Pictures of Native Springers

Jennie@ifish · 03-11-2004, 08:53 AM

From this day forward, because of these laws:

Link one

and

Link two

Ifish will no longer allow pictures of native springers, out of the water.

If you are within the rules, and the springer is outside of the restrictive zone, please let us know in the post, or... leave it out.

Remember that officials may be watching, and probably could use a picture of a native springer out of the water as pretty darn good evidence that it happened. :smile:

Jen

Freakwater · 03-11-2004, 08:56 AM

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03-11-2004, 09:04 AM

ttt

03-11-2004, 09:06 AM

Wreckless · 03-11-2004, 09:13 AM

So far that's not a problem [img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img] .

We LOST 2 Sunday

Beaver1 · 03-11-2004, 09:25 AM

Makes sense [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

Jennie@ifish · 03-11-2004, 09:32 AM

Please help us to stay current and consistent with this rule, by alerting the mods when you see a pic that is not appropriate.
Your name will not be revealed, in these circumstances, and we will handle these posts and pics as gently as we hope you will handle the wild fish. :smile:

We know that you are proud of your catch, and we are proud of them, too. I expect there to be many mistakes in this coming year. Just as the law has promised, we at ifish also expect to be rather lenient in the first year, as we get used to the changes.

Jen

SKP · 03-11-2004, 09:43 AM

Jennie,

You should put this at the top, it'll get buried in two days, and then here comes the native springer pictures again.

SKP

Jennie@ifish · 03-11-2004, 09:48 AM

I will, thank you.
Just that I wanted to give it a chance to be bumped naturally. It always is more noticed that way, at first.
Thanks.
Jen

Fish Hawg · 03-11-2004, 09:55 AM

Why only the Columbia River

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nofishon2day · 03-11-2004, 10:10 AM

Jennie,
Good move.

Jennie@ifish · 03-11-2004, 10:18 AM

I don't know why only the Columbia... but it's a start. :smile:

Steelie Steve · 03-11-2004, 10:35 AM

I think the CR only is because the ESA protected salmon are upriver CR fish only. Doesn't include the Willamette fish or the lower trib. fish.

Just a guess though.

Steve

Hey look at that.... 1000 posts! I'd like to thank Jennie for providing this forum, all my fans

, and my office (for the computer, of course... :shocked: ),.....

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cully · 03-11-2004, 12:57 PM

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STGRule · 03-11-2004, 01:44 PM

:grin:

blacktail519 · 03-11-2004, 05:34 PM

No apraise here

I think it is a joke!!!!! The gillneters can net the fish, and drag them out of the water..... In a net...... "Revive them", Then release! But to take a fish 2 inches out of the water for a simple pic, for 5 seconds, is against the law? How pathetic if you ask me. Nothing against you Jenni at all, your strictly watching out for yourself and others, wich is greatly appreciated not only by me, but i'm sure everyone, I just think that the whole gillnettin reviving thing is a crock, when we are restricted the way we are. Get the nets out......Period...... Thank you.... I hope i dont ruffle any feathers, but thats my feelings. Pm if ya got something bad to tell me, but my feelings wont change.

Jennie@ifish · 03-11-2004, 05:53 PM

So, if someone else is a bad guy and gets away with it, you want to be bad, too?
That's not how I think.
I figure every little bit helps, and if I can make an example of myself, I'll do it.

Who knows what may follow?

If this is good for the fish, then why wouldn't i want to do it? So I can beat my chest with some fish scales?

Sorry, if it's not dinner, I don't need a pic.

Jen

Lucky Luke · 03-11-2004, 06:03 PM

Sorry, if it's not dinner, I don't need a pic.

Couldn't agree with you more!

blacktail519 · 03-11-2004, 06:04 PM

I didnt say It was the right thing to do by anymeans.................. I just think they are spending way to much time hounding the sporty's, And restricting us to these extremes and being rather sooooo relaxed with the Netters!!! That is was what i was getting AT!!

Lucky Luke · 03-11-2004, 06:04 PM

Oopps! Sorry, one to many clicks of the mouse. [img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img]

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blacktail519 · 03-11-2004, 06:06 PM

Please

skybuster · 03-11-2004, 06:41 PM

I agree with your point blacktail. I saw in the paper today that the net rule has been changed for boats longer than 30 feet in length.

They just don't get it. It's not the length of the boat that is the problem, but rather the height of the sides to the waterline.

I have a friend with an older 25 foot boat. His sides are just too high to safely reach over the side to release a nate in the water. He has caught and released as many fish as anyone over the years, and knows how to do it properly if the fish has to be removed from the water. The way the new law reads his only option is to cut the line every time he sees an adipose on a fish.

I am sorry but that's a little ridiculous to me.

blacktail519 · 03-11-2004, 06:51 PM

Thank you Skybuster.. Rediculous isnt it.
Oh well!

SalmonSeason · 03-11-2004, 07:23 PM

I agree w/ you Blacktail for two reasons

1.) The netters do get away w/ alot..so do the seals/lions

2.) You're my neighbor so you have to be allright

SalmonSeason · 03-11-2004, 07:31 PM

Oh I forgot
if it's not a blackmouth I'd bet the volunteer forgot to clip it or the hatchery folks I've seen "kind of" clipping (Wind River as an example) did not clip the so called "native" these springers for the most part were bought and paid for by you and me unless you didn't buy a tag/license

03-11-2004, 11:21 PM

TTT

Pete · 03-12-2004, 04:35 AM

The point of reducing sport mortality impact on ESA listed fish is that there is a limit to how many fish we can harm. The fewer listed fish we harm in the process of harvesting keepers, the more fish we get to keep. The change in the regulation about removing fish from the water was in response to concerns expressed to the Compact. If the experimental regulation needs further tuning, the Compact is very interested in your input.

blacktail519 · 03-12-2004, 06:58 PM

fishnxtc · 03-13-2004, 05:40 AM

If you so concerned about the fish and no just because it is the law then why don't you ban the picture posting of a native fish that are not allowed to be kept (i.e. Steelhead, Coho, under and over size sturgeon). Like you say it is for the good of the fish, then I feel you should make it for all fish that are not going to be kept. As for the authorities, they would have a hard time proving something from a picture on the internet, just ask them .............Chris

Jennie@ifish · 03-13-2004, 05:51 AM

Baby steps, XTC, baby steps... Besides... I think the point is that it's the ESA listed thing on a limited fishery. Think about it. :smile: [img]graemlins/idea.gif[/img]

Jen

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Born to be Wild · 03-13-2004, 06:48 PM

Well, I have to agree wit fishnxtc.
That's a very opinionated subject on ifish and I thought I would leave it alone and not bring it up again, but that brings up a very valid point.

Some will say that steelhead are more hardy than springers and actually I don't think the law is in regards to picture taking.
I believe it is for those that don't know or are irresponsible and net the fish and then wrestle with it in the boat and then after it is half mutilated, release it.

STG made a comment once that I saw and said that a nate can be photographed in the water.
This is true and as far as I am concerned, all nates could and should be photographed in the water.

If you got to be in the pic with the nate, then "jump in" and have your buddy shoot! :grin:

All in fun,

Dano

Pete · 03-13-2004, 07:17 PM

As a matter of principle, it would indeed be a good idea not to lift any fish to be released from the water. As a matter of law, only Columbia Springers and oversize sturgeon may not be removed from the water. The springer regulation is experimental. If a balance can be developed that works, there's a possibility it might be expanded to all fish that are required to be released. But as we've seen, it's not a simple matter as different fishing vessels and different water conditions change the issues.

Quasimodo the fish killer · 03-14-2004, 05:35 PM

ok am I gonna get reemed if I try to post pics of nates that I kill on the umpqua?

should I get a pic of them in the water riht before I bonk them on the head to keep from getting chewed out?

the umpqua is open for retention of natives and thats where I fish this time of year since its a heck of a lot closer to me then the columbia.

I just wasnt sure if I was going to get flames if I decided to post a pic.

Quasi

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Pete · 03-14-2004, 05:40 PM

What I said is, "a good idea not to lift any fish to be released from the water". If you can legally bonk, there's no problem. If you identify the location (even a general location like, "Rogue") you won't get flamed. If you don't identify the "where", people will wonder. We've got a pretty diverse set of regulations across the state. If it doesn't look like you're hiding something, who can complain?

Jennie@ifish · 03-14-2004, 06:02 PM

I'll flame you BIGTIME!!! Not because you bonked and pictured, but because I am jealous!!!

Killertraylor · 03-15-2004, 07:18 AM

Threads like these are why you'll never see me post a fish pic here. And more importantly because I don't want 4 guys anchored in the spot where I cought him the next time I go fishing. And probably most importantly, because I'm a silly nilly with that picture upload thingy - is that one feature that is going to get easier with the new ifish board? I can download 10 pics onto ebay in 1 minute, but it takes me 10 minutes to download one here.

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SalmonSeason · 03-15-2004, 08:20 AM

[img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img] Gotta agree w/you

You're close enough to Scappoose so you know I'm gonna side w/ ya

Jennie@ifish · 03-15-2004, 09:52 AM

I guess that is what makes up our community.
Some people are willing to share, and some people don't like to.
I'm just thankful for the wonderful tips that some people post.
Thank you! :smile:
I'm sorry that the pic upload is not very easy. At the time, it was all that I could find. I bought Photopost for you guys, and I think you'll find it much easier. I'm trying! :smile:

Jen

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Killertraylor · 03-15-2004, 10:25 AM

Thanks, Jen for the photo upgrade! [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

fishnxtc · 03-15-2004, 03:44 PM

I think it is more that you are a silly dilly :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:

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SalmonSeason · 03-15-2004, 04:21 PM

[img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img] that's what I was inferrin :grin:
I'm a silly dilly when it comes to hi-tech stuff, but
here I am learning

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