in the hole under the dam. Smaller rocks filled in the holes and eventually the reservoir was paved trying to hold back the water. The reservoir is very shallow (around 20 - 30 feet +/-)

I have not seen the dam for almost 20 years. We provided a quote to try and stop/slow the 400 +/- gallons a minute of water leaking under the dam. Our proposal was not accepted.

Good to see a big fish in the river
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Old 11-11-2010, 05:43 PM   #10
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Thats a chinook? I thought it was a big chum
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Old 11-11-2010, 05:58 PM   #11
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Thats a chinook? I thought it was a big chum
Chum don't even get close to that big, They may fight like it though.
I think the world record Chum is in the mid thirty's.
That bad boy is way past that.
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Old 11-11-2010, 06:10 PM   #12
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Those are good genes
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Old 11-11-2010, 06:11 PM   #13
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Dang, I can smell that nasty old thing right through the computer monitor!
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Old 11-11-2010, 06:12 PM   #14
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Isn''t that dam scheduled for removal? I thought it was done a few years ago.
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Old 11-11-2010, 06:28 PM   #15
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Isn''t that dam scheduled for removal? I thought it was done a few years ago.

Next summer. 2011 it's scheduled to come down, along with the Glines Canyon dam. At the time it will be the largest dam removal project in the history of the United States.


There has been a lot of attention given to the Rogue River in Southern Oregon, and for good reason. Great things are happening on the Rogue. Especially in regards to dam removal and fish passage.

But with these dams coming out. Both of which were built without fish passage, to me, is one of the most exciting things I can think of in terms of habitat restoration on such a large scale.

I hope I live long enough to see the Elwha return to it's original form, in part, if not in full!


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Old 11-11-2010, 06:48 PM   #16
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My research leads me to say with great certainty that this fish is a Tyranonookis . Or a Stegosamonidis. Or aTricerofishis. For sure. Really! (it couldn't be a photshopteris)

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Old 11-11-2010, 07:36 PM   #17
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So many people say "what an ugly beast". Myself it's beautiful. Maybe not in aesthetics but in it's genetics. Yes the rivers can still produce giant fish.
The head on that fish weighs more than most whole springer's...
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Old 11-11-2010, 07:42 PM   #18
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Old 11-11-2010, 07:54 PM   #19
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I could only think how he looked like a oompa-loopa holding a choca-nook!
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Old 11-11-2010, 11:53 PM   #20
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Dang that is a huge nook!
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Old 11-12-2010, 12:16 AM   #21
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Looks like he could he anything he wanted. What were the stats? How long, girth, and other facts on this incredible ceature. I think it would scare most of the general public if they were swimmimg around something that looked like that.

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Old 11-12-2010, 05:09 AM   #22
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That thing looks a bit ripe. Can't wait for the dams on the Elwha to go. Yet another reason to retire on the Oly Pen.
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Old 11-12-2010, 05:17 AM   #23
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that's a dandy! that thing will smoke up great!

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Old 11-12-2010, 06:25 AM   #24
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Is that the fish trap at a hatchery? Is the guy wearing a wet suit?
I am not sure I would get in the water with that set of teeth or survive if I did!
It's easy to see how the river was named. Elwha is what would come out of my mouth when I saw that!
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Old 11-12-2010, 06:59 AM   #25
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A little more information on the cool things happening on the Elwha!


August 27, 2010
Contractor Selected for Elwha Dam Removal
Contact: Barb Maynes, 360-565-3005
Contact: Dave Reynolds, 360-565-2985

Barnard Construction Company of Bozeman, Montana has been selected as the contractor to remove the Elwha and Glines Canyon dams on the Olympic Peninsula's Elwha River. The National Park Service's Denver Service Center announced award of the $26,939,800 contract today. Dam removal will begin approximately 13 months from now, in September 2011.

"This is a historic moment," said Olympic National Park Superintendent Karen Gustin. "With award of this contact, we begin the countdown to the largest dam removal and one of the largest restoration projects in U.S. history."

The contract includes removal of the 108-foot high Elwha Dam, completed in 1913, and the 210-foot high Glines Canyon Dam, completed in 1927, in the nation's largest dam removal to date.

Removing the two dams will allow fish to access spawning habitat in more than 70 miles of river and tributary stream, most of which is protected inside Olympic National Park.

The 45-mile long Elwha River is the historic home of all five species of Pacific salmon and has been legendary as one of the Northwest's most productive salmon streams. Because neither dam provided passage for migratory fish, salmon and other fish have been restricted to the lower five miles of river since dam construction.

"This story is about the fish," explained Frances Charles, Chairwoman of the Lower Elwha Klallam Tribe. "The Tribe looks forward to the return of the Chinook, and the abundance of fish from the stories our ancestors have been telling us about since the dams went up. We used to have salmon and other species out there, and we want them back and revived for our children, and our children's children."

"The award of this contract represents tangible progress toward the completion of what I believe will be one of the most exciting and biologically-significant initiatives ever launched by the federal government," said U.S. Rep. Norm Dicks, who represents Washington's 6th District which includes the Olympic Peninsula. "The removal of the two dams and the restoration of this unique and largely-protected habitat will demonstrate how these historically-abundant fish runs can recover when we 'turn back the clock.'"

Once underway, the removal process will take up to three years. Dam removal will release large amounts of sediment now impounded in reservoirs behind both dams, so stoppages will be built into the work schedule to limit the amount of sediment released at any given time, particularly when adult fish are in the river.

"Now that we know who the contractor is, we can begin discussions about how much public access can be provided during dam removal," remarked Gustin. "Our primary objective is safe removal of the two dams, but as much as possible, we would like to provide opportunities for people to safely visit the area and see this project for themselves."

A number of preparatory projects have already been completed, or are underway now. Facilities to protect the Port Angeles drinking and industrial water supplies were completed early this year. Improvements to flood protection levees are underway and a fish hatchery on the Lower Elwha Klallam Tribe's Reservation is now under construction to replace the tribe's existing hatchery. The new hatchery will help maintain existing stocks of Elwha River fish during dam removal and produce populations of coho, pink, and chum salmon and steelhead vital to restoration.

"As we have been appropriating funds for this project over many years, I have been encouraged that it received the consistent support of four administrations from both parties," said Dicks, who has served for his entire career on the House Subcommittee on Interior and the Environment which funds the National Park Service. He said another $20 million was included in the appropriations bill that the Interior subcommittee approved in late-July for the next fiscal year.

"There have been many Klallam people, including previous Tribal councils, who have worked hard toward reaching the milestone of removing the Elwha dams," said Charles. "The Tribe's actions toward dam removal are only following in the footsteps of our ancestors and former Tribal leaders requests' and have included many trips to Washington D.C. The Tribe takes pride in the protection of our environment in honor of our ancestors, Elders, and future generations."

The Elwha River Restoration project is possible through the support and participation of many partners, including the Bureau of Reclamation which was the lead agency in designing dam removal and sediment management strategies and currently operates and maintains the dams.

This landmark project includes:

Removing Elwha & Glines Canyon Dams
The largest dam removal in U.S. history will free the Elwha River after 100 years. Salmon populations will swell from 3,000 to more than 300,000 as all five species of Pacific salmon return to more than 70 miles of river and stream.

Renewing a Culture
The returning salmon and restored river will renew the culture of the Lower Elwha Klallam Tribe, who have lived along the Elwha River since time immemorial. Tribal members will have access to sacred sites now inundated and cultural traditions can be reborn. The NPS and the Tribe are primary partners on this project.

Restoring an Ecosystem
This project creates a living laboratory where people can watch and learn what happens when salmon return after a century to a still wild and protected ecosystem. The return of fish will bring bear, eagles, and other animals back to an ecosystem that has been deprived of this food source for a century.

Economic Benefits
Just as the dams played a vital role in the history and development of the area, removing them will create new opportunities for growth and regional vitality.

Restoring the Coast
Removing the dams will reestablish the natural flow of sediment from the mountains to the coast rebuilding wetlands, beaches and the estuary at the river's mouth.

More information about Elwha River Restoration is available at the Olympic National Park website http://www.nps.gov/olym or at the Elwha River Restoration Facebook page.

Information about the Lower Elwha Klallam Tribe can be found at http://www.elwhainfo.org/people-and-communities/lower-elwha-klallam-tribe or the Lower Elwha Klallam Tribe Facebook page.
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Awesome!!!!!!!
My only question is - How long a fillet knife to cut this bad boy up? Maybe a BIG SPOON?
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Old 11-12-2010, 07:39 AM   #27
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In the summertime I've always put on a snorkel mask and watched his brothers and sisters when they are chrome. And yes there are bigger ones than that in the mix.
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Old 11-12-2010, 08:04 AM   #28
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the caption below the picture quoted "it cut really dark"
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Any idea how much that thing weighs/weighed when fresh? I'm so intrigued at the possibility of the Elwha's magnificent giants one day returning...
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Can't wait for the dams on the Elwha to go.
It's been a long time coming.... here's a pic of the ugly plug. I took this in 2004 when it seemed removal was truly going to happen.

For a fish-benefit fundraiser, they ought to auction the privilage of setting off the first demolition charge!


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Old 11-12-2010, 10:55 AM   #31
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Gary,

Its unlikely they will blow anything up. Most of the concrete work is done by excavators with Jack hammer attachments. They will pick up the rubble and truck it out. There will be a lot of rebar in the mix. The steel will be cut up and hauled to the barge or rail. Most likely going to seattle or Everett or Tacoma if by rail. If PA has the facilities, the lower transportation costs will benefit PA.
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WOW! that thing is about 1/4 HEAD!


It does have unusual proportions. What I find most amazing is that a fish that LOOKS like that, was actualy still ALIVE !!

That is usually the kind of CARCASS you see some wildlife guy holding up for photo.

Truly amazing and give me hope for the future. I REALLY hope we do this right.
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It'll smoke just fine, perfect for those friends that always bother you about giving them fish!

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It's been a long time coming.... here's a pic of the ugly plug. I took this in 2004 when it seemed removal was truly going to happen.

For you history buffs, here's the very same dam in 1913, about the time it was completed. From the looks of things they basically just blasted away the hillside until the found bedrock to put in the dam



Quite the spillway...



There are several photos of the Elwha at http://content.lib.washington.edu
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I'll bet the diver wish he had NOT taken his mask & air supply off.

How big 50 - 55 ?
Hey maybe it could be a Ifish contest !!!

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That fish would have been a sight to behold while still chrome!

And it's great to see another dam removal project. Now if they'd just figure out a way to get native salmon and steelhead back in the upper Santiams.......
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[QUOTE=blackdog;3377471]That fish would have been a sight to behold while still chrome!

And it's great to see another dam removal project. Now if they'd just figure out a way to get native salmon and steelhead back in the upper Santiams.......[/QUOTE]

Exactly what I was thinking!
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..Now if they'd just figure out a way to get native salmon and steelhead back in the upper Santiams.......
Wouldn't you like to see the pics and stories of when Marion Forks was a destination for steelhead fishing?

Fish Marion Forks in the AM, and then over the pass, to fish the Metolius for chinook.
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So many people say "what an ugly beast". Myself it's beautiful. Maybe not in aesthetics but in it's genetics. Yes the rivers can still produce giant fish.
The head on that fish weighs more than most whole springer's...
Ya he beat the odds thats one tuff dad. no snagger, sea lion or even a well informed ifisher had a chance with him.
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Wouldn't you like to see the pics and stories of when Marion Forks was a destination for steelhead fishing?

Fish Marion Forks in the AM, and then over the pass, to fish the Metolius for chinook.

the things my grandfather used to talk about
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WOW a 70+ a Tulachumook. I have not seen one of those in a milineum or so
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Big Chinook.

There's a lot of old stories about 100 pounders in the Elwha....maybe there's still a little of those genetics left.

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the dam this year I believe. It will be nice to get those genetics back up river.
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Next summer. 2011 it's scheduled to come down, along with the Glines Canyon dam. At the time it will be the largest dam removal project in the history of the United States.


There has been a lot of attention given to the Rogue River in Southern Oregon, and for good reason. Great things are happening on the Rogue. Especially in regards to dam removal and fish passage.

But with these dams coming out. Both of which were built without fish passage, to me, is one of the most exciting things I can think of in terms of habitat restoration on such a large scale.

I hope I live long enough to see the Elwha return to it's original form, in part, if not in full!



I'm sure the fishing will be better soon, but I assure you it hasn't done great things yet. The Savage rapids needed to go it was letting fry fall off the top and die from the 30 ft fall. But the Gold ray was five feet high and definately a waste of money, it had a great ladder sytem. I'm sure that the runs will be better in the future, but as for now the fishing this year was extremely slow because they took the upper dam out during salmon/steelhead season and it murked the water up.
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I'm sure the fishing will be better soon, but I assure you it hasn't done great things yet. The Savage rapids needed to go it was letting fry fall off the top and die from the 30 ft fall. But the Gold ray was five feet high and definately a waste of money, it had a great ladder sytem. I'm sure that the runs will be better in the future, but as for now the fishing this year was extremely slow because they took the upper dam out during salmon/steelhead season and it murked the water up.
As for the Rogue River, give it a little time and good things are going to happen. In fact, with the discovery of many new redds located in the waters that use to be behind both Savage Rapids and Gold Ray dams, a person could say good things are already happening.

Also, even if Gold Ray had a great ladder system, the slow water behind the dam was hazardous for outmigrating smolts. It was also a breeding ground for warm water species of fish that just shouldn't be there.

My biggest concern in regards to the Elwha dams being removed, is how the river is managed, once it's freed. This is a HUGE opportunity to learn, study and hopefully do things right!

I will be following it's progress with much anticipation!


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Old 11-13-2010, 07:55 AM   #45
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When I see those dams I see what an important part of history they were and the good they did the economy of the local area. Both these dams were the main reason that the Port Angeles area existed as it did for so long. The lower Elwha Dam provided the power for the mills and the town for years and years. The water for Port Angeles came from this project as well.

Now, the project has outlived it's usefullness, and it's being retired. The National Park Service has spent more taxpayers money on this project that ANY OTHER PARK SERVICE ACQUISITION PROJECT EVER, which is amazing considering the other things the Park Service has been involved in.

I was up there a few months ago with some of the Park Service folks who have been involved in the project from the beginning. They are extremely proud of what has been accomplished so far, the water facility they built for the city is incredible! If you are ever in the area, go drive through and take a look, it's pretty amazing.

The NPS has spent millions and millions of dollars to pay for new BPA transmission lines from the CR dams to give power to the area. Replacement of the power from the Elwha dam, as well as the city water facilities, is why it's taken so long for this project to finally happen (along with appropriating the money in Congress).

Right now they are working rapidly to dredge the upper dam, the amount of silt behind that dam would destroy things below if it were allowed to go all at once. The silt isn't as bad below the lower dam, but still substantial.

There were some piggies in the trap below the dam, nothing like what the guy in the picture is holding, but definitely a bunch of 30's. There genetics are still there, given the time I bet the sizes will return given the new/old habitat that is being opened up.

Bottom line to me is that these dams, and many others throughout the NW, made complete sense at the time. These two have outlived their usefullness and it's time for them to go, like some other dams (Savage Rapids, Gold Ray, etc.). I'm all for removal of these types of dams, and I hope we continue to analyze each impoundment in the NW to see if it is still a positive impact in it's area. If not, it should be removed. If it is still positive, such as the large flood prevention dams in the Willamette Valley and Rogue Basin, or the CR power dams, then it should be maintained.

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Old 11-13-2010, 09:27 AM   #46
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$26.9 million to remove? And it still is moving at a glacial pace... Ouch. I remember driving across that dam in the 70s & 80s. It was defunct and they were talking about taking it out then. Delaying due to legal arguments, posturing, permits and engineering concerns has cost how many potential fish in these past forty years?

Too bad the one of the Portland based Oregon National Guard F-15s can't buzz up there (or an A-6 Intruder out of Whidbey Island Naval Air Station) whack it with a dam buster and get her done in a morning. Silt? I bet it would wash out and only affect a relatively short portion of the 70 miles of river. Salmon are equiped to deal with it too... I bet they'd swim past it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to see these dams going. The fact that it takes so long and so much money is ludicrous. This seems to be a study in how NOT to remove dams more than anything else. C.W.
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Old 11-13-2010, 09:35 AM   #47
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I remember back 40+ years ago, you could tell you had caught an Elwa strain nook in the salt because it was soooo Looooooong!!! Hope that someday they return in mass again!
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$26.9 million to remove? And it still is moving at a glacial pace... Ouch. I remember driving across that dam in the 70s & 80s. It was defunct and they were talking about taking it out then. Delaying due to legal arguments, posturing, permits and engineering concerns has cost how many potential fish in these past forty years?

Too bad the one of the Portland based Oregon National Guard F-15s can't buzz up there (or an A-6 Intruder out of Whidbey Island Naval Air Station) whack it with a dam buster and get her done in a morning. Silt? I bet it would wash out and only affect a relatively short portion of the 70 miles of river. Salmon are equiped to deal with it too... I bet they'd swim past it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to see these dams going. The fact that it takes so long and so much money is ludicrous. This seems to be a study in how NOT to remove dams more than anything else. C.W.
Actually, you're going against all available science with your thoughts; not to mention the huge amount of money that was spent on the water system below, a system which would be overwhelmed. Not to mention the possible damage that could be done to the existing runs below the dam, lots of silt at the right time could completely wipe out a generation of fish.

That dam wasn't defunct; it generated electricity until just recently, when the lines were finally finished into the area from elsewhere. If the dam had just been torn out without any thought of how to power the people in the area, you'd have people without power. NPS actually operated the dam and helped pay a portion of the cost of the new powerlines by the revenue from the power generation.

Was there legal and political posturing? You bet, from all sides. This is getting done right; the fish have been waiting a long time, a few more years wasn't going to matter one way or another.

Although it would be cool to see what a missle would do to it!!

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Old 11-14-2010, 08:57 AM   #49
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what a beast!!! nice to see that it was most likely able to spawn i would love to have a job in dam removal, what a rewarding job not only for ones self but for everyone and the environment! if anyone has a line on a job in that field please pm me!

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that is one big monster... i hope they took his genetics and stored it in some vault in the arctic
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Old 11-15-2010, 04:09 PM   #51
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Saw this article today, thought I'd pass it along:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...59_outn14.html

I didn't realize they were opening a new hatchery on that river. I'm not a "hatchery fish hater" like some, and I certainly am not a scientist or biologist, and I'm sure my opinion is woefully uninformed, BUT: I do wonder what would happen to the river if they just left it alone to natural repopulation. It is such a magnificent river -- a hatchery seems a bit of a shame there.
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Old 11-15-2010, 04:45 PM   #52
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The thing about the hatchery that some are forgetting is that due to the lack of spawning grounds (5 miles of big rock) since the dams have been in place is that those chinook have always been collected in the hatchery. Without it those genes wouldn't even be around. If the new hatchery is just used as a supplementation while the river is heavily silted I'm for it. When that time period has passed and the hatchery is still used to pump out hoards of fish than that is a shame.
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