Coastal "outlaw" Chrome!! (PIC)

Ty · 03-07-2004, 09:27 PM

Met up with Willamette River Outlaw and one of his fishing buddies to try and catch some March steelies...

Here is the first fish of the day caught by WRO...

This fish was a "wild" broodstock fish that was 34" X 16".

Here is the picture of this fish's right maxillary clip.

This fish had the biggest eggs I have ever seen in a steelhead... 8mm!!!

Here is evidence that this fish spawned in a previous year as indicated by the healed lower leading edges on the anal and caudal fins.

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GOT2FISH · 03-07-2004, 09:43 PM

That poor fish

Steve · 03-08-2004, 12:37 AM

Hey Ty, are you still interested in those chrome Okies? couldn't return your email??? They would go good with those chrome steelies..! Steve

ZaQ · 03-08-2004, 04:25 AM

No cracker that day. Nice job fellas!

Grant Scheele · 03-08-2004, 04:37 AM

Where in Oregon can you keep a max clipped only hatchery fish? I would be erasing this picture right away if I was RWO. Hope I am wrong....

Chris Sessions · 03-08-2004, 04:39 AM

Sorry Pete. What I meant to say was: What's up with this non-adiposed clipped fish?

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Pete · 03-08-2004, 04:52 AM

Just a reminder - potty humor don't fly on Ifish. Let's leave the gutter humor in the gutter, OK?

tag-a-long · 03-08-2004, 06:01 AM

Nice fish. We had a pretty fine day this weekend at the coast as well. Boated several nice fish...

Tillerboy · 03-08-2004, 06:24 AM

Nice fish boys. Not sure I would have posted a pic of a dead steelhead with an adipose fin attached though. I spoke with a trooper a while back about this and he said the adipose needs to be removed to avoid a ticket. Doesn't matter if the max is clipped or not.

SHOUGALNITE · 03-08-2004, 06:57 AM

Dakotan · 03-08-2004, 06:59 AM

nice fish guys. one of them looked like they swallowed a football....what a porker!

danger · 03-08-2004, 07:04 AM

Beautiful fish, but this appears to be an illegal act. Pardon my ignorance, but I thought anglers are not allowed to keep what WE determine to be hatchery fish. Max or not the adipose is the rule. What is the justification??????????? Expert please! [img]graemlins/1zhelp.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/1zhelp.gif[/img] :whazzup:

Gun Rod Bow · 03-08-2004, 07:12 AM

Looks to me that you guys are falling for the same bait as that steelhead.

Did anyone mention from what waters it was caught?

Nice fish Ryan.

ChuckDog · 03-08-2004, 07:29 AM

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blackdog · 03-08-2004, 07:30 AM

Sure hope that it wasn't in any waters in the NW Zone, as the regs are pretty clear about not allowing the retention of ANY steelhead that's not adipose clipped. Get into the SW Zone and regs change some, so there is the possibility that this isn't a problem.

How about it Ty? Let's clear the air put these fears to rest.

freespool · 03-08-2004, 07:36 AM

Have not read this years regs. yet,but in past years steelhead maybe retained with any fin clipped. Salmon maybe retained with adiposed fin clipped only. Very nice fish you have there men.

salmon hugger

fishnxtc · 03-08-2004, 07:38 AM

How about not clearing the air. If it was a legal caught fish let it be. Why does everyone have to justify their catch on Ifish? I know WRO I don't think he is stupid enough (could be wrong :grin: ) to post a pic of a nate that was take illegally. Why don't you guy's look at the regs and maybe fish some new water you might find something out. Why does everone need to post the river they where fishing? I guess they have a number for wild steelhead on tag's for the fun of it...............Chris

RiverDog · 03-08-2004, 07:45 AM

Looks like a fish caught on the north "forked tongue" river?

Hey Ty, just ribbing ya! I would think you know enough to keep it legal.

Gun Rod Bow · 03-08-2004, 07:49 AM

What XTC said!

Amerman · 03-08-2004, 07:52 AM

Ty, not trying to continue a fight here about that fish having an adipose fin. (We started this back and forth on another thread, and you said to see the fin clip here). I love your posts on ifish and think you are very knowledgeable, but I think you made a mistake this time. In Oregon you are required to release any steelhead that has an adipose regardless of other clips. Freespool, you are backwards on what you said (salmon any fin for the hatchery tag and steelhead ad only). It looks to me when blowing up the pic. that the max fin is tucked under the upper jaw and has a ragged torn look on the lower jaw. This would indicate to me that this fish was hooked as a young fish, probably a smolt, and had its max fin ripped off (and was in fact a wild fish). The size of eggs and wear on its tail would indictate also that this fish ws trying to spawn or getting ready too.

Edit...I know that there are rivers in the state of Oregon where it is still legal to keep wild fish. Maybe you were on one of those.

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I.B. Fish'n · 03-08-2004, 07:59 AM

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danger · 03-08-2004, 08:00 AM

I think Scott is correct. Look at the dorsal fin, every hatchery fish I have caught has a somewhat distorted dorsal fin, that one looks perfect. Hellooooooooo.....is anyone out there? And just out of curiosity can someone tell me what river in OR it is legal to keep a non finclipped fish, since there are so many out there that my nieve self has never fished. Just want to check it against the regs that I never read.

Dan(ger)

KingFisher85 · 03-08-2004, 08:03 AM

Nice :grin:

freespool · 03-08-2004, 08:12 AM

Thank you Scott for clearing that up. Danger, Rogue and Elk Rivers spring to mind.

salmon hugger

Twitchs_Tackle · 03-08-2004, 08:22 AM

Hum... [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img]

Ty, I understand your reasoning that the Max clip distinguishes the broodstock program fish, but that should not be the only determinate. If a fish is spray painted bright orange, has all its fins cut off, and a stamp on its head says hatchery, BUT it still has an adipose, according to Oregon Law, it MUST go back. Until they change the definitions in the the Law, they must be followed as printed.

Agreeing with Amerman that this fish, based of what I can see in the picture, is likely a native that was injured during smolt stage. Here is a picture of a Bull Trout, taken form the fish trap at Rounde Butte Dam that is missing its maxillary... is it a broodstock program fish? No, it was injured sometime during its life and thus now has no max.

Ty, I know you have caught a ton of broodstock fish this year, how many 2 year old broodstock fish are 34" long?

All mine have been about +/- 28" and 7-8 pounds.

Not tryin to flame, I enjoy seein your posts, I just want to hear more reasoning/justification, as I'm sure so do others.

Also, thanks Scott for the update, the North Umpqua is also open to non-clipped retention. (1 fish day, 5 per year)

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Catcherman · 03-08-2004, 08:35 AM

Nice fish Ty!
(pottymouth) happens. I can understand If you made a mistake! Just learn from your mistake. Thanks for the pics!
Tom

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willierower · 03-08-2004, 08:36 AM

Come on WRO, I tell you about a river and you make the loooooooooooooong trek down there and catch my fish! I,ll be down there soon.

willametteriveroutlaw · 03-08-2004, 09:27 AM

My only comment is that the rules are different in other parts of the state and in other states. there is atleast 7 or 8 rivers in OR.. As far is not being a native, i was positive it was a hatchery fish or I never would have bonked it. (Scott you brought up a good point and I hope that you were wrong for my conscience's sake :depressed: )

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deep set · 03-08-2004, 09:32 AM

WRO.... judging from the foliage (almost entirely in bloom) I would say you were definately somewhere warmer and south! And yes, there are some different rules down there.

Hope you guys were legal, and if not that it was an honest mistake not to be made again. A nice fish though.

03-08-2004, 09:49 AM

Unless that fish was caught somewhere in Oregon where it is legal to retain wild fish. It is an illegally taken fish! Flame all you want but read the regs on this!

MasterCaster · 03-08-2004, 10:11 AM

Very nice fish!

This thread is the perfect example of people that need to zip their lips until or unless they know all the facts behind it. Dont jump to conclusions. Some of you jump the gun all too often on "possible" mistakes and just luv to pick things apart.

Again nice fish guys! I hope I make it out for another steelie or two before the springers kick off hard and heavy.

Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

Wet_Willy · 03-08-2004, 12:02 PM

Welcome to iflame...

Could have been any number of rivers including the Elk/Sixes, N. Umpqua, Chetco, Pistol...the list is actually pretty long. Now how many of them have a broodstock program I don't know. So while Ty may be off on the max clip thing, I doubt he took a native illegally. In case you haven't noticed on any of his other previous posts he is pretty knowledgable about fish, not just fishing. Which is why I'm not even sure he is off with the broodstock clip.

Rakkasan · 03-08-2004, 12:02 PM

Nice fish, but when in doubt put it back. The first steelhead I ever caught was a native and I did not know any better for lack of education. I have caught fish that were border line on the adipose. Looked to be half clipped. Back it went. If it was a nate which I think it is then it should have gone back. However I have no idea where you were fishing, so I cannot say you are wrong. If not great. If so then you learned a lesson. Pretty fish.

AlseaAssassin · 03-08-2004, 01:30 PM

Man oh man, I am glad you guys didn't run into a Statie that day! I am trying to figure out how you know it was a hatchery fish? The dorsal and every other fin on that fish look pristine in the picture indicating it wasn't raised in a raceway and the so called max clip is done on the upper jaw were the bone extends away from the fishes skull, premaxilla, and supramaxilla. I have worked in a hatchery and handled alot of fish that have misclipped adipose but never have I seen a maxilla clip that resulted in the healed scar on the lower jaw, it is anatomically impossible unless the clippers really fowled up. You might want to look in a ichthyology text book to see how the maxilla attaches to the skull of the fish if you need comfirmation of this or ask Ty he has probably taken systematics, it sure looks to me like some either hooked the fish then ripped the max or it was injured sometime in its life. I sure hope this fish was in fact caught on river that is designated for retention of nates.

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freespool · 03-08-2004, 02:08 PM

OK all you [img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img] dot fishers the fish was taken on a south coast stream where natives are legal to retain. Not illegal but LEGAL it's ok my unknowing brothers. Please get a copy of the current regs. and look up some of those streams. Please stop flaming Ty,he did nothing wrong.

salmon hugger

NW JET'N · 03-08-2004, 03:11 PM

Are there broodstock programs down south???

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willierower · 03-08-2004, 04:10 PM

Yes! There are Broodstock programs down south. That fish was most likly a stray from a stream close to where that one was caught........

Some of you people need to settle down a little bit. WRO and Ty did nothing that was against any law,So CHILL OUT! would ya!

03-08-2004, 04:18 PM

So my question is what rivers in Oregon allows for the rentention of natives? I know there are some. Why is it some big dark secret? I seriously doubt that there is going to be a mass pilgrimage to that river just because someone posted a picture of one fish

willierower · 03-08-2004, 04:33 PM

Elk, Sixes, Pistol, Umpqua to name a few. Or the fish could have been caught up on the Oly Pen.... Who knows

Get Bent · 03-08-2004, 04:48 PM

KILL ALL THEM SEWER TROUT BRING ON THE SALMON YOU WOULD HAVE TO PROVE TO ME ITS WILD NOT CONCRETE TO GRAVEL

Rueben4life · 03-08-2004, 05:09 PM

Then why did WRO and Ty state it was a "hatchery" fish?

Kentucky Hog Hunter · 03-08-2004, 05:20 PM

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When in doubt...throw it back...

I had a similiar situation up on the Wind River last spring...I caught a springer with no fins missing and I threw it back not knowing you can keep everything there...

I soon figured that out when many locals were giving me the stink eye after I threw that one back...I called up and asked my good friend Eric Linde why everyone was giving me the stink eye for throwing back what I considered a nate and he began laughing at me... [img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img]

However, the moral of that story...when in doubt, throw it back...

Oh by the way...I will find out where these quote "Wild Steelhead Bonking Rivers" are and get back to you...It will take me 2 phone calls to find out...

Stay tuned...

weekend warrior · 03-08-2004, 05:24 PM

Man O' man do people here sure jump someones <petunia> when they have absolutely nothing to prove otherwise [img]graemlins/icon_argue.gif[/img] . How many of you accusers were in the boat, fishing on the same river, or saw them catch this fish? Oh thats right you weren't, you were sitting on a computer and accusing them of doing something illegal. Let me get this straight also, that if you catch a fish with what appears to be a max clip and say it looked like a hatchery fish you are now doing an illegal act

?
Another thing since when did it become ifish policy to name the river you were fishing to make a bunch of finger pointers happy?
My point is that they know were they were fishing and what the regs are so stop pointing fingers.

Nice fish WRO and nice pics Ty.

Salmonator · 03-08-2004, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by weekend warrior:
Let me get this straight also, that if you catch a fish with what appears to be a max clip and say it looked like a hatchery fish you are now doing an illegal act ?

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Um, if you keep it on a non-native retention river, Yes! [img]graemlins/idea.gif[/img]

Backlash2 · 03-08-2004, 05:32 PM

How about reading the regs for yourself, Stew. And quit casting stones when you apparently don't know any better.

While I am all for releasing ALL wild steelhead, I'm not gonna jump somebody's backside for keeping one if legally allowed to do so.

Another sad day for this board......

weekend warrior · 03-08-2004, 05:34 PM

Salmonator, thats right are forgot you know were it was caught.Um, right.

KingFisher85 · 03-08-2004, 05:35 PM

Ty, WRO
Don't tell them what river it was... :grin: let them all cry you a river, then well go fish it after there all done

I'm gettin a kick out of readin all this tho [img]graemlins/lurk.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/dork.gif[/img]

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Phishin Phool · 03-08-2004, 05:37 PM

Last year I caught a silver out at the rock pile whose adipose was hanging on by a thread. Obvious it was clipped but, not removed. I let it go. Got back to the dock and told f&w checker my story and she said " I'd of let you keep that one" Yet another checker may not have. Not saying anything about what Ty and WRO did except I'm sure they are legal. Just restating what has been said a couple times earlier when in doubt put it back.
My .02

--PP/Russ

weekend warrior · 03-08-2004, 05:39 PM

KF85, what you said.

Salmonator · 03-08-2004, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by weekend warrior:
Salmonator, thats right are forgot you know were it was caught.Um, right.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Regardless of where it was caught I answered your question as I saw it. Sorry if you don't understand english!

Jennie@ifish · 03-08-2004, 06:20 PM

This is going nowhere. I'm closing it.
Yes, it's a sad thread, on everyone's side.
Let's just forget it, get up tomorrow, and start fresh with a new attitude.
Just remember... We are all here because we have things in common. Let's not search for things we don't have in common. That's too easy. Let's take a different path. :smile:
K?
Thanks, and closing the thread.
Jen