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Old 08-13-2010, 07:59 AM   #1
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is it leagal...?
what can i use to bait...?
what is legal and what isnt...i have been trying to find this info out..?

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you can't bait bear
you can't bait game birds
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where are you at? washington, oregon?
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In Oregon it is illegal to bait any game animals, but salt used to be considered a mineral not a bait.
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In Oregon it is illegal to bait any game animals, but salt used to be considered a mineral not a bait.
completely untrue my friend it is LEGAL to bait deer and elk how do i know u ask? well since i couldnt find anything in the synopsis i call salem heard if from ODFW directly LEGAL TO BAIT DEER AND ELK
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In oregon, it is LEGAl to bait deer and elk. They too smart anyways, on opening day.. they will not come to the salt lick... they know the calendar..yikes!!
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In oregon, it is LEGAl to bait deer and elk. They too smart anyways, on opening day.. they will not come to the salt lick... they know the calendar..yikes!!

Oh they'll come the question is can we out wait them to do so. (I know how my A.D.D. is LOL) Seeing the pics we get makes us think they should always be there.

Personally I like salt for pictures but would rather get on a hot bull and be aggressive with him.
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can someone post where they saw it is legal to bait deer and elk in oregon. I though I read you cannot do it.
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can someone post where they saw it is legal to bait deer and elk in oregon. I though I read you cannot do it.
I too have talked to ODFW and it is legal. It doesn't say you "can" in the regs but it doesn't say you "can't". The regs both say you can't under bear and cougar but no mention of it for deer and elk so it is legal to.
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Cougar are legal to bait, bear are not..........

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Cougar are legal to bait, bear are not..........

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i too have contacted ODFW and was also told

no bait for bears
no bait for game birds

everything else is fair game
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can someone post where they saw it is legal to bait deer and elk in oregon. I though I read you cannot do it.
It's the same concept as using a decoy, or using a tree stand, or wearing camo, or using a bugle, or hunting from a ground blind ........ the regs do not talk about every situation or apparatus possibility. The regs do not say these things are illegal. Therefore, they are legal
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Ok sounds good guys thank you very much. Next question if you were hunting the coast range how would you bait deer?
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It is LEGAL in OREGON.I spoke with several STATE Game Troopers. They say it is legal in Oregon. You can not hunt bear over bait. It says no baiting bear under the bear section. Under the deer and elk regs no mention of you can or can not.

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I use trace minerals and trophy rock. I also use wet cob from the grange. Or garden scraps from the produce department at your local market. I also use tons of apples.

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Ok sounds good guys thank you very much. Next question if you were hunting the coast range how would you bait deer?
Find a well traveled path put what ever food out and a trail cam. THEY WILL COME.
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In Oregon it is illegal to bait any game animals, but salt used to be considered a mineral not a bait.
Not true talked to a cop last year and he does the apple thing too. Just can't bait bears.
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Old 08-13-2010, 11:57 AM   #21
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Also corn will kill the deer if overfed. You shouldn't use baits unless they are beneficial or do no adversly affect the animals
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Ok sounds good guys thank you very much. Next question if you were hunting the coast range how would you bait deer?
Build one of these.



And the fill it with dry cob.
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Old 08-13-2010, 12:19 PM   #23
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Good Deer Food Thread with over 80 post:

http://www.ifish.net/board/showthrea...ight=deer+food


The above thread covers just about everything but I will say:

Use bait that is beneficial to the animals. There are products out there that will attract animals, but is like feeding them fast food.

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I personally use just regular Alfalfa. The deer around our place can't get enough of the stuff. I've tried it for elk, and they wouldn't touch it. Go figure.
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That reminds me - I need to stop at the feed store on the way home.
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Hey shedhorn. That feeder is really cool.
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Wow, at what point during the baiting process are you actually hunting? Sure takes lots of skill to set out a salt lick and wait. I have no problem with it for trail camming, but hunting? C'mon now guys...
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Baiting deer and elk is what the real hunters do these days, that way they can shoot their animals and go back to their 9 to 5 job, and all is good in the world for them.
Crossbow will be legal for all hunters to use some day. I think that baiting should be legal for handicapped hunters, and if you are currently doing it, you should consider that you are using a crutch to be able to kill a animal.
If you want to hang a tree stand next to a trail and wait that is great. Baiting changes the natural patterns of animals, it is like dropping your fishing line in a fish ladder that has a food source at the top of it.


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Wow, at what point during the baiting process are you actually hunting? Sure takes lots of skill to set out a salt lick and wait. I have no problem with it for trail camming, but hunting? C'mon now guys...
Just another food source, just like any clear cut but I can hide it so I dont have to fight others for space. This is my first year doing anything with T-cams or bait so it will be a new experience.
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Hey shedhorn. That feeder is really cool.
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Wow, at what point during the baiting process are you actually hunting? Sure takes lots of skill to set out a salt lick and wait. I have no problem with it for trail camming, but hunting? C'mon now guys...
As long as we are buying tags, doing things legal and supporting the overall conservation and pro hunting effort it doesnt matter.

I guarantee that the anti's dont fight over what get's outlawed, they work together and outlaw what they can. Divisivness is the death of hunting and the shooting sports.
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Wow, at what point during the baiting process are you actually hunting? Sure takes lots of skill to set out a salt lick and wait. I have no problem with it for trail camming, but hunting? C'mon now guys...
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your not "hunting" your "sitting" there are some great "sitters" out there, but MOST , not all , of them are not great HUNTERS
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Wow, at what point during the baiting process are you actually hunting? Sure takes lots of skill to set out a salt lick and wait. I have no problem with it for trail camming, but hunting? C'mon now guys...
I won't flame SIMB, as I have some of those same feelings about bait, but I also agree 100% with Limbhanger. It's hard as our opinions how we want it done clash with others.

I have actually begun doing a little bait hunting, as a friend of mine does it a lot, and often invites me to his place. He puts in a lot of work, and is very generous in sharing his stands. I am very grateful he does. I have, however passed a couple animals, partly because I still just didn't feel quite right about it.

I have also "donated" (aka had stolen) a tree stand, a ladder and a trail cam to bait hunting. Makes for easy pickins'.

I will say this: I think bait hunting requires a fair amount of effort in procuring, maintaining bait sites, as well as tons of patience for sitting.

Other methods do probably develop better hunting skills, such as calling, stealth, learning animals patterns, habits, etc.
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As long as we are buying tags, doing things legal and supporting the overall conservation and pro hunting effort it doesnt matter.

I guarantee that the anti's dont fight over what get's outlawed, they work together and outlaw what they can. Divisivness is the death of hunting and the shooting sports.
I agree with you 100% on the united we stand divided we fall line o thinking. But baiting game animals with apples, oats, salt or whatever makes us look like lazy killers and not fair chase hunters. Why not put up some 10 foot fences while your at it, that's how its viewed by non hunters.
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Legal an ethical are two different things (as we've discussed on here many times)

I equate it to shooting a roosted Turkey, perfectly legal but definitely not ethical.

I subscribe to the "its the journey not the destination" view of things. Like my dad always said, To each his own.....
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I agree 100% Well said.


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I guarantee that the anti's dont fight over what get's outlawed, they work together and outlaw what they can. Divisivness is the death of hunting and the shooting sports.



I can see your points as well. Where do you stand on using bait/hounds for bears?

To put up a 10 ft fence would be waaaay harder than putting out 50#'s of feed..

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I agree with you 100% on the united we stand divided we fall line o thinking. But baiting game animals with apples, oats, salt or whatever makes us look like lazy killers and not fair chase hunters. Why not put up some 10 foot fences while your at it, that's how its viewed by non hunters.
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Legal or not I don't believe it's ethical.....

Your changing the feeding habits of game animals for YOUR benefit.

What would you do if you walked in and found someone else hunting your feed set up?

Different situation but this lady was kicked out of her house for a year or better for feeding bears.........

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/j...ion_6-2-09.php

She changed the feeding habits of bears and was punished for it, a deer won't cause the same problem when you stop feeding it, but it is a change in it's natrual patterns.
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Wet C.O.B.

Corn Oats and Barley with molasses.

I work in a feed store and more people by cob for deer than any other animal.

Just be sure to put it out close to a tree line so the crow stay out of it.
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Legal an ethical are two different things (as we've discussed on here many times)

I equate it to shooting a roosted Turkey, perfectly legal but definitely not ethical.

I subscribe to the "its the journey not the destination" view of things. Like my dad always said, To each his own.....
So what blind do you SIT in at SI??? Which flooded field do you SIT over at SI??? What bait do you SIT over while duck hunting? Corn? Millet? Soy beans? Barley? What decoys do you use to trick birds into an area for pairing, feeding or resting? Just SIT there and call em into you and shoot em... Now who's "Hardly Hunting" ?

Easy there buddy!

This is mearly an example of splittin hairs and dividing hunters. I love shootin ducks! But let others hunt the way they want, as long as its legal. If you dont like, don't be the ethics police, change the law!


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So what blind do you SIT in at SI??? Which flooded field do you SIT over at SI??? What bait do you SIT over while duck hunting? Corn? Millet? Soy beans? Barley? What decoys do you use to trick birds into an area for pairing, feeding or resting? Just SIT there and call em into you and shoot em... Now who's "Hardly Hunting" ?

Easy there buddy!

This is mearly an example of splittin hairs and dividing hunters. I love shootin ducks! But let others hunt the way they want, as long as its legal. If you dont like, don't be the ethics police, change the law!


That all i have to say!
well i dont know about him, but i dont sit in any of those.

think about it another way: when i'm 70-80 yrs old, the only way i might be capable to still get after elk, will be to go sit in a tree stand that my grandkids pack salt into. but for know, i'd rather hunt elk they way they should be hunted. not only are guys taking the lazy way out, but their missing the greatest part of elk hunting. HUNTING THEM

if you take away a guys baited stand the day before the season, he's more than likely screwed, there no way you could screw up an ELK HUNTERS season.
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well i dont know about him, but i dont sit in any of those.

think about it another way: when i'm 70-80 yrs old, the only way i might be capable to still get after elk, will be to go sit in a tree stand that my grandkids pack salt into. but for know, i'd rather hunt elk they way they should be hunted. not only are guys taking the lazy way out, but their missing the greatest part of elk hunting. HUNTING THEM

if you take away a guys baited stand the day before the season, he's more than likely screwed, there no way you could screw up an ELK HUNTERS season.
So what about just stand hunting over a known natural food source? or wallow? or major corridor? Isn't that Lazt too???

What about still hunting, where you "sneak" through the woods, bump resting animals, spook others and stress animals more so than if you were not there. Stand hunting, the animal comes in relaxed and unaware...

Just playing devils advocate.

I dont know about you but some of my most favorable times archery hunting are when i don't touch off an arrow... animals are so close you can hear there lungs and see the blood shot in their eyes... and they don't know im there. YOU CAN HAVE the same experience from a stand over bait or not ... The emotion, the power, the energy is the same...

Tell me this... Why would you steal that thunder from other hunters.

Leave em be.

So i gues when your 70 we'll sick the ethics police on you, and call you a lazy hunter. I mean really. why even go there? if its legal, its legal. you worry about your ethics, I'll worry about mine and they can worry about theirs.

And btw... i put out apples and what not for my "backyard" game for the camera only.

I don't hunt from a stand, or over bait.

I just think... Let it go... If thats what they do, then let em.

Personally, baiting takes a lot of effort, time and energy. Not as lazy as some think. At least they found some little hole to themselves, packed a lot of stuff into the woods (hopefully left no garbage). hiked a lot, put in the effort to find a spot. And they aren't road hunting!

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So what blind do you SIT in at SI??? Which flooded field do you SIT over at SI??? What bait do you SIT over while duck hunting? Corn? Millet? Soy beans? Barley? What decoys do you use to trick birds into an area for pairing, feeding or resting? Just SIT there and call em into you and shoot em... Now who's "Hardly Hunting" ?

Easy there buddy!

This is mearly an example of splittin hairs and dividing hunters. I love shootin ducks! But let others hunt the way they want, as long as its legal. If you dont like, don't be the ethics police, change the law!


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That's a terrible comparison. SI has been a natural stop over spot for waterfowl for hundreds of years.
Hunting over a natural food source is a lot different than a pile of apples. The crops they plant at SI are to benefit he ducks and geese, hunting is a secondary activity. The pile of apples or barely only serves the purpose of killing the animal, the hunter is the only benefactor.
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That's a terrible comparison. SI has been a natural stop over spot for waterfowl for hundreds of years.
Hunting over a natural food source is a lot different than a pile of apples. The crops they plant at SI are to benefit he ducks and geese, hunting is a secondary activity. The pile of apples or barely only serves the purpose of killing the animal, the hunter is the only benefactor.
Hey what ever floats your marsh rat, friend. So where IS your NATURAL FOOD source??? Take away the corn and millet then... let me know how many ducks you kill... What hipocrisy... makes me laugh...

You sit and KILL over man placed/planted food and its okay...

Another does it and its unethical....
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hunting is a secondary activity.
Really??? Every other day for 107 days??? secondary??? LOL
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crops they plant at SI are to benefit he ducks and geese, hunting is a secondary activity.
So if I plant the apple tree is that now okay?
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The pile of apples or barely only serves the purpose of killing the animal, the hunter is the only benefactor.
So, do you think you just go put a pile of apples out in the woods this morning and kill a deer or elk this afternoon??? No it takes lots of food and salt and time and trips to the woods. Salt and other minerals help animals year round... deer and elk hunters are hunting over their bait a lot less than duck hunters! There fore the animals recieve more benifit!

So where is the bad comparrison again? Comparring SI to salt licks or stand hunting over bait...

Because... I'm not really seeing any differences!
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Wow, hunt2much you are a little dramatic.....
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Wow, hunt2much you are a little dramatic.....
No Drama, I'm simply just stating your hipocrisies...

They are the same... plain and simple.

1.) Human chooses prime habitat and locale and places/plants animals prefered food or mineral.

2.) Human sits and waits over what the animal desires. (Food, water or mineral)

2.5) Human can use game calls also, if one is so able or inclined.

3.) Animal comes to food, water, minerals or call.

4.) Human kills Animal.

5) Prep - eat - digest!

Insert any species, food, weapon or habitat you'd like... its all the same! Right or wrong. Your ethics or mine... It's the same.

Prove me otherwise!

Now pass the beer and duck pepperoni. And we'll BBQ up some elk burgers when the sun sets and its not so dang hot!

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[QUOTE=SImudBogger;3246235]Legal an ethical are two different things (as we've discussed on here many times)


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Legal an ethical are two different things (as we've discussed on here many times)


Yes this is true... Not doubting anyone's ethics...

I just want someone to show me the difference between: sitting in a blind, shooting a duck/goose over a man made food source. Vs. Sitting in a blind or tree stand and shooting a deer/elk over a man made food source.

If one is unethical, so must the other...

I just want all people to look in the mirror and put themselves in check, before badging themselves the ethics police!

I think all the hunting activities or styles discussed, whether someone else feels are ethical are not, are all forms of hunting... And one should not to steal other peoples thunder! You hunt and I'll hunt. plain and simple.

If one dosn't approve of it, but it isn't illegal, mind one's own business... or change the law!

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Similar for sure, but not the same. I'm done with this thread. I inadvertently turned it into this. My bad......
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Similar for sure, but not the same. I'm done with this thread. I inadvertently turned it into this. My bad......
all i ask is ... how so??? please tell me!
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'Ran its course and turned divisive. Ifish Staff
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