Multnomah County to issue Gay Marrage License

pdxkevin · 03-02-2004, 03:49 PM

Tomorrow... Wed 3MAR04

PORTLAND, ORE. - It has happened in Massachusetts, San Francisco and now it's happening in Portland.

The Multnomah County Clerk's office plans to issue marriage licenses for same-sex couples starting tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. at their office located at 501 S.E. Hawthorne.

Taking a look at Oregon's marriage law, it states that marriage is a civil contract entered between males who are at least 17 years old and females who are at least 17 years old.... more here

Poll: Do you approve of the plan?

HeavyMetal BankFisherman · 03-02-2004, 04:00 PM

As my tongue bleeds I am without words.

Cool Texan · 03-02-2004, 04:06 PM

Next thing ya know we'll be letting women vote!

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CATCH AND EAT · 03-02-2004, 04:14 PM

A very sad and immoral day for our city. :depressed: Vera you stink. [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img] My tongue also bleeds as I now bite it so I don't say anything more and be labeled immature. [img]graemlins/icon_argue.gif[/img]

pdxkevin · 03-02-2004, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cool Texan:
Next thing ya know we'll be letting women vote!

Not even close to the same thing...

Pyramid · 03-02-2004, 04:19 PM

That's NOT right! [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img]

Cool Texan · 03-02-2004, 04:20 PM

Kev, it was a joke.

Thumper · 03-02-2004, 04:32 PM

Woooooo. People are very serious about this. [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img]

Lwagg2 · 03-02-2004, 04:33 PM

No matter weather your for this or against it you have to realize that these are people that just choose a different way of life, I am personally not in support of marriage of the same sex, but just as some people choose not to hunt or fish, these people choose not to fall in love with the opposite sex. This is AMERICA and with that we have freedom and that freedom states they can make their own choices.

Cool Texan · 03-02-2004, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lwagg2:
No matter weather your for this or against it you have to realize that these are people that just choose a different way of life, I am personally not in support of marriage of the same sex, but just as some people choose not to hunt or fish, these people choose not to fall in love with the opposite sex. This is AMERICA and with that we have freedom and that freedom states they can make their own choices.

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HOGGEMIN · 03-02-2004, 04:49 PM

At least they can't breed, and when they get to the purley gates they will be sent to HELL for, God will not forgive you for going against his ways. Thats why it was Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

Chromaflage · 03-02-2004, 05:01 PM

Well, it appears that Vera's legacy will overshadow Bubba's. Tomorrow at 10:00, I'll be standing under a doorway, awaiting the "big one."

ORS

[ 03-02-2004, 06:05 PM: Message edited by: OregonRedside ]

HeavyMetal BankFisherman · 03-02-2004, 05:03 PM

The Hawthorne office is where this is taking place. I am thinking about executing my contitutional right to assemble. I have been working the phones and a few of us are contemplating picketing outside. But none of us wants to put ourselves out in the limelight. It may be a media circus. I prefer obscurity and don't want to risk the chance of having my face on the nightly news.

So I will most likely fume from a distance.

HeavyMetal BankFisherman · 03-02-2004, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HOGGEMIN:
At least they can't breed, and when they get to the purley gates they will be sent to HELL for, God will not forgive you for going against his ways. Thats why it was Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

Adoption?

lost_sailor · 03-02-2004, 05:16 PM

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cool!

Unlike you macho righteous dudes, I admit I have gay friends and relatives ...

we shall overcome, some day

Quote:

Originally posted by lwagg2:
... these people choose not to fall in love with the opposite sex. ...

REALLY? Do you recall the moment you made your "choice" ... 'cause I really don't recall that point in my life where I declared my heterosexuality. Pretty sure I was born that way.

[ 03-02-2004, 06:19 PM: Message edited by: lost_sailor ]

Silver Eagle · 03-02-2004, 05:29 PM

I think its Sick, but that is my 2 cents.......

k9jeff · 03-02-2004, 05:33 PM

It's wrong, totaly wrong.

jokester · 03-02-2004, 05:36 PM

Not a good thing....

I for one am not too happy about this

-jokester

TheRogue · 03-02-2004, 05:44 PM

Well, as soon as they start forcing me to like men instead of women, I'll start to worry about it!!

Otherwise, it's a free country.

Rather see it called something else besides marriage, like civil union. :whazzup:

TR

HeavyMetal BankFisherman · 03-02-2004, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lost_sailor:
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cool!

Unlike you macho righteous dudes, I admit I have gay friends and relatives ...

we shall overcome, some day

I know plenty of people that are gay. I interact with them without any problem. It never even crosses my mind. I can't say that I would call them good friends. But with the numbers out there. You have to interact daily with those of that persuasion.

I live in Portland Oregon. That is the reality in this part of the country. After San Fransisco, Portland has got to be the undisputed second most openly gay city in America.

What has happened in the last ten years? Vera Katz.

But this is not about people being gay.

This is about marriage and what the standards are for two people deciding to become married.

I think one requirement for a legal marriage should be the ability to procreate. And we all know that that takes a Man and a Women.

We are taking one more step down the moral ladder when we should be taking steps up.

Twenty years from now if not checked, the decay of the moral fabric from which this country was built will destroy us.

1 Smart Fish · 03-02-2004, 06:06 PM

Good for them :smile: If they want to get married let them :smile: It is nobodys business but there own.

"TO EACH MAN HIS OWN"

[ 03-02-2004, 07:09 PM: Message edited by: 1 Smart Fish ]

R Jackson · 03-02-2004, 06:07 PM

Why do you guys keep blaiming Vera?

She's the Mayor of Portland, not a Multnomah County Commissioner.

1 Smart Fish · 03-02-2004, 06:11 PM

They blame her because she is a democrate and not a republican.

R Jackson · 03-02-2004, 06:15 PM

That might be part of it, One Smart Fish. :tongue:

happybrew · 03-02-2004, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Thumper:
Woooooo. People are very serious about this. [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img]

And rightly so.

Chromaflage · 03-02-2004, 06:16 PM

Nope - I personally blame Vera because she does have a lot of influence over the county administration. Without a doubt, she probably had more to do with this than the Commissioner.

R Jackson · 03-02-2004, 06:23 PM

ORS, you realize that county and city governments are independent of each other, don't you?

happybrew · 03-02-2004, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheRogue:
Well, as soon as they start forcing me to like men instead of women, I'll start to worry about it!!

Well, then you better start worrying about it. My wife had a friend who was in the Womyn's Studies program at the U of O. They convinced her that heterosexuality was unnatural and oppressive to womyn. So she declared that she was bi, and set about determined to have a relationship with a womyn. Guess what: she just couldn't go through with it, no matter how hard she tried. Why? Because she's not that way, no matter what the womyn's studies program did to convince her that no womyn are really heterosexual. We started calling her a closet heterosexual. Yes, you better start worrying. The whole thing with football players patting each other on the rear is just a start to get us conditioned to it. :grin:

happybrew

Mad Mikey · 03-02-2004, 06:27 PM

I'm just suprised that PDX let SF beat them to it. [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img]

steelhead_fishn · 03-02-2004, 06:29 PM

As long as local and state goverment, as well as employers recognize and give breaks/benefits to married people, then ANY two people should be able to marry. It's simply not right to limit the members that can receive a benefit or break because of their religion, sex, race, sexual preference, blah blah blah.

Anyone that pay's tax's in the this country, deserves the same rights as every other taxpayer. As it is today marriage is no longer a religious institution, it's a civil agreement. This agreement, and opportunity to reap the benefits, should extend to any american citizen. An institution should not force a citizen of this country to be of certain religious sect to take advantage of any benefit or break.

Jeff

2LEYS · 03-02-2004, 06:30 PM

We are supposed to be taolerant of it. I am for the most part. I will never accept ti. And I for one do not want the Government to support it. Let them live together and whatever but I DO NOT want them to change our laws that have been around for thousands of years. Like it or not it is a perversion that society has chosen to accept. I do not want the government to say it is OK.

Chromaflage · 03-02-2004, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by R Jackson:
ORS, you realize that county and city governments are independent of each other, don't you?

Of course. But do you really think either entity exists and functions totally independent of the other. That's a tough pill to swallow - you'll never convince me of that one.

R Jackson · 03-02-2004, 06:36 PM

So Vera hatched this plan and then convinced the County Commissioners to take the heat for it?

steelhead_fishn · 03-02-2004, 06:38 PM

2LEYS,

Marriage should be dissolved as a legal union, and go back to being a religious ceremony. Civil unions should be the contract under anything that currently uses marriage as a basis can have.

This would solve all of our problems. It would allow the gay people of america to enjoy the same rights that any other citizen has, and it would allow the right wing folks to feel like the sanctity of their marriage ceremony has not been violated. As it currently stands same sex partners do not get to file jointly, nor can they receive one another's benefits for most employers.

I'm not a fan of gay marriage, but I am a fan of a non-authoritarian free america where equality truly exists. Forcing someone to perform a religious ceremony to receive tax breaks and healthcare benefits seems to be problematic due to our seperation of church and state agreement.

kamloops · 03-02-2004, 06:38 PM

Comrads,
Have you forgot your reading, family and religion are frowned upon.
In Seattle we have a statue of Lenin, in Portland
you have gay marriage. God help us all.

Chromaflage · 03-02-2004, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Luthian:
As long as local and state goverment, as well as employers recognize and give breaks/benefits to married people, then ANY two people should be able to marry. It's simply not right to limit the members that can receive a benefit or break because of their religion, sex, race, sexual preference, blah blah blah.

Anyone that pay's tax's in the this country, deserves the same rights as every other taxpayer. As it is today marriage is no longer a religious institution, it's a civil agreement. This agreement, and opportunity to reap the benefits, should extend to any american citizen. An institution should not force a citizen of this country to be of certain religious sect to take advantage of any benefit or break.
Jeff

Man, this is a slippery slope. So, if I understand you correctly, if two elderly widows, who are not homosexual, decide to share a residence, you advocate them applying for a "civil union" so that they could receive the same benefits as a "married" couple? How far are we willing to take this? What about a couple colleg guys sharing an apartment? You're going to have people getting married all over the place just for the so called "benefits." Then when they feel like it, they'll just get a divorce and go on with their lives. The divorce rate will sky rocket! Further, you think we have budget problems now....holy smokes - this is a can of worms that should not even be "cracked" open.

ORS

HeavyMetal BankFisherman · 03-02-2004, 06:43 PM

With my remark regarding the ability to procreate, being criteria for a marriage. I did not take into account the many loving Male - Female married couples out there that are unable to have children for one reason or the other. A better way to phrase it would be to say a biologically compatible pair.

Chromaflage · 03-02-2004, 06:44 PM

HMBF - [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

Chromaflage · 03-02-2004, 06:47 PM

Sodom and Gomorrah

I'm outta here...

Snapset · 03-02-2004, 06:49 PM

Sometimes it seems like I live in an entirely different state. Then I go to Corvallis. If Multnomah Co. did it, Benton Co. is probably not far behind.

It is like San Fran is the BIG DOG, Portland is the Medium sized dog imitating San Fran, and Corvallis is the little tiny yapping dog trying sooo hard to keep up, as they all go racing onto the busy highway.

SPAZZ · 03-02-2004, 06:50 PM

This is one subject that I'll keep my .02 to myself. Because I know I would offend sombody. [img]graemlins/lurk.gif[/img]

Fish Tales · 03-02-2004, 06:53 PM

Multnomah county what a sinkhole

I think an initiative petetion is in order

C-lice · 03-02-2004, 06:55 PM

I would hate to see the ability to procreate set as a prerequisite to marry. Does this mean that no post-menopausal woman can marry? Can no post-vasectomy man marry?

I personally have, as George Costanza said, "an unblemished record of staunch heterosexuality". I find the physiology of homosexual relationships to be repugnant. I cannot imagine looking at any man in "that" way.

That being said I am sure that there are people who find chewing Conenhagen to be a disgusting habit. Have they the right to limit me? Closer to home, we all know that there are thousands that find hunting and fishing to be immoral. Have they the right to limit us?

The government has no business in my bedroom. If I choose to have a relationship with another consenting adult, it is our business. Nobody else's.

Condemnation for homosexuality? Please. The same old testament that delineates that also states that children can be sold as slaves. That nearsighted people cannot enter a church. That many kinds of seafood cannot be eaten ( :shocked: ) and that you must keep a paddle in camp with your sword so you can dig a hole to poop in.

Heterosexual couples have insurance, pension, etc. benefits. Why shouldn't homosexuals?

Most importantly, as long as you personally are not forced to participate in a homosexual relationship, IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!

Eric W. · 03-02-2004, 06:58 PM

It's about time that these people can "partener" with whom ever they want. Because I have been thinking about getting married to my SISTER. If she turns me down, there is always marriege to my MOM. Or possible my DOG. Or even my BOAT. You can't stop me!!!! Because if we love each other then we should be able to get married.

Keep it simple! Man + Women = marriage

If men and men get married, whats next?

Fish Tales · 03-02-2004, 07:04 PM

If we continue down this road the end result will be religous martyrs God denounced the end of any morality and a lost society

C-lice · 03-02-2004, 07:05 PM

Man plus women? [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img]

HeavyMetal BankFisherman · 03-02-2004, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OregonRedside:
Sodom and Gomorrah

I'm outta here...

That reality seems closer and closer.

kamloops · 03-02-2004, 07:15 PM

What keeps my sanity is remembering that about 60miles due east of both Portland and Seattle is a little mountain range they call the Cascades.
This barrier and the Siskyous South(spelling) and to a lesser degree the Rocky Mountains somewhat insulate the Pacific Northwest from the rest of the United States. For about 3000 miles across the Planes and Midwest I am quite certain that people pale with the mere suggestion of two Men or Women marrying. Northeast Coast excluded.
Yes Alice, there is life out of Oregon and Western Washington.

03-02-2004, 07:17 PM

This isn't a big surprise to me,

heck they voted in a local income tax

... how smart could they be?

Cool Texan · 03-02-2004, 08:24 PM

Keta...

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Kentucky Hog Hunter · 03-02-2004, 08:36 PM

This is all due to the Liberal Mutnomah County agenda...as well as Mayor Katz and her immoral values [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img]

Again...morals are everything in my book and I am ashamed that a state I live in would support such immoral values...

The institution of marriage is being shamed in our own community...

This really is sad

....

pdxkevin · 03-02-2004, 08:41 PM

It was said that the US would fall from enemies within.

lost_sailor · 03-02-2004, 08:48 PM

marryin' your boat, now there's something we could agree on!

Dang, this is fun! Congratulations on a fairly polite argument of such a volatile issue.

I think the whole idea is to have "same-sex marriage" tested in the courts, and well, the sooner the better - let's get it over with.

Live by my personal beliefs or suffer eternally!

WaterDog · 03-02-2004, 09:11 PM

I'm no longer amazed at how judgemental some folks can be anymore. :depressed: I guess it's ok to force your beliefs on someone else under the guise of morality and God.

[img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img] Last time I checked we are all human. We are all people.

<sigh>

True · 03-02-2004, 09:21 PM

Wasn't there a time in the not too distant past where religious leaders and government officials also said that it was not right for different races to procreate? I see that's not too far from this argument.

Granted, couples aren't procreating but if two people love and care for each other regardless if they are the same sex or not what is wrong with that? So long as they don't openly flaunt it (nor should heterosexuals for that matter), what's the big deal?

Adam and Steve? C'mon now, people!

Does religion now determine how we run government or the choices that some people choose to make?

If you saw an African-American, a Hispanic or an Asian holding hands with an Anglo woman would that hurt your feelings? Get in touch with your personal inadequacies and move on! Many in power said that it was against their "religion" to do such a thing. My, how things have changed... maybe.

True

Bigots, homophobes and racists need not reply...

andy-ap emerger · 03-02-2004, 09:24 PM

I'm not religious. I believe in evolution.
We all have the tools and opportunity to pro-create. Marriage recognizes this & awards it.
If you cannot pro-create, THERE'S A FREAKING REASON!

YES, YES, YES, LOVE LOVE LOVE. You & I can all love. But...For evolutions sake, IF YOU CANNOT BREED, THERE'S A REASON!
Think I'm wrong? Ask Darwin. Better yet, ask a dinosaur. Why bring in "feelings" & "emotions" into legislation.

Gang, you can love whom ever you want. Have sex any way under the sun you find neat. Love is great & beautiful. But honestly, If two women or two men can't make a baby, why is that?

-Go Team Darwin

True · 03-02-2004, 09:31 PM

So, AP. You're saying that two people that love each other, even thought they can't procreate, shouldn't be able to protect each other financially or some in some other form?

What if they should choose to adopt a small child or infant from an impoverished country? Is it best that they don't give this child love and nurturing because they can't procreate?

Curiosity's killing this cat...

True

Straydog · 03-02-2004, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by R Jackson:
Why do you guys keep blaiming Vera?

She's the Mayor of Portland, not a Multnomah County Commissioner.

Cuz Lars says so! What more do they need to know??

By the way, have you heard the new theme song for Southern Oregon University?

With apologies to the late Johnny Cash..........

"...... don't take you gun to town Lars.
Leave your gun at home Lars.
Don't take you gun to town........"

[ 03-02-2004, 10:38 PM: Message edited by: Straydog ]

C-lice · 03-02-2004, 09:39 PM

Really, could those opposed to gay marriages POSSIBLY make more of a mountain out of a molehill? If the gay couple living down the street from you has a marriage license on their wall in addition to, say, a photo that they took together on a vacation, how is that any skin off your nose?

andy-ap emerger · 03-02-2004, 09:42 PM

Get out...Such curiosities may be killing more than a cat. Yes, oh so obvious. My business partner is gay. My brother is gay. Whoopdie freaking doo! I know & love them both dearly. Toss the homophobia theory out the door with someone clinging to the King James Bible. I only know of one gay couple close to me in my circle of friends who've actually went through the hell of adoption. Get this, their daughter is a paxil gobblin' counselor hoarding depressed F R E A K ! Okay, could be a fluke. It could happen to a couple who bred like nature intended. Oh wait, did that "offend" you? To breed "like nature intended?" I bet it did. If so, let me apologize for hurting your feelings. Once again, I believe in evolution. IF YOU CANNOT BREED, WHY IS THAT?
211 million years cannot be wrong.

You got the wrong guy my man!
Best of luck [img]graemlins/eek13.gif[/img]