10 seconds to kidnap an 11 year old

id. painter · 02-09-2004, 10:50 AM

I still cant get over the footage of that little girl being taken to her death last week.
i have an 11 year old son and a beautyful 5 year old daughter.
My daughter is blond and just as sweet as she can be.
I tell her about the bad people who may want to hurt her or kidnap her . I tell her that she shouldnt go to a stranger EVER.
BUT, watching that sicko grab hold of the girls arm and walk her away to kill her has me really creeped. This girl was 11.
I know it is the exception rather than the rule but ,,, it sure seems like we spend more and more time hearing these stories.
What in the HE double tooth picks is going on . Will society ever face this growing trend and try to reduce the numbers of people who will prey on young children. Why is it getting to be such a phenom. in our society ?.. Is the occurance rate climbing in the other parts of the world , like it is here? im really bothered by this . I just cant comprehend it .Where will it end ? :whazzup: id. painter

FallRiverGuy · 02-09-2004, 12:02 PM

It does seem to be getting worse. I think my family lives in a safe place but I worry constantly about my 12 yr old daughter. How sad that we have to educate our kids in such a way to protect themselves.

I do not watch the enough world news to know if this is a problem only with the US, but it would not surprise me if it were. I just finished reading a book call "Reviving Ophelia." It is about saving adolescent girls from the pitfalls of our current society. Many social disorders such as anorexia are much more pronounced in the US. As much as women are "liberated" in the US, they are still objectified daily. The barrage of garbage spewed out from all facets of the media, just to name one, is making us a sick people.

raider6 · 02-09-2004, 12:09 PM

didn't some judge let this guy walk free a little while before this incident?

id. painter · 02-09-2004, 12:25 PM

Yes and his justification was that he was doing what the laws told him to do .I believe him. I feel for this judge . He has gotten death threats from angry people who found out who he is. I can only put blame on society in general and not the judge .
The laws are a big part of the problem . We have tried to be humanistic . Every one can be reformed or fixed .And it just isnt true.
id. painter.

happybrew · 02-09-2004, 04:32 PM

FallRiverGuy: Amen!!

I hate the messages our culture puts out about women. They are valuable human beings, not objects. The clothing marketed to them, TV shows, music, etc. tell them that their primary value is in how they look and how they can attract a guy, and it's just plain wrong. There is a huge market for chaste clothing and better cultural icons, but unfortunately it's just not produced like the garbage is. It's unfortunate.

When I'm on fishing trips, and I need to do something like go to the bathroom and can't see my kids, they are locked in the car until I'm done. When shopping, they're instructed to remain where I can see them, very closely at all times. We know who they are with at all times, and its either with a parent or someone we trust very well. And it's exceedingly difficult to gain our trust.

happybrew

HeavyMetal BankFisherman · 02-09-2004, 05:52 PM

This particular story really bothered me. The video showing the abduction really got to me. I see that video and it makes wish I were there to stop it. But we are left powerless to do anything. If only that young girl had known what to do. Maybe if she had kicked, screamed, and ran the outcome would have been different. This predator has done this before and gotten away. He overpowered a grown woman so most likely he would have done the same. I wonder what else this guy has been up to. They most likely will link this scumbag to other crimes.

I don't have any children but I have two beautiful nieces, 9 and 12. I have difficulty understanding how anyone could even think to harm them. But there are those who would.

This problem needs to be fixed. Predators should get no second chances.

TundraIII · 02-09-2004, 11:14 PM

The other sad thing is, the girl apparently barely uttered a peep. She was shocked at whatever the man said and went with him with barely a struggle. Parents need to educate their kids on what to do in this kind of situation. After this happened I asked my 12 yr old if he had heard about the little girl being kidnapped and killed and he said "no". As sad and scary a story as it is, I went ahead and described the whole thing to him. I then told him that if any stranger or even someone he kinda knows was to grab him against his will and try to take him somewhere that he was to start kicking and making a bunch of noise, run if possible, EVEN if the perpatrator was threatening his life. I told him that if a stranger was going to try and force him into a car at gunpoint/knifepoint, that chances are pretty good he is going to kill you anyway and that the possibility for survival is better when you are in a public place. Somehow you have to teach your kids that in some cases its ok to disobey an adult.

I am a big believer in the death penalty. It needs
to be used against people who commit crimes against
kids.

id. painter · 02-09-2004, 11:50 PM

Tundra three. Yah ,,, Dont let them get a second chance. I have to agree.
This just bothers the heck out of me. Why the increase ? Or is it just a precieved increase , and not real."We just hear about it more" is what Im told .
Im worried for society. id. painter

id. painter · 02-10-2004, 06:21 AM

Last night i watched some of the Orielly factor and Bill is going after the judge who let this psycho out into society .
Acording to the bill the Judge has done this twice. He let another guy go and he killed a woman.
So this is the second time this particular judge has had one of these criminals kill someone.
O'reilly is after the judge .
Interesting . id. painter

02-10-2004, 06:33 AM

How about a "Three Strikes" for judges?

When will the liberals in the legal system learn that you can't baby or rehabilitate most criminals? How many children will die because of their wrong thinking?

Pyramid · 02-10-2004, 07:43 AM

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Originally posted by Keta:
How about a "Three Strikes" for judges?

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id. painter · 02-10-2004, 07:56 AM

Any one who is a parent must be disturbe by this.
That is the absolute worst nightmare for any parent.

The idea that we had this guy in custody several times and he still gets to kill a beautyful 11 year old. Blows my mind... Why do we protect and free those who have proven themselves unworthy.
Last evening Bill O. said that he was going to go after this judge ..and not let up. I believe he will . id. painter

SafetyChain · 02-10-2004, 08:11 AM

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When will the liberals in the legal system learn that you can't baby or rehabilitate most criminals? How many children will die because of their wrong thinking?

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I would take it one step further and ask...

When will God be allowed back into our country?

God is not allowed to roam free but child killers are? :whazzup:

Radke · 02-10-2004, 08:48 AM

SC

What does God have to do with this?

If the addition of religion had anything to do with preventing perverts, the whole thing about the Catholic church would have never happened.

You don't have to be religious to be moral, and being religious doesn't make you moral.

Sorry, just a sensative issue with me.

SafetyChain · 02-10-2004, 09:19 AM

Morality refers to a code of conduct put forward by a society or some other group, such as a religion.

Moral codes are often complex statements of right and wrong. Although some people might think that the moral code is simple, rarely is anything simple about one's morals or ethics or for that matter judgment of other morals. The difficulty lies in the fact that morales are often part of a religion and more often then not about culture codes, e.g. **** morality.

A common version of a moral code is a legal code which states the penalties or corrective actions associated with any particular act (note that many of the legal codes are built on a foundaton of religion).

In some cultures, the relationship between moral and legal codes are often absolute - they're one and the same.

I would be willing to bet that your morality as is the morality of our country/society, is based in the concepts set forth by the Ten Commandments, which is from God.

When you begin to reject God, which seems to be the case in our country, you begin to blur what is moral because the basis for your morality no longer has emphasis.

BTW- It was not my intention to get into a theological discussion. We can do that via PM or another thread (which I doubt the mods would care for). I only wanted to repond to the original post question of

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Why is it getting to be such a phenom. in our society

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id. painter · 02-10-2004, 10:14 AM

SafetyChain. I understand , and would tend to agree. But,,,,,,
What about a society like Russia? They have been without the connection to God for many years .
Is that society producing these guys at the same rate as the U.S.? Is it worse or better in Russia?
Im not arguing, I dont know the answer to my question .
What is it in this society that is producing so many very sick people. ?
For me the lack of faith seems too easy and a bit too simple. id. painter

02-10-2004, 10:19 AM

Its lack of consequences for your actions and the <petunias> that the entertainment industry is shoving down our throats.

This and Liberal judges an lawyers.

SafetyChain · 02-10-2004, 10:28 AM

i.d.,
RE: Russia, that is why I referenced **** morality. While I am sure it was wrong to kill kids, it was ok to kill Jews

. I also said "A common version of a moral code is a legal code which states the penalties or corrective actions associated with any particular act."

RE: simplicity, IMHO it is that simple. Kind of a forest for the trees scenario.

FallRiverGuy · 02-10-2004, 10:34 AM

id. painter,

I think it is almost as simple as you are what you eat. Just look at what we as a society in general surround ourselves with. As I alluded to in my above post look at what we are bombarded with thru the media. They try to tell us who and what we are. Our kids are very susceptible to this and the more time they spend in front of the TV the more the media defines them. We are a society that has become lost to the fact that we need community. Who is raising our children? We only get three channels at our house and the one that comes in best is PBS. Still my wife and I have to fight the per pressure of friends at school trying to tell our daughter what is important.

There are so many things that are wrong. The media is not the only problem but it is a big one I think. There is a general lack of respect for other people. It just seems like we have lost our way. The important aspects of being human have been lost. Things and the pursuit of things has become our passion.

Tuff question and I am sure the answer is multifaceted.

id. painter · 02-10-2004, 10:40 AM

O.K.. Its all wrapped up together. I also tend to agree with Keta . Media ,, is bigger and has more impact than anyone wants admit.
My wife falls for the liberal mentality often, because it sounds so nice , warm and fuzzy. id. painter

Chrome Bumper · 02-10-2004, 12:08 PM

Depressing video for sure, I hope he gets executed.