ceder creek hatchery vs DEQ

[toblerone]

H :tongue: as any one heard that DEQ may not renew permits dealing with the two holding ponds at cedar creek?
There is a million $ pricetag to fix these two ponds and ODFW has not the money to fix them. Where will the wild broodstock fish be raised when these two ponds close this summer?

[Lund]

These fish should be raised in Wilson water,not Trask. I don't want to get any feathers ruffled here. Marty P. has done an awesome job for the brood program, but what it is doing with wilson fish is not the best option, but rather the only one for now. All Wilson brood fish are raised in Trask water. all the adults used for spawn are placed back into the TRASK river to return to the ocean. This seems way wrong. talk about a lost fish. the wilson fish should be raised in wison water. cedar creek on the upper wilson had a facility years ago that the flood of 64 took out. this would be an ideal place to do it. It would take lots of money, but a well worthwhile project to raise those fish where they belong. Again nothing against your efforts for the peogram Marty, you are truly a gift to it. I beleive that if it is to work like the siletz program, the fish need to be raised in wilson water!

If a truly great program is to happen, it would seem like the trask has the facilities to make a great program for itself. It has two facilities(east fork) & (cedar creek) both with ability to raise steelhead. All of these options would take increbible private funding to accomplish, but in time would be the best solution.

[Thumper]

So how many dollars are you talking about?

[Point-of-Sale Clerk]

this is what I got yesterday:

>Subject: NPDES Permit for ODFW Hatchery Operations
>
>DEQ staff will be meeting next week with ODFW staff in an attempt to sort
>out the remaining issues over the general NPDES permit for ODFW hatchery
>operations. One of the remaining questions centers around how chemical use
>should be reported under the permit. Should the DEQ require information
>about chemical use for each individual hatchery operation, or would it be
>sufficient for ODFW to report their total chemical use statewide? DEQ is
>also interested in the information ODFW is developing on chemical levels
>in hatchery fish associated with the use of potentially contaminated fish food.
>
> >>As an aside, I understand that the two agencies have agreed that the
> rearing ponds at the Cedar Creek Hatchery in the Nestucca basin will be
> closed rather than having ODFW spend a million dollars that they don't
> have to bring them into compliance.<<

[Bubzilla]

Okay, I'm a little confused here. Isn't Cedar Creek Hatchery on Three Rivers? If so, what do the Trask and Wilson have to do with it?

[Lund]

my apologies,
i thought the post was refering to cedar creek hachery on the trask. there is a cedar creek on almost every river in oregon.

[David Johnson]

lund,

Yes, the Wilson brood stock fish are hatched at the trask but that is not when the fish aclimate to where they are going to return. They acclimate about a month before the smolt up and leave for the ocean. Hence the acclimation pond on the lower Wilson. I beleive they do also keep smolts/fry up at the prison camp on the upper Wilson.

I don't agree with the fact that they put the spawned adults into the Trask becuase it might mess up their return the second time around.

If there was a problem of raisng fish in water that they weren't intended to return to they wouldn't have been able to put Alsea stock in most of the coastal river, Big Cr stock in the Clack and Sandy, summer runs and spring chinook in the Sandy........All those programs have been successful with fish raised in different water.

[TideRunner]

Is there any reason or info on why the spawned adults are not taken back to their native water? Seems like common sense to me.

[David Johnson]

They probably just don't take the time to do so but it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

It might not matter since the fish are just going back down to the ocean but they may need to acclimate to come back that second time.