Question about Hatcheries

THE REEL HEY_YALL · 03-01-2002, 03:44 PM

Howdy.

I was plundering around a private hatchery one time. Big deal, who doesn't do this, right? Well, these folks use the same feed as the state (brand, and probably pellet sizes). Well I picked up a bag and started reading the ingredients, and noticed a peculiar ingredient:

NICOTINE

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this supposed to be addictive? Now let's say a fish is addicted to eating hatchery pellets, I would assume the fish would have a harder time surviving than say a fish that wasn't fed this particular feed.

Anyone else want to shed some light on this subject? Or am I onto something so big that not even the biologists looked at this? :whazzup:

M W Sheller · 03-01-2002, 04:00 PM

Maybe that's why Berkly powerbait is so effective on pellet-heads. Maybe they put nicotene in it also!?!???? Whadaya think??? :whazzup:

Trick · 03-01-2002, 05:34 PM

The men in black will be landing their black helicopters in your backyard tommorow. Rednecks beware! :shocked:

You didn't tear the sack open and stick a pinch between your cheek and gum? LMAO

Chew spit may be the new secret fish attractant...prepration H move over.

That is very strange anyways, I'm curious to find out what the deal is.

Joe · 03-01-2002, 07:52 PM

What brand of feed was it? I would have probably been tempted to sample a little back when I quit chewing. [img]graemlins/idea.gif[/img]

DanS · 03-01-2002, 08:03 PM

Beechnut in the bait loop.

Jennie@ifish · 03-02-2002, 06:11 AM

That's really strange. I thought that one pure drop of that stuff would kill you.
I'm going to ask about this to someone who knows...
Whoooooo would know?
Fish biologists...?
J

STGRule · 03-02-2002, 07:29 AM

I don't know, but I'm going to take a wild guess. Corn meal is used in production of the fish food. Nicotine is used as a pesticide in corn crops. Maybe there is residual nicotine and they have to disclose it because it is a regulated chemical? Just a guess.

Phish_on · 03-02-2002, 08:06 AM

That explains those fish at Detroit with butts in their bellies, um ... so to speak.

"plundering" :whazzup:

David Johnson · 03-02-2002, 09:29 AM

What order in ingreadients was it? How much is in the food?

If it is in there to make the fish addicted to it it's probably to make the private hatchery fish that are for sale eat more and grow faster.

It might be added specially for the fish for sale hatcheries. They can get what ever they want added to their feed.

In college we all had our own project we had to do with fish. One of my gudies found that the red pigment in papreka is the same natural pigment found in shelfish. Since salmon and trout get their red/orenge flesh color from the pigment in the crustacians they eat just as flamingo's get their pink color in thier feathers from brine shrimp he had some fish food made with 3% paprika and his fish got pink flesh.

THE REEL HEY_YALL · 03-04-2002, 10:46 AM

I think you guys are missing the point. This is the EXACT brand used by WA state. I think Moore-Clark puts it out; could be wrong.

I'm sure I will be "plundering" around there again and can find exact nutritional content figures for y'all.

Jennie - 1 ounce of nicotine will kill you. I think that's pure nicotine though.

STGRule - We farm (my family). Huuuuuge farm. To the best of my knowledge, nicotine is not going to be in the food you eat from the pesticide, unless it was a buttload of food or a buttload of nicotine in the pesticide.

Since it was a private hatchery, a debate could arise that this is special food derived to keep the fish from "eating" after they are sold to sub-contractors and placed into their facilities.

..........who knows what I may uncover.

8 *******' replies to an awesome question. Maybe I should have asked for a recipe. :whazzup:

STGRule · 03-04-2002, 01:25 PM

How about another ******** answer to your "awesome" question?
How about you read "nicotine" when the word was actually "nicotinate"?
Put that in your search engine and smoke it. :grin:

THE REEL HEY_YALL · 03-05-2002, 07:54 AM

nope. says "nicotine", but when we get some dried out, we'll ship some to you to put in your pipe. :grin:

STGRule · 03-05-2002, 07:58 AM

Well you got me, I looked through every site I could find about fish feed and can't find anything about nicotine. Did you call and ask the hatchery? Maybe they would know.

Point-of-Sale Clerk · 03-05-2002, 08:21 AM

My search indicated that nicotine when placed in fish food can be used to control snails or other intermediate disease carrying hosts in dirt bottom rearing ponds. I believe that nicotine is more than likely used as an appetite enhancer but that is just my opinion�

*** Clerk

Stacie L. Kelsey · 03-05-2002, 02:53 PM

You know, the last time someone took it upon themselves to do a private investigation regarding fish and fish food, we had the whole fiasco with fish carrying e coli at Battle Ground Lake. Of course the news media who did the private investigation didn't bother to go to the hatchery to find out first - they went straight to the public, got everyone in an uproar and now a perfectly safe lake to fish is not fished very much anymore.

So, I called our local hatchery, might I add, one of the best in the entire state that raises fish, by one of the best fish growers in probably the whole United States and asked him for the lo-down.

He has a call into the manufacturer and as soon as he gives me an update I will post it.

I do know that it is not spelled the same way as nicotine is... so we will see what they say.

stace

Slow Roll · 03-05-2002, 03:27 PM

So that's what those little funny shaped spots are on the fish I catch.
It's from those little nicotine patches that they use!!

Sorry, couldn't resist.
:tongue:

Paul B.

Stacie L. Kelsey · 03-05-2002, 04:18 PM

AR AR AR AR AR

funny guy!

THE REEL HEY_YALL · 03-06-2002, 09:08 AM

Stacie -

It was a hatchery worker that brought this to my attention. I don't plunder around there to do investigations, etc. We're usually building potato guns, and other projectile launchers.

I do study the fish's behavior since I am down there every day. Don't study it everyday, but I am down there.

Put a call in with the manufacturer and let me know what you find out. Beats me picking up a phone and calling them.

And notice my post was a question(s), not an accusation. Don't look for the News choppers yet Stacie

:grin:

***- those are my exact thoughts = appetite enhancer. This place only has 3 dirt-bottom tanks, so I don't see the other millions of fish would need snail treatment in covered tanks. However, if that's the answer, then I'll accept it as the answer and say thanks for answering.

Still going to hold out for Stacie's call, as my time is not my own, lately. Thanks again to all who answered.