Licence and tag fee's

[glassblower]

I was going to purchace my licence and tags today, I knew they had went up but? I do not think the cost is quite justifiable considering how little I actually get to go fishing, and how few I even tag a year. The told me the total and I did not even have that amount on me, so I turned and walked out. I do not think I will be fishing this year, the fee's are just to much I think. I may be listing allot of gear for sale soon. I was just kinda curious how everyone else feels about the hike on the fee's?

Fishing licence; $24.95
Salmon & Steelhead tag; $20.50
Shellfish licence; $5.00
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Total; $50.45

Outrageous!!!

Plus the boat tags doubled.

[Snapset]

I don't mind the price of the License and Tag, but you don't want to hear my opinion of the shellfish license. I have already beat that horse to death too many times in other threads.

[MasterCaster]

Sry you feel that way. Its upsetting that anyone has to stop doing something they enjoy because it cost too much. Although just like any other sport you have to "pay to play" so to speak.

Maybe you just need to get out and fish/catch more to make it "justifiable". :grin:

If you do get it and fish the Tillamook area rivers or the mid Willy I would be happy to TRY and help get you into a few more fish!

Hate to see anyone give up on fishing cause of the cost. :whazzup:

Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

[Flatfish]

It sucks. But, you have a choice....

1- Sit on the couch and watch "Bowling for dollars".

2- Cough up the money, and fish.

My combo lic, sturg/hali/salmon tag, a shellfish lic, and a hatchery tag went 83 bucks. Add another 20 bucks for big game applications. And another say 50 a year on big game tags and bird stamps.

I am not real happy about the costs. But it beats the alternative for me.

Mark and the dog.

[Old Coot]

One chinook dressed out at 20 pounds. Store price at $4.99 a pound = $99.80.

And, for the half of that price that a license costs, you get the fun of catching it, too.

[ORoutdoorsman]

I agree. But don't go sellin all of your stuff until you have thought it over. You may change your mind, and it would be a shame to lose a fellow fisherman.

[Dipnet]

You need to get out more!! If you fish 50 days a year, it's only costing you $1 a day!!!

Dipnet :grin:

[skrimmy]

It's a small price when you consider how much you spend in the course of a year on all the outings. Gear, boat, bait, gas etc.

And don't forget the large number of anglers who rallied for and supported an increase in fees last year in an effort to keep hatcheries open. So, in the grand scheme of things, it was a small price to pay.

[glassblower]

Originally posted by MasterCaster:
Sry you feel that way. Its upsetting that anyone has to stop doing something they enjoy because it cost too much. Although just like any other sport you have to "pay to play" so to speak.

Maybe you just need to get out and fish/catch more to make it "justifiable". :grin:

If you do get it and fish the Tillamook area rivers or the mid Willy I would be happy to TRY and help get you into a few more fish!

Hate to see anyone give up on fishing cause of the cost. :whazzup:

Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Big problem is when your income is already paycheck to paycheck just to make it and get by, and every trip you have to pay out the? well you get my point. I just do not know if I can afford to bother going anymore. Gas alone kills me getting there, then the gear you loose etc. It just never seems to end. And anouther reason I never get to go much is I have 3 kids 2, 3, 7 y/o I have to watch 5 days a week cause my wife works full time and then some, and we can not afford daycare, Tto make it worse I am currantly unemployed so money is even tighter. Maybe I should take up sewing?

[Dipnet]

Sorry Glassblower, I didn't mean to sound insensitive, just needed to hear the rest of the story. :blush:

Dipnet :grin:

[Sturgeon]

Glassblower, i feel your pain. Why are fee's increasing so much?????? seems like everyone wants to enjoy the GREAT outdoors these days.I feel that for the impacts that I have on nature I should pay a fee, maybe not an increase of this porportion but a fee none the less.. From boating the rivers to accessing the forest. I feel that it is our privilage not right to use these resources and we should all do our part to help and restore/enhance what we use. God knows we cannot ultimately replace it all but with these fee's we can limit the impact society has on nature. Hope you dont become a couch tader cause you wont pay the fee. Just remember you play a part in degridation and for a minimal cost you get to do it daily.

[glassblower]

Originally posted by Dipnet:
Sorry Glassblower, I didn't mean to sound insensitive, just needed to hear the rest of the story. :blush:

Dipnet :grin:

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Not a big deal really. Just the costs of living are getting to me I think. Like for instance my father is on SSI and he just a cost of living raise of $11.00 a month, at the same time they raised the cost of two of his insurances, one went up by $7.00 a month the other by $14.00 a month. So much my his raise huh. And beleive me his SSI does not amount to much to begine with. I personaly think that the state is making more than enough money, they just need to quit wasting it all and then thinking they can soak us for more to fix their mistakes. Just my opinon.

[MasterCaster]

Big problem is when your income is already paycheck to paycheck just to make it and get by

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Thats a BIG 10-4 I know exactly what thats all about as Im usually in the same position.

My offer is sincere and still stands if in fact you do buy it later on. Didnt mean any harm with my post.


Jon :smile: :grin: :smile:

[jokester]

One chinook dressed out at 20 pounds. Store price at $4.99 a pound = $99.80.

And, for the half of that price that a license costs, you get the fun of catching it, too.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">My thoughts exactly!! You beat me to it! Even if you only tag 3-4 fish per year, that still more than justifies the cost of the license.

-jokester

[glassblower]

Sturgeon

I fully aggree that we should be paying a fee to support our great sport. I just do not think it should be such a high fee. It is already very expensive just to make a trip to the river. A round trip for me to Tillamook is around 140 miles (not including all the miles trying to find a rock to stand on), do that 2 times a week at 10 mpg in my F-250 and your dead broke. My average day of fishing costs me about $60.00 and I can buy Salmon for about $20.00 a pop at the guideshop (or a place next to it maybe) shop when the run is on, I know this because that is how my father gets his since he is no longer able to fish due to health. I taged 3 fish this year, I figure I got about 90Lbs of fish (before cleaning them) and they cost me over $400.00 this year, not really worth it when I could have bought 3 fish for $60.00 . I am also not real big on the high presure crowds and I tend to go where there are less fish just to be able to fish in peace, the elbow to elbow combat fishing is just not for me. There are more and more people every year fishing, and less places to fish it seems. For me adding up the pro's and con's, the pro's are on the light side of ther scale these days.

[ 01-01-2004, 11:10 PM: Message edited by: glassblower ]

[glassblower]

Guys just so you all know, I do not feel that any of you are saying anything bad at all, we all have our thoughts on the whole scene and thats all cool. I know allot of you guys are in the same boat that I am. Some of you are locals in the Tillamook area (I wish I was, but there is really not much work there) and that would make going fishing allot more, much easyer. If I lived less than 10 miles from the fish $50.00 would seem like nothing, but thats not the case. The only local fishing for me is a badly polluted trout pond that is only 5 feet deep. And the "hatchery" fish they put into it are not worth eating. Right now it is stocked with old spawned out black and covered with sore's steelhead "yuck" and I am serious these things are almost dead when they put them in. Is that the kind of resourses we should expect to see put out for what we spend to fish? that really turns me off because that is where I take my little kids to fish (and when they catch one they want to eat it) and I can not feed that to my children, it is just sick and wrong that they even put those out for people to catch and eat. I caught one a few years ago at the old pond that was recently closed (to be made into a sewege lagoon) and its gills were full of worms that looked like maggots. And they do put allot of good smaller trout in the pond also, both rainbows and brook trout, but like I said it is polluted and the city just recenlty opend it up as a new fishing pond knowing very well that it was polluted. The pond is an old mill log pond that was used from the 30's to the 70's so only God really knows what all was dumped into it. We have some nice rivers down here also, but there are no resorces set aside for these rivers and they are no longer even open to fishing, Willamina creek has both steelhead and trout but it is closed to fishing, it used to be stocked years ago but it no longer is. the majority of the resorces seem to be going into very few rivers, mostly right on the coast. Maybe I am wrong, but I know as a kid we could catch trout and steelhead on any river around here, not anymore, they are either closed to fishing or have no fish in them. So we are forced to head to the coastal river systems to get fish. And it is just to costly to go there all the time. If I lived in Tillamook I would most likely be pretty happy with how the resorces are used since a very large amount of them go into that system. There are allot of rivers that could have a great amount of fish in them, but no resorces are spent on them. I used to really enjoy fishing Willamina creek just becase it was so close to home I could go every night after school as a kid, then it became every night after work. Now it is closed, and the two closest rivers are the Salmon, and the Big Nestuca, min 35 miles away, 70 miles round trip. Man I am starting to babble, someone please tell me to shut up (really it's ok, just do it). Either my sence of humor is coming back to me or the buckles on the back of my coat are to tight, lol.

[ORoutdoorsman]

Just so you know you are not alone, I rigged up my pole and some more hooks for my pips. I went to bed early(11:30 which is early for me), set the alarm for 6 am with the intent of getting up and hookin into some steelies, and then woke got up out of bed just after 12, turned my alarm off and hopped on to ifish cause I dont need to get up early...I remembered I have my combo license, but no tag. And wont be able to afford one until next week. :depressed: So you are not alone on this one!

[glassblower]

Originally posted by ORoutdoorsman:
Just so you know you are not alone, I rigged up my pole and some more hooks for my pips. I went to bed early(11:30 which is early for me), set the alarm for 6 am with the intent of getting up and hookin into some steelies, and then woke got up out of bed just after 12, turned my alarm off and hopped on to ifish cause I dont need to get up early...I remembered I have my combo license, but no tag. And wont be able to afford one until next week. :depressed: So you are not alone on this one!

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">I know what you meen, if I do end up buying them (and my wife says I am) I will have to do one fee every other pay check, so then I miss a full month of the best steelheading. That really burns, even as cold as it is outside. And I know im not alone, half the guys I know are wishing they could go pick them up but do not have the bucks. One of my friends just spent $69.00 on boat tags. I have 2 boats, both smaller than his, but still I think I am looking at like 30 or 40 per boat, not really to sure I need to check on that. One is expired, the other is good till 04.

[ 01-02-2004, 01:04 AM: Message edited by: glassblower ]

[Fish_N_Russ]

If you are only using 'caught fish' as they way to justify expenses, then you will most likely always loose money......unless you are living right on a river/lake/etc. I agree with the prices have gone up quite a bit, but fishing is more than just catching..........you can enjoy nature, have a good time with friends, see some scenic drive, things like that. To some people they wouldnt care about that, and thats fine......but others would value things like that and that somewhat offsets the 'tangible' costs :smile:

[Smj]

glassblower...I feel for ya' man. I have a lag time this time of year, I just make sure I've saved a bit to get me through.

It hasn't been THAT long ago since I also had to scrimp to get my tags. The wife would always insist I got my tags as soon as I had the money, and get hers later. I remember very well what that was like. I'm sure there are a whole lot of people in your position in Oregon.

What's really sad is the people that will have to quite buying the licenses and tags for the teenagers and punchcards for those younger.

glassblower, If you want to read more about how lucky we are to be paying more for everything every year go to the "another fee to suck our wallets dry" topic.

Smj

[sliverslinger]

I know what you can do. Get rid of the F350 and get a hyundai. They get great gas milage. What you save in gas will buy your tags and license. I know times are tough but a person has got to do what they got to do and that is to: GO FISHING! lol.
Guys I know who glassblower is and I am just playing with him. Dont take this too seriously.

[SalmonJeff]

I noticed you didn't include the fee from the teller I got all three the other day and it was $ 52.40. :shocked: I am not sure where all of the moeney is going all I hear is that they are going to close more hatcherys and more rivers so it is all seeming to be a big robbery if you ask me. Imagine everyone you see on the river is throwing down 52.00 and they cant afford a cleaner more reliable hatchery system?

[Luckybill]

glassblower, sent you a P.M.

[glassblower]

Originally posted by sliverslinger2001:
I know what you can do. Get rid of the F350 and get a hyundai. They get great gas milage. What you save in gas will buy your tags and license. I know times are tough but a person has got to do what they got to do and that is to: GO FISHING! lol.
Guys I know who glassblower is and I am just playing with him. Dont take this too seriously.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">We had a Hyundai once, I put 5 transaxels in it in 4 monthes, I will never own anouther one. Besides they sure as heck wont pull a boat.

[Fishalot]

I don't think the cost is that bad, it takes me that much to fill my PU truck up with fuel. It is also a once a year fee so you can start saving for next year right now if need be.
If a person makes the statement that they don't know where the money goes from lic and tag sales, then by all means look into it man .


Fishalot

[ 01-02-2004, 07:19 PM: Message edited by: Fishalot ]

[skeezer]

sports pac $130.00 federal stamp $15.00 around $12.00 a month to hunt or fish the entire year ,12 dollars a month is not bad .set the piggy bank in the bedroom and write on it fishing /hunting fund, DO NOT TOUCH ...... [img]graemlins/idea.gif[/img]

[skeezer]

forgot the shellfish fee of 6.50 so thats only 12.63 a month and you can get crabs too ....

[Wannabe]

I feel blessed. My wife gets me a fishing license every year for Christmas. It's probably one of the most looked forward to gifts of the year. It's my ticket I feel to get out and enjoy what the good Lord has created for us. And even sometimes I catch a fish which is a bonus.
&lt))&gt;&lt;

[freespool]

$50.45 to fish all year is not that bad. Heck I spend that much everytime I go to Fishermans Marine. The bilge pump in my boat costs more than that. I think we have been spoiled here in Oregon with low license fees. If your looking for a cheap hobby try bird watching,boatin and fishin can be expensive.


salmon hugger

[SteelieSteve]

My complaint isn't about the raised fees but the fact that the Governor has taken this money for his d--n general fund when it was meant to be used for ODFW related agendas. No matter how much money the Gov gets from all his increases it's never enough and he still whines about not enough money for education ect. What a loser!

[DanS]

It's dirt cheap.

Hunting and fishing deliver the most bang for your entertainment dollar, by far.

I understand the frustration though. Wait until they charge you multiple fees for the same thing. In WA, you pay an extra fee for your Access Stewardship decal, which "allows" you to park at state boat ramps. But if the boat access is in a state park (Like Schaeffer Park on the Satsop) you get to pay ANOTHER $5/day fee to launch there. Apparently you the state's access "stewardship" only goes so far.

Welcome to the real world where they cut your taxes, and raise your "fees". You didn't REALLY think we'd get our taxes back, did you?

[glassblower]

Originally posted by SteelieSteve:
My complaint isn't about the raised fees but the fact that the Governor has taken this money for his d--n general fund when it was meant to be used for ODFW related agendas. No matter how much money the Gov gets from all his increases it's never enough and he still whines about not enough money for education ect. What a loser!

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">I fully aggree, they need to budget better with what they have and not blow it on un-needed things. Our licence and tag fee's are supposed to go for fish and game managment, a majore amount of it every year get used for non-game fish and non-game animals also, and that is wronge. The money we spend should only go to restoration and managment of what we take and use.

[ 01-03-2004, 11:08 AM: Message edited by: glassblower ]

[Pete]

I think we should get our facts straight. Help me out here.

2003 Oregon Laws Chapter 656 - Relating to licenses for taking shellfish

SECTION 12. ORS 496.303 is amended to read:
496.303. (1) The Fish and Wildlife Account is established in the State Treasury, separate and distinct from the General Fund. All moneys in the account are continuously appropriated to the State Fish and Wildlife Commission. The Fish and Wildlife Account shall consist of the moneys in its various subaccounts and any moneys transferred to the account by the Legislative Assembly. Unless otherwise specified by law, interest earnings on moneys in the account shall be paid into the State Treasury and credited to the State Wildlife Fund.
.... All moneys in the subaccount shall be used
to carry out the provisions of ORS 315.138, 498.306, 498.311, 509.615 and 509.620.

ODFW states:
The $6.50 tag price includes a $1.50 agent fee for every license issued. All revenue collected from the recreational shellfish license will be dedicated to shellfish-related programs operated by the Oregon Department of Agriculture, Oregon State Police and the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife.

The House Revenue Committee issued:
House Measure Summary of Fiscal Impact of Shellfish Fees

Where in the process did the dedicated funds get converted to General Fund use?

[ 01-03-2004, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: Pete ]

[SteelieSteve]

Pete
I am talking about the license and tag increases that have been raised across the board only to be taken by the Governor for the general fund. Not specifically the shellfish tag fee. If you recall right after the raise in fees was approved by Kulongowski(sp) he took this ODFW money for his general fund. Sorry day for Oregon when this man was elected!!! When his tax increase is taken away by the populace he will be back whining about cuts in services and education and deeper cuts in our fisheries programs. Watch out hatcheries there is a nearsighted man in the Governors mansion. He has not fixed any problems in this economy yet but has taxed every possible thing he can. Sorry to vent but this style of policics just fry's my a--.

[Quasimodo the fish killer]

Every govenor since Barbra Roberts has ***** odfw this one is no worse then the last and will probably be no worse then the next one!

The sad thing is one day there will be no budget left for odfw to get raided then what will they do?

I know there are certain funds that cant be touched by the govenor such as, pitman robertson , and corps of engineers funding. I would assume that funds like those are the only thing that odfw really has to opperate with, and the funds from fishing and hunting licences has no bearing on the budgets that odfw is allowed

I could be wrong on that but thats the best I can make of the info allowed to the public

[WaterDog]

I'm still waiting for an answer to Pete's question.

Quasi, CLICK HERE for some general info on the 2003 - 2004 ODFW budget.

[Bobby Ray]

Glassblower,

I took the family out tonight for some ice cream cones and I thought about your post. This is what I came up with, it cost more to take the family out for cones once a month than it is does for a license to fish for a year.

50 bucks a year isn't that bad.
I hope it works out for you.

[The Bad Fish]

fishing license $24.95
salmon steelhead tag $20.50
shellfish tag $6.50

the smile on my wifes face fish or no fish.. :grin:
PRICELESS !!! i dont like fees either but we spend our quality time on the river, and it helps me keep my sanity, , 1 hour at the psychiatrist costs about $150.00 :shocked: alot cheaper for a season fishing license.. kb

[justasillyolgirl]

Do you fish to fill up your freezer? Or do you fish to fill up your soul?

If you're doing it to fill the freezer, you most likely will see it as losing money.
If you're doing it to fill up your soul, then 50 some odd bucks a year is darn cheap.
When something is TRUELY important to me, I find a way to make it happen. Perception is everything.

[glassblower]

First off I do not believe that "all funds collected" are returned to the sport. Ever heard of the general fund? and second at the price we have to pay to go fishing $213.50 for my wife, son, and myself to go. And I have 2 girls that will want to start soon. It is becoming a sport for the wealthy and all others will be staying home watching tv.

[Pete]

Glass blower, if you have some evidence that the fees collected are not spent as required by law, please share what you know. The law says the funds are dedicated.

[glassblower]

Originally posted by BUG_FLICKER:
fishing license $24.95
salmon steelhead tag $20.50
shellfish tag $6.50

the smile on my wifes face fish or no fish.. :grin:
PRICELESS !!! i dont like fees either but we spend our quality time on the river, and it helps me keep my sanity, , 1 hour at the psychiatrist costs about $150.00 :shocked: alot cheaper for a season fishing license.. kb

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">I have been to a shrink, I was worse off when I left than when I walked in. And your right those guys are spendy.