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Old 01-04-2010, 07:19 PM   #1
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I read in a retreiver training book back in the 80's that you should spit in your pups mouth on a certain day of their life. The idea is to establish dominance and bonding.

I have done that with every dog I have owned and it has almost worked too well for me. My dogs are so loyal to me that they shun my wife and others and are my constant shadow. They will go through hell and back for me and never consider disobeying me. My wife says that my dog is "in love" with me. I think she's jealous. When I'm gone my dog pines away for me and acts depressed. He won't leave my side when I'm home.

I'm not so sure this is such a good thing? When we are in the field I can't leave him alone with someone else and go and retreive ducks in a boat, even if they are holding him back. He will break free and swim a mile in freezing water to get to me.

Has anyone else heard of this? When you do a google search on this you come up with some interesting results.

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I did that with Alex,

The old boy hawked up a big one and spit right back.

I've been in love with him ever since.
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I aint fallin for this trick AGAIN
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I don't know about any trick. Everything that I posted is true. In fact here are a couple of the many articles that you can find on dog training that recommends this to trainiers. Read down near the end of the article.

http://www.northernflight.com/newpup.htm


" The next method of asserting control that I am going to mention might seem a bit disgusting to you but it works; I learned this from a horse trainer. Every now and then, just grab your dog’s muzzle, open his mouth, and spit in his mouth! This works especially well on dogs that are being obstinate. I was told that it has the same effect as if Mama canine regurgitated food into a puppy’s mouth - and all dogs remember the respect that they had for Mama. I regularly spit in each dogs’ mouth when I have them on my force- fetch table; it has the effect of calming them down and reaffirms control. Similarly, if you don’t mind doing it, any treats that you give should be held in your mouth or spit on and moistened with your saliva before giving it to your dog. This, too, I would guess, is suggestive of Mama regurgitating food, and it reinforces the dog’s understanding of his lower rung on the pecking order ladder"

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"Now, watch a competent and experienced handler work with a dog. The handler has trained himself or herself to monitor the internal mechanisms of his or her personality and temperament, and to project positives to their canine students. An experienced handler will use strategies like breathing into a dog’s nose, or spitting saliva onto a training bumper or leather glove they are wearing. The handler then places the bumper or glove into the dog’s mouth, so that the dog can taste the person’s intentions. This is done to fast track the olfactory communication process..."

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You need to get a new training book, and quit spitting.
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I did that with Alex,

The old boy hawked up a big one and spit right back.

I've been in love with him ever since.
i am dying, thats the funniest thing ever
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That has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard... It may be a true thing and work well but I cant imagine having my dog open his mouth to hawk a loogey in his mouth
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I did that with Alex,
The old boy hawked up a big one and spit right back.
I've been in love with him ever since.
Todd, I can't stop laughing. That was a good one!
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I did that with Alex,

The old boy hawked up a big one and spit right back.

I've been in love with him ever since.
Classic!
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Nnn'ka,
first take two hay grass sprouts that are pushing seeds.
second, place them together with their trunks pointing opposite directions.
thirdly have Todd spit on them.
fourth, place grass stalks between your lips making sure stalks touch your mouth ahead of seed heads.
fourth, in one continuous motion pull ends of grass stalks though your mouth, making sure Todd spat on the seed heads proving ample lubrication to prevent burn...............
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Does it work on wives?

I'm still having trouble establishing dominance
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Does it work on wives?

I'm still having trouble establishing dominance

Only one way to find out. I suggest a scientific experiment. Try it out and then post your results for us to read with great interest.



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I chew once i spit it on the ground and my pup licked it up, he didnt like it lol. Anyways he shadows me everywhere think that would fall into this.
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It also works on cats, birds, rodents and snakes. I tried on my fish once but ran out of air before I could lip lock it in the corner










Actually I've never tried it and never will. That just sick MAN!
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WOW! I guess all we have on here tonight is jokesters. I can't beleive that this is the first time that anyone here has heard of this. I thought is was dumb too when I first heard of it. But I like to keep an open mind. I was hoping that there might be a few of you that were enlightened enough to at least discuss this topic. So far it's like telling 4 year olds that mommy's and daddy's press their lips together, doing a thing that's called kissing. GaaaRooossss!

Hunt'nfish and Rimrock. I guess DogZilla will be next. You guys disappoint me. This isn't something I made up. Some of the best dog trainers in the world use it. But what do they know in comparison to you guys?

Can you beleive that people actually clean the dirty bottoms of babies? I know. Sounds gross but it actually works. And my wife informs that she actually gets down on her knees and scrubs the toilet out. And all this time I thought it was self cleaning. How funny!
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Now people are just having some fun...not at you...just the picture of the man and dog, so smile along with it! OK?

If you want a "serious" answer, yes, I have heard of it before. Not spitting into a dog's mouth but spitting into a young dog's food bowl. I still think this is not an uncommon practice with guard dogs. Heck even Larry Mueller did it with hunting dogs. Not the lip lock the spitting into the food bowl.

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I did that with Alex,

The old boy hawked up a big one and spit right back.

I've been in love with him ever since.
I had a classic answer to that but the mods removed it.
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I never heard of spitting Arkansas but I have always bit my dogs on the top of their snout (very softly) right in front of their eyes. My wife and kids think I'm nuts but when they get tired of calling the dogs , I get em home. If mama invites a dog on the bed they will look at me or come to me first for the ok..alpha is as alpha does lol. I NEVER hurt my dogs but I lead the pack. Now those darn cats?? yell at them and they just shred yur wadders and spray on your creel.
 
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That is funny stuff. Sounds like a project for Myth busters.
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Here's another from the web: http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question...3071857AAgY1kc

"Spitting in a puppy's mouth to create deeper loyalty?

I had heard this in the real world. Was interested to see what info might be online. It's mostly some folks asking innocently "has anyone heard of this before?" and a whole bunch of (I can ONLY assume 12 year olds) 'ewww' answers, and 'that's so weird!' answers. Oh, grow up! First it's not getting dog spit in a persons mouth, but the other way... and dogs eat poo and all kinds of grossness given the chance, so spitting in their mouth isn't mean to them. Does anyone who cares to answer have any actual knowledge about Animal Behavior? NOT vet. medicine, that's like asking a surgeon for psychological advice when a therapist is clearly the better source of advice. Animal Behavior-wise this makes sense with regards to bonding/nurturing/dependence.

Also, I keep seeing it as a 'wives' tale', which is only half true. I got a flat tire and the tow driver who came was Native American. He had a dog in the truck. It was a beautiful, well-behaved dog and we began chatting about pups. This is how I learned that it's an ancient Native American practice to engender deep and lasting loyalty, that along with regular training and love, a few weeks of spitting in your puppy's mouth will make him/her loyal to YOU above all others.
Anyone done it, or known someone who has?"
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Does it work on wives?

I'm still having trouble establishing dominance
Sorry! You will have to figure out how to man up on your own.
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That has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard... It may be a true thing and work well but I cant imagine having my dog open his mouth to hawk a loogey in his mouth
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Actually I've never tried it and never will. That just sick MAN!
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You need to get a new training book, and quit spitting.

So I guess you guys think that French kissing is gross too? Maybe the dog deserves better? I consulted with your wives. They would rather swap spit with the dog.
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Does it work on wives?
No. It does not. At least in my experience.


As to dogs--never heard of it.
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No. It does not. At least in my experience.


As to dogs--never heard of it.
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That is funny stuff!
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WOW! I guess all we have on here tonight is jokesters. I can't beleive that this is the first time that anyone here has heard of this.
Maybe it's just an Arkansas thing...
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So I guess you guys think that French kissing is gross too? Maybe the dog deserves better? I consulted with your wives. They would rather swap spit with the dog.
I'm thinking maybe you need a girlfriend? Spitting in a dogs mouth sounds more like a fetish than a training tool. But if it makes you feel better have at it.

I have owned dogs all my life and have never had a problem with them bonding with the family or me because I didn't stick my tounge down thier throat or spit on thier food.

Just remember when your all puckered up and gazing into the eyes of your dog that he/she probabaly just got finishing licking it's own behind. Have Fun!
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I established dominance by training my dog the classical way. It shadows me as well. And I didn't have to use bodily fluids.
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i got a blackeye trying it on my wife i thought you were supposed to surprise then and just do it not tell them ahead of time!!!!!i think i just established that she is the dominate one LOL
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More: http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?showtopic=132325

"Has anybody heard of the old wive's tale if you spit in a dog's mouth when it is very young, it will be loyal to you and you only.

My mum swears by it (they always had working dogs on the farm) so we decided to try it when we got our first pup
My hubby spat in Scrubby's mouth (JRT) and she does anything and everything for him. So when we got our second JRT, Pumpit, I decided to spit in her mouth. (A little girly spit)
I didn't expect it to work as my hubby is Top Dog in our house. So we just presumed that Pumpit would follow the 'chain of command' but No, she is my dog and all my dog

Has anybody else ever tried it? Got nothing to lose except a little spit....(but only one person should do the spitting....and watch your aim)"
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I'm thinking maybe you need a girlfriend? Spitting in a dogs mouth sounds more like a fetish than a training tool. But if it makes you feel better have at it.

I have owned dogs all my life and have never had a problem with them bonding with the family or me because I didn't stick my tounge down thier throat or spit on thier food.

Just remember when your all puckered up and gazing into the eyes of your dog that he/she probabaly just got finishing licking it's own behind. Have Fun!
Wow! Some of you guys have dirty thoughts. That's too bad that some of you have to take a training technique that dog trainiers use (as evidenced by the links I've provided) and turn it into something like this.
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I tried it. Now my dog is always bitting my rear end trying to get my can of Cope out of my pocket. I guess we both need to quit....BH
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Dang!!! I got into this too late. Everyone has beat me to every smart _ _ _ answer that came to mind.

....yes, I've heard of it but not from anyone who ever trained dogs.

I've exchanged enough spit with different women over the years to agree with those who say the credit card works better....
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Wow! Some of you guys have dirty thoughts. That's too bad that some of you have to take a training technique that dog trainiers use (as evidenced by the links I've provided) and turn it into something like this.
your the one that referenced it to French kissing. Don't blame me for your eccentric training. I herd that allowing your dog to soil your carpet helps them to feel like the house is a sanctuary, like men do in a bathroom. I guess that's another technique that I won't be using.
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I guess that this guy is eccentric as well.

Larry Mueller in "Speed Train Your Own Bird Dog"

"The key to early training is making it all about rewards and successes, but never pressure. Here, because I have nothing else handy, the pup is accepting spit on my hand as a reward. It is a natural way to help form the pack leader relationship with a pup, because canine pups, under natural circumstances, accept saliva-coated food from the dam and other superior members of the pack."

But I'm sure that you are a superior trainier. How many books have you written on the subject of dog training?
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arkansasbasser,
Yeah were all laughing over this thread......but I wonder how many of us are going to try it? I am, whats it going to hurt. Not like I'm going to stick my tongue down her throat.

I have always done the ear biting and/or muzzle bite in front of the eyes and I do think it helps when there is a dominance issue. Never mean, but firm so they know who is in charge, and I hold them till I feel them relax, then a few moments longer.

I quit chewing the real stuff and now I chew the fake mint stuff and when I spit it out Sam licks it right up.
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Yeah were all laughing over this thread......but I wonder how many of us are going to try it? I am, whats it going to hurt. Not like I'm going to stick my tongue down her throat.

I have always done the ear biting and/or muzzle bite in front of the eyes and I do think it helps when there is a dominance issue. Never mean, but firm so they know who is in charge, and I hold them till I feel them relax, then a few moments longer.

I quit chewing the real stuff and now I chew the fake mint stuff and when I spit it out Sam licks it right up.
At last, a person with an open mind. Good for you. BTW, my dog's name is Sam too.

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You should take this innovative idea over to Retriever Training Forum and see what they have to say. Many professional dog trainers post to this website (one's I have actually heard of, and yes one's that have actually written books). Maybe they would greet the idea with more seriousness than this site. By the way, I am surprised my wife indicated to you she would prefer to swap spit with the dogs instead of me. She always seems offended by what the dogs lick. Good luck in your training.
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At last, a person with an open mind. Good for you. BTW, my dog's name is Sam too.

The world is full of people who have never, since childhood, met an open doorway with an open mind E. B. White quotes (American writer 1899-1985)

Open mind and open mouth is more like it. You keep referencing all these sources but the fact is there are references to many different things on the Internet. An open mind also includes understanding that people don't have to agree with your ideas. Maybe google that too.

It's funny that whenever another person says that it's never been a problem for them not to do something that people always come back to say things like -
"But I'm sure that you are a superior trainer. How many books have you written on the subject of dog training?"

I never said I was an expert and reading someone else's published work don't make you an an expert either. The theory that it promotes a stronger bond may have some validity, I don't deny that but contrary to the belief of some of these trainers dogs and humans are slightly different species. If someone wrote a book that said you should feed a pup breast milk, would you? I'm a dog lover and have never not had a dog my entire life. I guess I was taught that spitting is a sign of disrespect and I think too highly of my dog to spit in his face.

As far as being sick minded your the one that referenced that French Kissing and your dog training methods are the same -
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So I guess you guys think that French kissing is gross too? Maybe the dog deserves better? I consulted with your wives. They would rather swap spit with the dog.

Saying you consulted my wife and referencing your training methods don't register well with me.
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Sorry you must be right, I just googled "Spitting in your dogs mouth" Here's one that came up.




10 Reasons Why You Shouldn't Kiss Anyone
Except Your Dog



  1. More than 100,000,000 microscopic critters live in a human mouth.
  2. Bacteria hang out there.
  3. Fungus grows in the oral cavity.
  4. Mouths have viruses that may cause disease.
  5. The white blood cells from another person's spit will attack in your mouth.
  6. Little leftover bits of food will go into your mouth.
  7. Everyone's spit contains a little bit of urine from their glands.
  8. Yellow teeth tartar is sickening.
  9. Because the nose drips into the back of the mouth, you may get nose muscus mixed with a kiss.
  10. Dog mouths contain many enzymes for fighting infections.
This dog appears to be well trained:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr_HJJPDa1Q
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Old 01-05-2010, 11:28 AM   #43
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Credit card works far better.
I've tried that too.

Last year someone stole my wife's credit card. I didn't tell her for 2 months because they were spending less than she did.

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An open mind also includes understanding that people don't have to agree with your ideas.
Never asked you to agree. Just keep an open mind on the subject. However your first comment were "that's just sick man".

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It's funny that whenever another person says that it's never been a problem for them not to do something that people always come back to say things like -
"But I'm sure that you are a superior trainer. How many books have you written on the subject of dog training?"
You are calling the idea "sick" and "disgusting". I'm merely pointing out that people that know much more than you do about the subject don't agree with you and even recomend it.

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I'm a dog lover and have never not had a dog my entire life. I guess I was taught that spitting is a sign of disrespect and I think too highly of my dog to spit in his face.
I think most people can seperate the idea of a training method and being disrespectful.

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As far as being sick minded your the one that referenced that French Kissing and your dog training are the same -
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So I guess you guys think that French kissing is gross too? Maybe the dog deserves better? I consulted with your wives. They would rather swap spit with the dog.

Saying you consulted my wife and referencing your training methods don't register well with me.
I was trying to be humerous. I'm sorry if it offended you. You, on the other hand, weren't trying to be humerous when you practically accused me of sticking my tongue down my dog's throut. That's "sick" and "disgusting".
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Fair enough... Move along people, nothing to see here
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We've all had enough of the jousting and rude comments here. I think that's a good place to end this "discussion".
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