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Old 04-26-2010, 04:38 PM   #1
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What is the best bait casting reel for around $100 to fish from the shore line on a river for king salmon? Thanks

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What is the best bait casting reel for around $100 to fish from the shore line on a river for king salmon? Thanks
I like my Abu Garcia 6500.
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Yea, what Matt said 6500 it's a real good one, I have 2 and they have not let me down, about 2 to 4 years old.
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I am drifting a corky or eggs and also doing a little bit of float fishing with a jig.
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Diawa Millionaire or a pfluger trion !
Buy an Abu if you like digging at your spool all day.
Or fork up another $100 and buy a Shimano and never look back !
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Diawa Millionaire or a pfluger trion !
Buy an Abu if you like digging at your spool all day.
Or fork up another $100 and buy a Shimano and never look back !
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Diawa Millionaire or a pfluger trion !
Buy an Abu if you like digging at your spool all day.
Or fork up another $100 and buy a Shimano and never look back !
Which shimano would you recommend? I have looked at the calcutta and the curado. Also what size do you think? I looked at the 401 in the calcutta and the 301 in the curado. Thanks
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Old 04-26-2010, 06:27 PM   #9
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if you learn to use an abu PROPERLY, you won't be "digging at your spool all day". just need to be smarter than the reel. go with a 60/61 size record if you want a nicer abu.

that being said.........the 300 size shimano would be hard to beat.
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Old 04-26-2010, 06:38 PM   #10
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This thread comes up quiet a bit, when it does I always say the same thing, Okuma Alumina Al-200. If you want, come grab one of mine and see for yourself. Best part is it runs cheap at 75.00. I have reels from 50 bucks (shimano bantam mag 250) to 500.00 ( Daiwa Millionaire blue backer bay area special) and more often then not I use my Okuma. Oh, and yes I have curados to compare it to. Just my
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300 size Curado or a REVO Inshore if you need to make longer casts with lighter baits. These are low profile designs.

The REVO Toros feature a non-disengaging line guide (like an Ambassadeur) and may not be the best choice for casting light baits.

If you're casting 3/4 oz or more, then I would say that an Ambassadeur or Toro would be worth looking at.

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I forgot about the budget....new, it will probably have to be an Ambassadeur or possibly Okuma has something.
Hard to find a new reel, with salmon capacity, in a reliable design for $100.
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Old 04-26-2010, 07:55 PM   #12
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Curado 300, nothing but impressive.
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Diawa Millionaire or a pfluger trion !
Buy an Abu if you like digging at your spool all day.
Or fork up another $100 and buy a Shimano and never look back !
Seems to me you have the first two reels confused with the Abu....
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Seems to me you have the first two reels confused with the Abu....
same here
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Old 04-26-2010, 10:53 PM   #15
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you can't buy them any more{ bantam 50s** the best shimano reel made.
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I am drifting a corky or eggs and also doing a little bit of float fishing with a jig.
Shimano, I have lots of Abu and use them all the time in my boat. For casting all day it's Shimano.
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Old 04-27-2010, 04:21 AM   #17
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It depends on the environment. ABU's are what I have mainly used for years in a casting situation. Plunking of the CR or trolling out of the boat I will primarily use Shimano TR reels or Penn 320/321's....also for sturgeon.

Those ABU record 60/61 feel really nice....that reel is on my short list.
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Old 04-27-2010, 04:34 AM   #18
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Someone on I-fish once described Ambassadeurs as the "Chevy small blocks of fishing reels". To me, this was a remarkable true statement. They are many advantages like:
  • They are a great value for the money.
  • Compared to othe reels, they are very east to work on. Try taking apart putting back together some of the other reels mentioned as choices. Ambassadeur winds this contest by a huge margin
  • Parts are readily available. This is a huge advantage. Some of the reel manufacturers mentioned on here have reels in the market place that are just a few years old for which parts are no longer available.
  • There are many replacement drag parts/options available
  • The first thing that normally fails in a bait caster is the pawl for the level wind. None of the other reel choices mentioned offer any better life for this part.
  • With a little practice, an Ambassadeur is a great casting reel.
I own about 150 reels. I have Shimano, Daiwa, Okuma and others. Ambassadeur is my go go work horse. A few years ago, I had a guide friend who decided he wanted a better reel than an Ambassadeur. He tried Shimano, Daiwa, Penn and in the end he returned to the lowly Ambassadeur. Reason was the value and durability for money spent.
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Someone on I-fish once described Ambassadeurs as the "Chevy small blocks of fishing reels". To me, this was a remarkable true statement. They are many advantages like:
  • They are a great value for the money.
  • Compared to othe reels, they are very east to work on. Try taking apart putting back together some of the other reels mentioned as choices. Ambassadeur winds this contest by a huge margin
  • Parts are readily available. This is a huge advantage. Some of the reel manufacturers mentioned on here have reels in the market place that are just a few years old for which parts are no longer available.
  • There are many replacement drag parts/options available
  • The first thing that normally fails in a bait caster is the pawl for the level wind. None of the other reel choices mentioned offer any better life for this part.
  • With a little practice, an Ambassadeur is a great casting reel.
There's no better first (or last for that matter) salmon reel than an Ambassadeur. Now with stock Carbon Fiber drag washers they will outlast any Shimano on the market as Shimano doesn't use 'em yet.

Besides, if you want to get creative in the long run the upgrades and hot rodding options available for Abu's are nearly unlimited.
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Someone on I-fish once described Ambassadeurs as the "Chevy small blocks of fishing reels". To me, this was a remarkable true statement. They are many advantages like:
  • They are a great value for the money.
  • Compared to othe reels, they are very east to work on. Try taking apart putting back together some of the other reels mentioned as choices. Ambassadeur winds this contest by a huge margin
  • Parts are readily available. This is a huge advantage. Some of the reel manufacturers mentioned on here have reels in the market place that are just a few years old for which parts are no longer available.
  • There are many replacement drag parts/options available
  • The first thing that normally fails in a bait caster is the pawl for the level wind. None of the other reel choices mentioned offer any better life for this part.
  • With a little practice, an Ambassadeur is a great casting reel.
I own about 150 reels. I have Shimano, Daiwa, Okuma and others. Ambassadeur is my go go work horse. A few years ago, I had a guide friend who decided he wanted a better reel than an Ambassadeur. He tried Shimano, Daiwa, Penn and in the end he returned to the lowly Ambassadeur. Reason was the value and durability for money spent.
that might have been me!

i own around 30 reels, and the majority of them are ABUs. the new ones are just fine, as long as your thumb has a decent education! if you're just getting into using a levelwind you might consider something with a magnetic brake, as they're a bit more forgiving.

i can still get parts for my 35+ year old ambassadeurs and i consider that a huge plus. shimano's bantam reels were outstanding, but they came and went, and when they stopped production, not only did shimano stop making parts, but they destroyed the ones they had in their inventory!

there's times that i have a hard time making up my mind whether to grab the rod with my old 4500C on it(that i paid $70 for on ebay) or the one with my $250 daiwa luna. more often than not i reach for the ABU. i just like the way they cast...hard to beat for drift fishing.
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For what you are looking to use it for, Curado 300 will behard to beat.
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There's no better first (or last for that matter) salmon reel than an Ambassadeur. Now with stock Carbon Fiber drag washers they will outlast any Shimano on the market as Shimano doesn't use 'em yet.

Besides, if you want to get creative in the long run the upgrades and hot rodding options available for Abu's are nearly unlimited.

Agreed! Ambassadeur's are pretty much the best reel you could recommend to a newbie!
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i absolutely love my shimano curado 300, i've used bait casters for quite a while. i used to use spinning reels solely for chucking spinners. not anymore! i even used it to plunk with 8-10oz of weight and 30lb braid and it handled it just fine!
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you can't buy them any more{ bantam 50s** the best shimano reel made.
They are on ebay all the time.
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They are on ebay all the time.
Sounds like he needs a lefty....so a bantam 50 wouldn't work.
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6501,C4 trophy. Good gear ratio and nice handle. Get them used on EBay. You have to have at least one.
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Go with Shimano, you won't be disappointed. I used to fish Abu when I was younger but I never owned on that lasted more than about 3 or 4 years if it was used in the saltwater, yes, I always rinse my gear after fishing in the salt. The last 12 years or so I have fished Shimano almost exclusively and never had a problem. You can get a Cardiff for around $100 that should suit your needs. If you want to spend a little more, nothing will beat a Calcutta or Curado for the type of fishing you describe.
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On the hunt for big fish, Larry made a cast with a curado 300 in a river
in South America and all of his line went off. (He did not tie it on the spool.)
For $ 250 it is a fantastic reel with a great drag.
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that might have been me!
Nope, it was Arima17Ryan.
He knows a little bit about Ambassadeurs

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Sorry if I came out sounding as though I hate abu's I use them all the time. I just think they have they're time and place (Bobber fishing, boat fishing, pulling plugs). I'm just saying drift fishing wise, you make hundred's of casts in a day I would rather put the least amount of energy into casting as possible. Now if your casting a 2" piece of lead with an Abu fine, you can do it all day. But when you start slinging 1/2" inch pieces you practically need a running start to cast a good distance. I can cast a 1/2" piece of pencil lead with my Curado 200 BSF with the flick of my wrist. And I fish it for salmon/coho and Steelhead its 6 yrs old and haven't had to replace even a screw. And trust me its handled some serious warhorses.

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I bought a Shimano Cardiff 301A last fall for one of my rigs. I haven't used it much, but it casts pretty nice. It takes a little getting used to though I have to admit. I think it should last me for many seasons to come. It cost right around 100 bones.
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There's no better first (or last for that matter) salmon reel than an Ambassadeur. Now with stock Carbon Fiber drag washers they will outlast any Shimano on the market as Shimano doesn't use 'em yet.

Besides, if you want to get creative in the long run the upgrades and hot rodding options available for Abu's are nearly unlimited.
Do abu 6500's series come stock with carbon drag washers? I didn't think so. If they are so good, I don't understand why abu just don't put them in and sell it a little higher new? I hate opening those things up. It seem like the abu forum, everyone changes the washer. This is why I end up going with shimano. I'm looking for another reel now.
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For around $100.00 you can get a low profile Shimano Cruxis. Same reel as the older Curodo's. I have one and I love it.... Great American tackle has them.
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Bob's in Longview has Shimano Cardiff CDF 200A reels for $59.97.... I've never used one. Opinions?

I like my Abu 6500 more after Olie Damon's swapped out the washers. But I cast more accurately with my tiny Shimano Bantam 100 from the early 80s. CW
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Do abu 6500's series come stock with carbon drag washers? I didn't think so.
actually, the new generation DOES come with carbon fiber drag washers stock.....unlike shimano.....

if you hate opening an abu, the thought of cracking open a shimano must horrify you and give you nightmares. LOL.

they are all good reels. i have a few of everything it seems like. shimano and abu reels are at the top of the heap for 2 reasons: everyone sells them, and parts are plentiful.

i love my quantums, but i cringe when i think about "what if something breaks". under-rated reels that cast as well, if not better than a shimano or diawa.

we can all bicker until we're blue in the face, but it doesn't change this truth: ALL modern reels are pretty darn decent machines, and the BEST REEL is the one that feels good to YOU........as long as it doesn't say "south bend". LMAO!!!!!
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Buy an Ambassadeur C3 and have the carbon fiber drag washers put in it. The last C3 I bought was $67 bucks on sale on Black Friday at Bi Mart. Even when they run all reels at 20% off which is fairly often, you can get one for $72 bucks...... My local sporting goods store charges $18 bucks to put the carbon fiber drag washers in. That puts you in the reel $90..... Just watch the sale ads.
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I've had good luck with Shimano 301A throwing swimbaits for bass and striper. A solid reel for $100. Sometimes cheaper on the popular auction site.

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I have six Abu 6500's Newest is three years old and oldest is 25 years old. As with any piece of equipment, if you maintain it, it will serve you well. These reels have fished Springers in the lower Columbia, salmon and steelhead in the mid-Columbia and Snake Rivers. At least two have made an annual trip to Alaska for Kings and Reds. They are easy to work on and get parts for. Bent a handle in Alaska, walked into a fishing repair shop to get a new handle. The guy that ran the shop went over to his 'boneyard' and asked if it mattered what color it was. Five minutes later I was on my way with another handle, a $5.00 fix had me fishing again. Also two other friends that I fish with, both had Shimano's, both now have 6500's on their rods.

Again, maintain them CLEAN and OIL regularly.
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I have six Abu 6500's Newest is three years old and oldest is 25 years old. As with any piece of equipment, if you maintain it, it will serve you well. These reels have fished Springers in the lower Columbia, salmon and steelhead in the mid-Columbia and Snake Rivers. At least two have made an annual trip to Alaska for Kings and Reds. They are easy to work on and get parts for. Bent a handle in Alaska, walked into a fishing repair shop to get a new handle. The guy that ran the shop went over to his 'boneyard' and asked if it mattered what color it was. Five minutes later I was on my way with another handle, a $5.00 fix had me fishing again. Also two other friends that I fish with, both had Shimano's, both now have 6500's on their rods.

Again, maintain them CLEAN and OIL regularly.
I can say the opposite. Almost all of my reels have been switched from Abu's to Shimano's. The low end Abu reels (low pro) are a little better than the cheap Shimano's though. (under $60)

I do like the Abu low profile reels though. (they only get used for trolling, which the Shimano Charter Specials take care of for me)

I have 4 Abu 5500-6500 reels, that haven't been fished in a couple years because they just aren't favored over the other options I have.

One has a tweaked frame, because they aren't very rigid reels as well.
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Do abu 6500's series come stock with carbon drag washers? I didn't think so. If they are so good, I don't understand why abu just don't put them in and sell it a little higher new? I hate opening those things up. It seem like the abu forum, everyone changes the washer. This is why I end up going with shimano. I'm looking for another reel now.

The reason Abu does not charge a higher price is because they offer higher reels, ie 6501 c3, 6601c4, record 61, torro 61.... The list goes on and on. Abu's also are not MAP priced which means that prices wont always be the same where ever you go. Shimano is the same way they offer a corvalis, cardiff, calcutta, calcutta te, the list goes on and on...
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Bob's in Longview has Shimano Cardiff CDF 200A reels for $59.97.... I've never used one. Opinions?

I like my Abu 6500 more after Olie Damon's swapped out the washers. But I cast more accurately with my tiny Shimano Bantam 100 from the early 80s. CW

I have a fishing partner who all he uses for casting for coho is the Cardiff 200, he likes the reel better then his older calcutta's... Great reels
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Do abu 6500's series come stock with carbon drag washers? I didn't think so. If they are so good, I don't understand why abu just don't put them in and sell it a little higher new? I hate opening those things up. It seem like the abu forum, everyone changes the washer. This is why I end up going with shimano. I'm looking for another reel now.
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The newer models have Carbon Matrix drag washers installed.
Look for "Carbon Matrix" drag washers in the reel's description.

It's the older Ambassadeurs that are being upgraded.
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I have a soft spot for shimano's. I've had a Curado for about 7 year now and it's never failed me and I use it a lot. If you could find a used one on ebay or something, I'd go for it. It's outlived 3 or 4 rods, and with a good cleaning and greasing once a year, it casts like the day I bought it.
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ABU !!!!! who ever came up with the small block Chev bit is my new hero of terminology.
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Old 04-29-2010, 10:39 PM   #46
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Hard to find good $100 low profile baitcast. For non-low profiles, Abu c4 is probably best for salmons in general for $99 at Cabelas.com. But these are not good for light lures.

For drift or jig and float, Daiwa Coastal Inshore for $140 has the best anti backlash control I've ever seen.

Put on 150yd of 30lb braid, your good for jsut about anything.

Shimano Citica is also good for $120, but seems little flimsy
Abu Revo $150 is solidly built but trickier to use but casts a mile once you thumb the spool properly
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We have an assortment of Ambassadeurs here and do not like the C4 for salmon. It's the 6.3:1 gear ratio that is the deal-breaker.
We much prefer the 4.7:1 or 5.3:1 ratios for salmon.

OTOH, with the low-pros the higher gear ratios are well liked.
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We have an assortment of Ambassadeurs here and do not like the C4 for salmon. It's the 6.3:1 gear ratio that is the deal-breaker.
We much prefer the 4.7:1 or 5.3:1 ratios for salmon.

OTOH, with the low-pros the higher gear ratios are well liked.
This may be a dumb question, buy what do you get by going down in gear ratio?
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more power to pull in the fish (and lead, divers, etc). a 6.3:1 will pull things in faster than a 3.8:1, BUT there's less effort at the handle with the 3.8:1. that's why you don't see high gear ratios on the big offshore reels.

doesn't seem like much difference between a c3 (5.3:1) and a c4 (6.3:1) at first. but cast/retrieve a #5 spinner in heavy current. the different gear sets becomes rather obvious quickly.
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This may be a dumb question, buy what do you get by going down in gear ratio?
With the C4, the drive and pinion gears are the same size as the C3 which has5.3:1. That being the case, more teeth are cut into each gear, making them smaller and therefore weaker. From a durability standpoint, a smaller ratio with bigger teeth in the gears will simply last longer and also give you the ability to 'winch' in fish more effectively if desired.

The only application in which I use a C4 with the 6.3:1 ratio is float fishing long drifts for salmon and steelhead to retrieve line more quickly.
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Out of box both the Calcutta and ABU reels need some drag work to be smooth for any length of time. Calcutta's are a bit nicer but both can be made into good reels with a bit of work, the easiest is adding greased Carbontex drag washers. I've heard the newer ABUs have carbon drags so just grease them with Shamano or Cal's drag grease.


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We have an assortment of Ambassadeurs here and do not like the C4 for salmon. It's the 6.3:1 gear ratio that is the deal-breaker.
We much prefer the 4.7:1 or 5.3:1 ratios for salmon.

OTOH, with the low-pros the higher gear ratios are well liked.

Put C3 gears and anti reverse dog in a C4 (you have to change out the back plate to add the anti reverse dog) then greased Carbontex drag washers and you have a much beter reel, a clutch bearing and dog for the anti reverse and more bearings than the C3. The C4 Winch is too low speed for most of my needs. I have Shamano CTE 401 TE handles on mine (I had the handles from upgrading the CTE 401 TE's with CTE 400LJV power handles) to give me more torque. The larger gold handle looks good on the blue C4's too.


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With the C4, the drive and pinion gears are the same size as the C3 which has5.3:1. That being the case, more teeth are cut into each gear, making them smaller and therefore weaker. From a durability standpoint, a smaller ratio with bigger teeth in the gears will simply last longer and also give you the ability to 'winch' in fish more effectively if desired.

The only application in which I use a C4 with the 6.3:1 ratio is float fishing long drifts for salmon and steelhead to retrieve line more quickly.
The number of teeth in a gear has no relation to the speed of the reel, it's the diameter of the gears (high speed drive gears do have more teeth but it's because of the larger circumference). A high speed reel will have a smaller pinion and larger drive gear than a lower speed reel. ABU uses the same drag washers so the high speed drive gear has more metal in it than the lower speed gear.

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Out of box both the Calcutta and ABU reels need some drag work to be smooth for any length of time. Calcutta's are a bit nicer but both can be made into good reels with a bit of work, the easiest is adding greased Carbontex drag washers. I've heard the newer ABUs have carbon drags so just grease them with Shamano or Cal's drag grease.





Put C3 gears and anti reverse dog in a C4 (you have to change out the back plate to add the anti reverse dog) then greased Carbontex drag washers and you have a much beter reel, a clutch bearing and dog for the anti reverse and more bearings than the C3. The C4 Winch is too low speed for most of my needs. I have Shamano CTE 401 TE handles on mine (I had the handles from upgrading the CTE 401 TE's with CTE 400LJV power handles) to give me more torque. The larger gold handle looks good on the blue C4's too.




The number of teeth in a gear has no relation to the speed of the reel, it's the diameter of the gears (high speed drive gears do have more teeth but it's because of the larger circumference). A high speed reel will have a smaller pinion and larger drive gear than a lower speed reel. ABU uses the same drag washers so the high speed drive gear has more metal in it than the lower speed gear.

I stand corrected, thanks Keta. I had apparently been misinformed.
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I agree that Abu's are like small block chevys, poor gas mileage, low quality but readily available parts, and everybody had one 15 years ago. i still have a couple that work fine for certain applications.

That being said I now prefer my curado hands down for casting. it can cast tiny drift fishing rigs about as far as my long spinning rods, and I never have any issues with it.
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Quantum 1431 they stopped makiing then but they are bullet proof.Last year i bet i put over 50 sturgeon on mine .Trolled herring on it and now another year of sturgeon has started still works great
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I agree that Abu's are like small block chevys, poor gas mileage, low quality but readily available parts, and everybody had one 15 years ago. i still have a couple that work fine for certain applications.
I work on and own a large variety of reels and I fail to see "low quality" in ABU reels. Some of the Malaysian built Shamanos are far worse than most ABU's. Calcutta reels are much nicer but they cost a lot more than an ABU of the same size. Internally they are both about the same with to many plastic parts.
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Old 04-30-2010, 02:22 PM   #56
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It all depends on the type of rod you are using and if you are truely bait casting with a bait casting rod, or "plunking" from shore with a bait casting rod. If you are plunking with a larger rod from shore it is hard to beat the Daiwa 50H reels. I own 6 of them, 3 for boat rods and 3 for plunking rods. They have enough speed to pull lead and lures without hanging up on the bottom and enough low end speed to reel in the big ones.
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Curado 300, nothing but impressive.
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A steelhead or yes, some of this year's crazy spring chinook, will often charge upstream towards the boat once hooked. I fish hanging off of the hook in shallow water (7' -14') much of the time and, unlike trolling where the boat is also pulling the gear and hooked fish along, perpetually taking up slack, with the boat still, it can be a challenge clearing that rod from the rod holder, setting the hook and then cranking quick enough to maintain good tension on such a quick charger. Here I think a faster retrieve ratio is desirable. My Avet has a 5.8::1 is great in these conditions. My ABU 6500 is also pretty good here (what is their retrieve ratio?) .

I know that we lost a springer this year because my buddy (who is mainly used to trolling in the salt) was not aggressive enough after setting that Kwikfish plug in cranking quickly enough on the Penn 209. It's 3::1 ratio did simply did not keep up with the boat-charging chinook. In deeper water and with more line out as well as ocean or trolling conditions, it may not matter as much. There is a reason most tuna reels have a fast retrieve... to keep up with fast fish, often hooked at or near the surface! Then there are the two-speed reels with a 3::1 and a 6::1 set of gears to choose from... but not generally baitcasters and the subject of this thread. CW
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common abu gear ratios:

4601 (c3 and c4): 6.3:1
5501 (c3): 5.3:1 (standard) 3.8:1 (winch)
5601 (c4): 6.3:1
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kalex (all) 5.9:1
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record 51: 6.3:1
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I love ambassadors! Had a Shimano Bantam Mag 100 once that was a great reel. Have four of five Abu's now, a Shaksphere, a Quantram (Zebco), actually do have a Zebco (42 yrs old!), and a few other dinosaures. Also have a Diawa Millionaire. Got one just to try when Joes went under and that is a very nice reel. Gonna take a long time to get the miles on it my Abu's have tho. My first ambassador I bought new in 1968. Then you had your choice of a 5000 and that was it. I was still using it when it burned up in a house fire in 2002. Great reel!
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