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Old 05-07-2010, 06:42 AM   #1
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I have been out fishing hard for the last few weeks without as much as a bite on the Willamatte. I'm fishing marker 19 and using pretty much what the most boats are a prawn spinner.... I have boats on all sides put fish in the boat and it's starting to feel like the fish gods are just not on my side... When your fishing for 6 to 12 hours a day with notty you have to be something wrong, but for the life of me I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT....

I'm staying home today and washing the sled down from bow to stern and washing all my gear down. Anyone having the same problem and figured it out let me know. I kill them on the big C, but the williy has my number for some reason...

I'm going to hit it hard again next week and if I don't as much as get a take down I'm done for the season... Well until the fall run where I seem to be able to put some fish in the boat... Any input of tips or tricks to help my break the big goose egg out there let me know.

I have fished on different buddies boats with them hooking up using my rod, gear, bait... so what in the world I'm I doing wrong



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Old 05-07-2010, 06:49 AM   #2
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Got any Banannas on board?


Go out with a PRIMO guide and LEARN his technique and approach! I did and it has helped significantly!!
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Put on a wrapped green/silver M2SP and fish it a foot off the bottom. I bet you catch a fish.
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Old 05-07-2010, 06:59 AM   #5
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i sat on the hook in the willy for 5 seasons before i caught a springer. it takes time to learn. i've wanted to quit so many times, and then i get days like last tuesday, and hook three springers in 45 minutes. released to high finners before i could keep the third. all on brass spinners, from 2 feet to 6 feet off the bottom. i was running double rigs.

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No Banannas on board I no better than that.... I have put in the time on the water and have caught fish everywhere except the Willamatte. Have fished both weight & diver... Custom spinner, store bought spinner, kwikfish wrapped, spinner alone. I think I have thrown everthing at them over the last several weeks besides a kitchen sink.... I'm washing the boat down, all the gear, rods ect today.... I'm going to hit it hard again next week and give 19 one more shot, before I pull out and hit the garbage hole, and back troll and if that does not work pull some hearing above the mouth..... Anything else you can think off let me know....


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Wear gloves, wash your spinners/lures leader, everything and don't handle your bait with bare hands. Make sure your rod handles are clean. Have your dropper length 24 inches maximum, usually shorter. Try to be the slowest boat on the water. Leave the boat anchor at home so you're not tempted to use it. Change bait frequently, keep it fresh. Pay attention to the boats around you that are catching fish and ignore the rest. The power of observation is a great teacher.

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Old 05-07-2010, 07:29 AM   #8
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No Banannas on board I no better than that.... I have put in the time on the water and have caught fish everywhere except the Willamatte. Have fished both weight & diver... Custom spinner, store bought spinner, kwikfish wrapped, spinner alone. I think I have thrown everthing at them over the last several weeks besides a kitchen sink.... I'm washing the boat down, all the gear, rods ect today.... I'm going to hit it hard again next week and give 19 one more shot, before I pull out and hit the garbage hole, and back troll and if that does not work pull some hearing above the mouth..... Anything else you can think off let me know....


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Ya, ya, ya... BUT- You haven't put out a MAG LIP yet! Try a decent Chartreuse body, w/ some kind of Red or Orange on the BUTT end of the plug, wrapped in your choice of Sardines, herring, or even Anchovies... And just wait for it.... It WILL come. Back troll it down and just make sure your wiggling w/ action on the plug by looking @ your Rod. When it stopps wiggling, either your Diver is hung, or its tapping the Bottom, and not quite wiggling. You wanna be JUST off the bottom.

Best Luck to ya, and DON'T give up...
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Old 05-07-2010, 07:32 AM   #9
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Clean the Zincs on the boat and motors.
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Old 05-07-2010, 07:46 AM   #10
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Check and see if boat is hot electrical and might add more zinc.

If you quit fishing can i have your gear. I do not want it to go to waste.
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Old 05-07-2010, 08:01 AM   #11
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I've fished with a few guys that say, "I'm doing exactly what you are but I'm not getting bit". When I look at what they're doing, it's not exactly what I'm doing. My point is when someone says I'm doing exactly what you are it's relative to that persons perspective.

The lesson is pay very, very close attention to the details of what others that are catching fish are doing. When I go on guided trips I eyeball the gear and techniques so hard that the guide probably thinks I'm eyeing his stuff getting ready to steal it. Pay close attention.

I haven't been out to 19 lately but I hear prawns and prawn spinners are working. Up in OC I hear eggs and sandshrimp are working well.

The Willamette is an interesting fishery and ones tactics need to change as the season progress, particularly as the water temp goes up.

Get some of Nate's prawns and some from BC tackle. Do a search on the board on how to rig them, (there's some good info there). Try some new things and pay close attention to the detail of those catching fish.

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Old 05-07-2010, 08:15 AM   #12
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Check and see if boat is hot electrical and might add more zinc.

If you quit fishing can i have your gear. I do not want it to go to waste.
This is what happened to me and prevented me from catching a springer for 4 years. I could take friends out in their boat and slap fish, but mine refused to produce. If you check for electrical currents coming from your hull, i'll bet they are present. It turned out to be a wire on my fuel sending unit. Downriggers, hulls, bad zincs....dont give up. When you go through it and find your problem, you should be satisfied with your results.
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Old 05-07-2010, 08:55 AM   #13
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How do you check if you have an electricl issue on the hull, someone else told me to check it. I killed all power on the boat without results, but I didn't unhook the batt.... I'm cleaning the boat right now so if someone can tell me how to see if I have a current on the hull please explain the process....

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Old 05-07-2010, 09:04 AM   #14
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How do you check if you have an electricl issue on the hull, someone else told me to check it. I killed all power on the boat without results, but I didn't unhook the batt.... I'm cleaning the boat right now so if someone can tell me how to see if I have a current on the hull please explain the process....

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i think you could just use a multimeter and touch your probes to the hull youd probably want everything running when you test , motor, ffinder/ lights?
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Old 05-07-2010, 09:07 AM   #15
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I havent read anyone's else reasponse so forgive me if I duplicate what someone else has already said.

I would suggest you change tatics first. Start using some kwiks, and if your still not pickin any up change locations. You might get lucky and pick one up in a new hole and all of a sudden you start gettin your confidence back. Lastly go with a guide. Get the feel of fighting a fish, and you will be far away from giving it up.
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Old 05-07-2010, 09:08 AM   #16
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How do you check if you have an electricl issue on the hull, someone else told me to check it. I killed all power on the boat without results, but I didn't unhook the batt.... I'm cleaning the boat right now so if someone can tell me how to see if I have a current on the hull please explain the process....

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urban legend. there is no such thing as a "hot boat". and even if there was, your baits should be 100 feet from your boat anyhow. no closer to your boat than the one next you catching fish. with the exception of a few guides and a few people who've spent years and years on the river, the willy is a slow fishery. a few fish per season for a 100 hours or more is the norm. dont go expecting multiple fish days like on the columbia.
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Old 05-07-2010, 09:20 AM   #17
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The willy has been a very good place to fish this year. If you are not picking up fish. You might want to book a trip with a guide to refresh your catching skills. There is nothing wrong with owning your own boat and gear and booking a trip just to keep you on top of whats working. Good luck
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Old 05-07-2010, 09:28 AM   #18
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You must give to the fish god's. Imerse your self in the willamett river like the spring salmon and ye shall catch fish (life jacket recomended). If cold water is not your thing you can take a shot of willy water that might work too(keep 500 mg of cipro around if you start to feel queesy). good luck and may the force be with you.
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Old 05-07-2010, 10:05 AM   #19
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As far as a "hot" boat, make sure all ground wires go to the battery and not the hull. Check everything.....
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Old 05-07-2010, 10:21 AM   #20
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want to raffle off the boat?
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Old 05-07-2010, 10:48 AM   #21
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i have just the opposite advice - keep at it and don't sweat the details. don't wear gloves, eat a banana or two...

being out there is most important, being in the right spot at the right time the second most important.

it takes a while to learn. the fishing is the fun part - catching is icing on the cake. alot of friends i take want to hit the river, get their fish in an hour, and move on to other things. they also think fishing for salmon = free fish.

keep at it and try to enjoy it. you'll get one!

(i'm not bashing at the advice given, just saying not to sweat so many details )
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Old 05-07-2010, 11:11 AM   #22
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With me sometimes it was a fact that I was just trying too hard. When my confidence would lessen I would get frusterated and therefore catch fewer fish. Its kind of like herding cats. I was always trying something new or worrying about the other guy catching more than me. Once I relaxed and honed in on one or two techniques I concentrated on working the details of just that one or two methods. I began to relax, have more fun and then caught more fish. It sounds like your frusteration is making fishing seem like work. Its supposed to be relaxing and fun. Relax it will happen. Ive been where you are and it is not fun. But whatever you do don't give up.
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Old 05-07-2010, 11:33 AM   #23
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I can vouch for the hot boat thing, Caught lots of fish in an area that's mostly 12' deep, got a new boat and couldn't even get bit, checked for continuity between ground on battery and hull, it was present, found the source and isolated the hull from the electronics, instant gratification, have caught numerous fish since. There's no doubt in my mind it was the problem.
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Old 05-07-2010, 11:52 AM   #24
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very common for springer fishing. Just keep at it. The bananas and wearing glove is kind of nonsense if you ask me, but it does provide confidence which many people believe can help. Enjoy yourself; don't worry so much about the catching. If you have bait at the bottom in an area where fish are YOU WILL CATCH ONE sooner or later. Bring lots of bait and switch it out a lot. We do pretty well in the limited times we go out, but we fish the same area over and over. So, we know one spot real well and I think that is key
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I have been out fishing hard for the last few weeks without as much as a bite on the Willamatte. I'm fishing marker 19 and using pretty much what the most boats are a prawn spinner.... I have boats on all sides put fish in the boat and it's starting to feel like the fish gods are just not on my side... When your fishing for 6 to 12 hours a day with notty you have to be something wrong, but for the life of me I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT....

I'm staying home today and washing the sled down from bow to stern and washing all my gear down. Anyone having the same problem and figured it out let me know. I kill them on the big C, but the williy has my number for some reason...

I'm going to hit it hard again next week and if I don't as much as get a take down I'm done for the season... Well until the fall run where I seem to be able to put some fish in the boat... Any input of tips or tricks to help my break the big goose egg out there let me know.

I have fished on different buddies boats with them hooking up using my rod, gear, bait... so what in the world I'm I doing wrong



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You are on the correct track to solving your problem. CLEAN EVERYTHING!! I tie up all of my own gear, but usually I'm lazy about cleaning it. I couldn't "hook" a fish in the Columbia, but as soon as I switched to the Multnomah Channel my boat started catching them almost every trip out. When I'm not one of the ones catching fish out of my boat I wash ALL of my gear (hooks, lures, swivels, line, lead, etc.) in lemon joy clear up to my mainline. Every time I do this, I catch a fish by 7:30 am...now all I need to do is get off of my lazy a## and do this everytime I go fishing, plus, wash out my boat everytime I go fishing.
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Old 05-07-2010, 01:24 PM   #26
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Never be afraid to try something different. If you have been anchored...troll and vice versa. Go deeper or maybe shallow water. Dropper length might need tweaking. My first fish of the season was caught on anchor after three trips of trolling; switched from whole herring to a wrapped Kwik-Fish. The second fish was caught while trolling a naked whole herring.

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Old 05-07-2010, 01:35 PM   #27
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Shower more than once a week.

Wash your anchor rope. lol

Really though from the sounds of it you need to wear gloves and really wash your gear. Do not handle your bait at all. You must have a high level of L serin in your system.
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Old 05-07-2010, 02:44 PM   #29
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This is what ifish is all about. I learned a thing or two just reading this thread, and I fish with someone who's been fishing for 45 years! but I like having some secret knowledge (no secret to him, just a secret that I know a thing or two, three words: WD 40), being a girl and all. Very refreshing to see all the advice without any negativity for once. Thanks you guys!
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Don't fish 19 much but some ideas to think about, scan the area behind your boat where your gear will be laying, and look at the contour of the river bottom and try once your anchored to drop gear back to the humps, or on top leading edge of drop offs.

Sometimes having a short dropper line helps, but as the saying goes fish can only see up is why I believe longer drop line like 30-32" and shorter leader line like 30" for prawn spinners. Quick fish and spinners are difft, I like to go as short a dropper as I can, but long enough to keep good action. One thing above all else is your gear needs to be the same height as the fish are, and that varies alot barometer, tide swing, and water depth can be factors.

Ask Scott Amerman how deep he fishes his bobbers and he will probably say as deep as the fish are.

How far off shore during the tide can be another thing to give some thought to.

If those don't help pm me and maybe we can hook up. I am usually not too far from that area. Don't get them every trip but sure do try.
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Oh, and don't anchor too close to a wing dam when the tide changes and you're being whipped around like a tiger by the tail, and the skipper is on his cell phone and you're drifting backwards. Your girlfriend might have to crawl up on the piling and cut your ball off just to save something out of the whole mess
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And after you do ALL that don't forget to take a deep breathe of fresh oregon air and relax don't get so tense, they can feel it ! Go to your happy place ! your on anchor lay back and act like your on someone elses boat and chill look at the sky and the birds and listen to the water move ! instead of bird doging your rod and worriing about how close the other boats are and all the wake and chop ! KEEP IT POSITIVE
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Maybe you should try a few banana's on board. They work for me...Honestly though
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urban legend. there is no such thing as a "hot boat". and even if there was, your baits should be 100 feet from your boat anyhow. no closer to your boat than the one next you catching fish. with the exception of a few guides and a few people who've spent years and years on the river, the willy is a slow fishery. a few fish per season for a 100 hours or more is the norm. dont go expecting multiple fish days like on the columbia.
YEAH THAT IN SPADES!! 2feet of water ,well maybe, but normal water, get real!!
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You are on the correct track to solving your problem. CLEAN EVERYTHING!! I tie up all of my own gear, but usually I'm lazy about cleaning it. I couldn't "hook" a fish in the Columbia, but as soon as I switched to the Multnomah Channel my boat started catching them almost every trip out. When I'm not one of the ones catching fish out of my boat I wash ALL of my gear (hooks, lures, swivels, line, lead, etc.) in lemon joy clear up to my mainline. Every time I do this, I catch a fish by 7:30 am...now all I need to do is get off of my lazy a## and do this everytime I go fishing, plus, wash out my boat everytime I go fishing.
Yeah that!! never have we caught fish on yesterdays baited up rigs that sat out all night or two nights for that matter
We wash the boat down almost twice a year wether it needs it or not
Lead tray is as clean as the bilge though!! Don't sweat it, go fish on the d--m bottom![within a foot on runoff] And yes we do catch "Mucho Pescados de Salmon!!
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Wear gloves, wash your spinners/lures leader, everything and don't handle your bait with bare hands. Make sure your rod handles are clean. Have your dropper length 24 inches maximum, usually shorter. Try to be the slowest boat on the water. Leave the boat anchor at home so you're not tempted to use it. Change bait frequently, keep it fresh. Pay attention to the boats around you that are catching fish and ignore the rest. The power of observation is a great teacher.

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Hookem. stop worrying as i am catching all of the springer s that you are missing...LOL
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No Banannas on board I no better than that.... I have put in the time on the water and have caught fish everywhere except the Willamatte. Have fished both weight & diver... Custom spinner, store bought spinner, kwikfish wrapped, spinner alone. I think I have thrown everthing at them over the last several weeks besides a kitchen sink.... I'm washing the boat down, all the gear, rods ect today.... I'm going to hit it hard again next week and give 19 one more shot, before I pull out and hit the garbage hole, and back troll and if that does not work pull some hearing above the mouth..... Anything else you can think off let me know....


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Old 05-07-2010, 05:47 PM   #39
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It's fishing, sometimes you get em, sometimes you don't. I have fished my entire life and I still learn new things all the time from guys who have really dialed in certain fisheries. Some guys are killer on small rivers, others on big rivers. Some guys can kill walleye, others sturgeon. Just accept it for what it is and if you don't catch fish, oh well, keep trying to learn and have fun.

My first 9 trips out this year for springers I didn't get a bite but in the last two weeks I am batting 90%.


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Old 05-07-2010, 06:09 PM   #40
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I've only fished the Willamette proper once and didn't catch a fish but I'm not going to let that stop me from offering advice...

I'm with the "just keep trying" and "relax" factions above. Yes, observe. Yes, move quickly near or into the line of boats that are having success. Yes, adjust your dropper depths between 12 & 30" depending on river depth and yes, try anise scent on a k-14 Kwikfish (double trouble - chartreuse nose and tail, chrome body) with a small sized and neatly/uniformly trimmed sardine fillet that won't diminish the action of an excellent lure with razor-snag the back of your fingernail-sharp hooks so long as it runs straight and true in the current with occasional wild wobbles off to either side uniformly (okay that is my advice), but I don't sweat the washing everything and rubber gloves technique. Always check the drags that they are looseish and yeah, if you are catching fish in the Columbia regularly, then you can get them (albeit with perhaps a lower success rate - like me on the lower Kalama or Cowlitz vs. Columbia) on the Willy. Work your mojo! I play music on the boat's stereo, fly the American flag and enjoy the company of dog and others and have fun! Remember, you are building Karma for those days when you are the HOT BOAT of THE HOGLINE and NOBODY CAN TOUCH YOUR AWESOME SUCCESS!!!! CW
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Old 05-07-2010, 06:27 PM   #41
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Fish a sand shrimp...Shrimp are shrimp and they always bite them. Cured prawns are a different story. Willamette springers are very picky. Once you find out the winning ticket, hang on!!
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Old 05-07-2010, 06:29 PM   #42
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Well, coming from someone who fished (reasonably hard) for 14 YEARS before a springer, I can relate. Don't give up, it'll happen and then start to happen even more. Had my best day, boat day, week, month and season all this year. DON'T GIVE UP!!!!

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Old 05-07-2010, 09:04 PM   #43
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Your not alone you and me both havent been able to put in as much time as you but a good 10 trips nodda keep trying well get it
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Old 05-07-2010, 09:09 PM   #44
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How do you check if you have an electricl issue on the hull, someone else told me to check it. I killed all power on the boat without results, but I didn't unhook the batt.... I'm cleaning the boat right now so if someone can tell me how to see if I have a current on the hull please explain the process....

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Your girlfriend might have to crawl up on the piling and cut your ball off just to save something out of the whole mess
I don't care WHO ya are, this sounds painful!
Men! Don't EVER let your girlfriend crawl up and cut your balls off!
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Old 05-07-2010, 10:53 PM   #46
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I don't care WHO ya are, this sounds painful!
Men! Don't EVER let your girlfriend crawl up and cut your balls off!
It was only one ball and it was orange, not blue, ever Either way it's an adventure every time we "GO" out. I saved it, yay me, and sadly no other fisherpeople to see my heroics or insanity (depends on your interpretation of the situation) other than a daycruiser couple where the guy was obviously trying to impress his woman by pretending to fish (no rod holders and you could tell he probably hates shoes in the boat) and this mind you after I unwrapped the anchor rope from the prop and I'm sure even they thought I was "NUTS". Kind of breaks up the boredom of no hits Have ya ever had your anchor furiously wrapped in a wing dam in the Big C? It sucks and kinda scary.
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how about leave the anchor at home.
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Old 05-08-2010, 07:13 AM   #48
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Pretend your at bouy 10, troll around diver fish flash and your choice of spinner /herring around the harbor at 10-15 pulls and stack em up.

What ever you do get off the hook.
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Old 05-08-2010, 07:58 AM   #49
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I fish with someone who out fishes me on a regular basis you know why because he thinks he can.
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Old 05-08-2010, 08:49 AM   #50
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Thanks All for all the great advice and for a good kick in the A_ _.... I'm feeling a bit better after reading all the post. What's the old saying you can't catch a fish unless you have a line in the water. Boats clean, gear is clean, have some new tips from all my brothers on I-Fish so I'm back at it either tomorrow or all next week.

I have nothing to complain about I was laid off do to a medical issue so I can at least be out during the week to fish. I have to just releax and it will happen when the fishing gods know I'm breathing in and out and not eagle eyeing my rod... Just like my brothers on I-Fish I just need to relax and let it happen ......

Thanks All for the great advice,
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Go trout fishing. If I have a fishless streak for salmon or steelhead and I just need to do alot of catching, I go where I can catch lots of trout. Cures the fishless blues.
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