Measure 30 failure

hawgcatcher · 02-04-2004, 07:01 AM

It will be interesting to see what gets cut now. If all the things that they had in the paper are, we are in for trouble.

I can bet that when someone has a crime committed against them and the police say that the perp. is out because of no space, that will get some reaction. Or if the crime lab is so far behind that the cases become "cold cases" and don't get solved.

I wonder if this will affect the hatcheries or Game officers. They always seem to be looking for ways to cut them anyway.

And schools. I wonder what the cost of child care will become to families when the kids are let out a month ahead of normal time. Sports programs get cut and our students will start moving out of state. Our colleges will lose a chance at enticing sports figures to go to our schools. Costs of higher education will probably get higher causing more chance of our bright students going to colleges in other states.

I know there are places to cut costs but no one seems to realize that higher costs for services and equipment cause budgets to go higher. It would be nice to see taxes drop but I wonder if we cut off our noses to spite our faces.

I will be looking closely at the changes and hope for the best. I am a senior citizen and hate taxes too but sometimes they are a necessity.

Fishplay · 02-04-2004, 07:05 AM

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Bigdog · 02-04-2004, 07:22 AM

The money is there, they just need to cut some of the programs we don't need. OLCC, State run car pool. If the state of oregon would hire an outside auditing company and could prove to the public that they need this money, that there is no waste. Then they would get my yes vote for a tax increase. I just read the other day that the state has yet to collect 1.2 billion dollars in debt owed to them. This is my argument Prove to me that there is no waste what so ever and that all other options availible have been exhausted and then I'll vote for an increase in taxes. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

Straydog · 02-04-2004, 07:30 AM

Show me any entity that can boast "no waste'. That is a worthy goal but I bet you would be hard pressed to find any business, non profit or government agency that truly has "no waste'. That is unpractical.

As for uncollected debt two things come to mind. The first being the issue of "uncollectables". Companies write off uncollectable debt everyday. Have you ever heard the term "you can't get blood out of a turnip"? I have, I worked in collections for a time.......

The second thought is, if this is out there and is so seemingly easy to get, why didn't the Legislator take this on during one of 5 special sessions or the regular session when they were telling us they were turning over every rock to find money and cuts?

If nothing else, it will be very interesting as we go forward.

[ 02-04-2004, 08:33 AM: Message edited by: Straydog ]

Bigdog · 02-04-2004, 07:37 AM

Straydog my problem is they've never opened the checking account and let us see for ourselves. Even if there were minimal waste, it would be interesting to see where all of our tax money is going. I'd bet we would all be suprised. :shocked:

Cool Texan · 02-04-2004, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Straydog:
As for uncollected debt two things come to mind. The first being the issue of "uncollectables". Companies write off uncollectable debt everyday. Have you ever heard the term "you can't get blood out of a turnip"? I have, I worked in collections for a time.......

$1.2B is kind of a big write off though.

Lets not start the debate back up again. 30 came up, we voted, we said No. It is not up to the appointed officials to figure out how to fix the problem while still providing services. If they cant, they will be out of a job soon enough and hopefully the next crew can get it done.

Straydog · 02-04-2004, 07:55 AM

CT,

I understand that is a big number and agree we should be going after it. But to think when we are done collecting we are going to end up anywhere near 1.2b is not realistic.

Please don't put forth an attempt to thwart other's discussion of this issue as a preface to your own ideas concerning the debate at hand. Please?

TheRogue · 02-04-2004, 08:18 AM

I just feel sorry for the employees of those agencies and school districts who foolish administrators did NOT factor in the failure of Measure 30 into their financial plans. While I voted "Yes" and I encouraged everyone I knew to vote the same way, I knew it didn't have a snowball's chance in the hot place of passing.

Tigard School District is one of those from what I heard....going to take a pounding now.

TR

Cool Texan · 02-04-2004, 08:24 AM

Why so defensive SD? I was merely commenting on the "write off" notion, when none of us here know what this amount is comprised of. If it is one item, then it is a substantial issue, and therefore not likely to be write off issue.

As for "thwarting" discussions, I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Straydog · 02-04-2004, 08:29 AM

Please tell me what I said that makes me "so defensive"? I offered my opinion in reference to collecting unpaid debt.

Bounty Hunter · 02-04-2004, 08:31 AM

I was not a supporter of Measure 30 nor of Gov K. when I lived in OR, but I have to say that after the results were in last night. KGW reported that he made a very astute statement. I don't remember word for word, but the jist of it was that 'The people of OR have spoken, he would take it to hart, and state officials need to buckle down and make the budget work.'

If he indeed works to follow that goal, then he would gain a few more supporters from my family members in Oregon.

Straydog · 02-04-2004, 08:34 AM

CT,

Thwart: "To prevent from taking place, frustrate"

Your attempt to thwart:

Quote:

Originally posted by Cool Texan:
Lets not start the debate back up again. 30 came up, we voted, we said No.

Which was a preface to your opinion in this ongoing debate:

Quote:

It is not up to the appointed officials to figure out how to fix the problem while still providing services. If they cant, they will be out of a job soon enough and hopefully the next crew can get it done.

By the way, please note I am not making this a personal attack. No accusing you of being "defensive". No head shaking nor eye rolling.

[ 02-04-2004, 09:39 AM: Message edited by: Straydog ]

Bigdog · 02-04-2004, 08:39 AM

Bounty Hunter, I was suprised by what he said to until I remembered what he said to everyone last year after he was elected. I believe it was just after the people spoke for the first time in Jan of 2003. After that I find it hard to believe what he says is true. :depressed:

Straydog · 02-04-2004, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bigdog:
Bounty Hunter, I was suprised by what he said to until I remembered what he said to everyone last year after he was elected. I believe it was just after the people spoke for the first time in Jan of 2003. After that I find it hard to believe what he says is true. :depressed:

He made his dumb "no new taxes" statement before a revenue forcast ended up being about 3b too high. He made is dumb comment based on bad information. Kind of like Bush saying Iraq has WMD's based on bad intelligence. Do you now not trust anything Bush says??? So far, Kulongoski's statment based on bad info has been far less deadly than the Presidents. Can we at least agree to hold them all to the same standards?

Bigdog · 02-04-2004, 08:53 AM

Straydog, I completly agree with you a lie is a lie regaurdless of his or her party affiliation. I have a hard time beleiving anyone after they've stood up and lied to the public. Once you lie your credibility is damaged no matter who you are. AS far as him dealing with a bad revenue forcast, maybe he should have kept his mouth shut until he knew what the facts were and that go's for both of them.

Straydog · 02-04-2004, 09:02 AM

Bigdog,

I totally agree. That is part of the reason why I twice called his statement "dumb".

But again, the same standards should apply to all of our elected officials, clear up to the Presidency.

Otolith · 02-04-2004, 09:08 AM

I heard on the radio this morning that now they are saying the governor is sitting on a report on how government spending can be streamlined without making any cuts to essential services like they have threatened us with. Where was this info before the election?

If it turns out that they are able to find money and preserve those things that were threatened with cuts, the needs to be a lawsuit brought against the state for attempted extortion. Because that would mean that the wording of the ballot measure was a FLAT OUT LIE.

husker · 02-04-2004, 09:11 AM

this measure failing totally.....&T^*$&()&&* me off....all the tight wads out there want everything but dont want to pay for it.....well.....you guys made the bed now lay in it.....we want better roads....pay for it...u want better schools pay for it.....u want better treatment for hatchery fish pay for it....u want more police pay for it.....all u guys who want everything and dont want to pay for anything just irk me!!!..and thats how i feel.....now wonder i stay away from political conversations.....however.....when my kids misses 17 days of school cause there aint money to pay for it...that BUGS ME REAL BAD!!!!

trap50 · 02-04-2004, 09:15 AM

One difference as far as uncollected debit. In the private sector we as the consumer have no say. The loss is passed on to us. Like it or not. In government we had a choice and said we don't want it passed on to us. Now they need to go after it. I saw in the paper the other day that it amounts to BIG $.

Cool Texan · 02-04-2004, 09:24 AM

Oto, I'm sure the information was there all along. Its easier though to get a bandaid on a problem while slowly fixing "problems" instead of pushing through a lot of extreme changes quickly. If that is the case, hopefully they will now act quickly so as to prevent any measurable loss of vital services.

Husker, we already are paying for it, which is the stance of a lot of the No voters such as my wife and I. The issue is our perception of how Salem is using it.

Bigdog · 02-04-2004, 09:27 AM

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CATCH AND EAT · 02-04-2004, 09:49 AM

Here's my take. It saddens me that we have to vote on new funding each and every year (or half year). All these services mentioned above will suffer and it really ticks me off. I voted NO not because I did'nt care but because I want a solution that will work which is fair for everyone involved. I don't have the answer as to how to do this but my frustration with this tax base here in Oregon has reached a boiling point.

I am weary of "Special elections" which in of themselves perpetuates a huge waste of money. Every time I look at this subject I have to think repeal the property tax and install a sales tax and much of the problem could be solved. Once government gets ahold of a tax they don't ever let it go. There are so many special taxes out there it's mind boggling.

So I voted NO and I am sad. Sad for my kids and the teachers that have to deal with a government that does NOT care. So show me a fair tax and fiscal responsibility and I will vote for it in a heart beat. Until then no dice.

husker · 02-04-2004, 09:50 AM

when salem cuts services .....and u dont get schools days....or fish....then we aint paying for it....

example....go to dinner....try and buy a $17 dinner with 10 bucks....good luck....

is there government waste??....of course...however....they....wont cut whats dearest to there hearts....they cut whats dearest to our hearts....and most of the people in salem are good people....however...when u get elected u take care of yourselves not everybody who writes an email....

[ 02-04-2004, 11:30 AM: Message edited by: husker ]

'ZZZZzzzzzz' · 02-04-2004, 10:11 AM

Now the legislature will get yet another chance to do the job that all tax payers have paid them to do. I have no doubt that it is a tough job, but the people have spoken so I hope a can do attirude will get to work and offer some solutions that best utilize the money that is there rather than asking for more money to make the job easier.

Sharpen the pencils and let's go find out what we can do.

Z's-

lost_sailor · 02-04-2004, 10:19 AM

Ready to trade some incomes taxes for SALES TAX?

And again, list the state programs you want to cut. In order.

Here's a list of agencies to help you -
oregon.gov

Oh, make sure they are funded by state taxes to get the most "bang for your buck"

Degner · 02-04-2004, 10:37 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by lost_sailor:
[QB] Ready to trade some incomes taxes for SALES TAX?

Not "some", but maybe all.

Big Dog · 02-04-2004, 10:56 AM

Husker

Quote:

s there government waste??....of course...however....they....wont cut whats dearest to there hearts....they cut whats dearest to our hearts....and most of the people in salem are good people....however...when u get elected u take care of yourselves not everybody who writes an email....

I beleive this is the point. We are tired of them cutting what is dearest to us. They need to take action and start making real cuts and spending wisely.

Rakkasan · 02-04-2004, 12:01 PM

Big Dog,

Nice Husky..I use to have one. Oh my thoughts on 30. I would like to see our government spedning more wisely instead of throwing money around like it is nothing. I will leave it at that

skahorse · 02-04-2004, 12:03 PM

Here's a start LS:

Architect Examiners, Board of
Arts Commission
Asian Affairs Commission
Athletic Trainers, Board of
Black Affairs Commission
Blind Commission I love the name of this one
Children & Families Commission We seem to already have 3 other "children" depts, do we need 4? Why not just one?
Capitol Planning Commission
Columbia River Gorge Commission
Community Solutions
Denture Technology, Board of Are you kidding me?
Dispute Resolutions Commission Isn't this what courts are for?
Economic & Community Development
Employment Relations Board
Film & Video Office
Forest Resources Institute We already have 4 other "forest" agencies, do we need them all?
Geologist Examiners Board
Hispanic Affairs, Commission on
Housing & Community Services
Indian Services, Commission on
Insurance Division
Insurance Pool Governing Board
Landscape Architect Board
Liquor Control Commision (OLCC)
Long Term Care Ombudsman Office Don't know what this is...
Minority, Women & Small Business
Oregon Heritage Commission
Oregon Travel Information Council
Progress Board
Public Employees Retirement System
Resource & Technology Dev. Board
Sanitarians Registration Board This is 15 other depts in one, according to there website

Speech Pathology & Audiology Board
State Historic Preservation Office
Tourism Commission We seem to have more than 5 depts on Travel and/or Tourism, are they necessary?
Transportation Commission
Travel Information Council
Workers' Compensation Board
Women, Commision for Were's the men's commission?

Now, some of these are arguably helpful to the Oregon economy. However, are they absolutely necessary? Are any of these necessary? Some maybe, and if so, we can keep them, but come on. We have something like 10 medical related boards/commissions/depts, are they all necessary?

And this doesn't even get into the individual budgets of the larger depts, ODOT, DOE and so on...

There's only a few on this list that I would call ABSOLUTELY necessary.

--Skahorse

Bigdog · 02-04-2004, 12:06 PM

I'm not sure how the hyperlink thing works but here are some ideas on how to save money. I don't personally agree with all of them but some of them I do. This is in reply to silver Hilton.

http://www.oregonwatchdog.com/savings%20book-final.htm

goodkarma · 02-04-2004, 12:13 PM

I'm not big on a sales tax but there is a reason every other state has one, because it's a tax based on usage and we benefit from visitors to our state. If Oregon wants to change the tax structure, don't stick me with an income tax increase, REPLACE the property tax or income tax with a sales tax.

night stocker · 02-04-2004, 12:20 PM

Catch and eat is right .Really,the sales tax makes sense to me.If you figuire an 8% sales tax and eliminate state taxes and the property taxes,I could spend everything that I earn and pay LESS taxes than what I currently am paying.Everybody says no to sales tax but it seems that taxes are collected up front and there is no need to go after the tax dodgers.You don't pay the sales tax,you don't get the product.Simple or so it seems.

Grantspastor · 02-04-2004, 12:26 PM

I'd vote for a sales tax that REPLACED income and property taxes in a heartbeat. Seems to me there is no more equitable way to tax...people that make and spend a lot pay a lot and vice-versa...

Hoosier Daddy · 02-04-2004, 12:27 PM

When the legislature goes into extra sessions and still can't get around to fixing things, but somehow finds time to discuss major league baseball, how can fixing financial problems be considered a priority. All they care about is protecting their butts. No one wants to look like a bad guy, but bad guys get stuff done. Time to roll up their sleeves and actually do some work.....

sparkleboy · 02-04-2004, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bigdog:
If the state of oregon would hire an outside auditing company and could prove to the public that they need this money, that there is no waste.

Although I am disappointed the measure failed, I entirely agree with the first part of your statement, Bigdog. I think we're long overdue for something like that to happen. I believe an auditor would fine our state a lot of money we were not using wisely, etc. However, I do not believe the auditor would find enough to make up for all the budget cuts we have experienced over the past few years.
I seriously hope the state does some serious background grunt work, in finding out what exactly we need, and exactly how much money certain funds should get.
I hope even more our economy can quickly begin a vigorous recovery period so our state can be "fully functional" again.

sparkleboy · 02-04-2004, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Grantspastor:
I'd vote for a sales tax that REPLACED income and property taxes in a heartbeat. Seems to me there is no more equitable way to tax...people that make and spend a lot pay a lot and vice-versa...

I'm glad there are other people out there who realize this is the best and most efficient way to generate tax dollars.

WaterDog · 02-04-2004, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Grantspastor:
I'd vote for a sales tax that REPLACED income and property taxes in a heartbeat. Seems to me there is no more equitable way to tax...people that make and spend a lot pay a lot and vice-versa...

Absolutely!

The problem, or should I say the history, has been that when proposed, eliminating other taxes has not been on the table.

Cool Texan · 02-04-2004, 12:50 PM

What is the Washington sales tax? Make the Oregon tax 2 points lower and you could still assume that you would be stealing some big ticket item business from Vancouver to Portland.

If they gave me a choice to switch to sales tax instead of income and property...oh I would be so happy!

lost_sailor · 02-04-2004, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by skahorse:
Here's a start LS:

Architect Examiners, Board of
Arts Commission
Asian Affairs Commission...

Deregulate architecture? Cool, I'll start designing some buildings. Don't worry, I'll give you a good price!

Why not trash the construction contractor's board too?

Are you an architect? (My dad was an architect!) Because you might want to check with them because THEIR FEES SUPPORT THE AGENCY - not our taxes. That is true of all of the professional regulatory agencies you listed. You're not paying for it, except to the extent that they charge you for their services! And you're reaping the benefits in public health, safe buildings, and so on.

They're willing to pay their fees because they make more money without some unskilled hack like me competing with them. (Whattaya want? House? Store? Shopping Mall? I do all kinds of that architecting! Heck, my dad was an architect, it's so simple! You get your wood, your nails, some concrete, voila!

)

I'll take a look, it may surprise you how little you would reduce the need for TAXES if you eliminated all that government...

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skahorse · 02-04-2004, 01:16 PM

LS,
You asked:

Quote:

And again, list the state programs you want to cut.

So I listed. Regardless of whether or not they pay for it, it still hinders a free market environment. Granted, I don't know all of the intracacies of the budget, however, I think it would be safe to assume they get some funding from the gov't, they are a state agency.

P.S. Fees are taxes too. Just because you and I don't directly pay them, we pay for them. Companies don't just absorb these costs, they pass them on to the consumer.

--Skahorse

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lost_sailor · 02-04-2004, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by skahorse:
Granted, I don't know all of the intracacies of the budget...

Just like the rest of us! Our reps know the intricacies, but we still have to second-guess them and cancel their work.

A free-market guy, hmmm? So you WILL hire me to design and build your next home - if the price is right?

You want to pay 50 cents less for a haircut, even if the price is hepatitis or a staph infection? Cool!

Oregon Blue Book has links to the budget information. Looks like the BlackAsianHispanicBlind commissions are costing us money, so you can trash them, since hey! I can see and I'm a WHITE BOY!

Some have wanted to nix the OLCC, but curiously, it puts money IN the general fund ...

*Don't flame me too bad, I'm just having fun a devil's-advocatin' a bit ... *

Alligator · 02-04-2004, 03:28 PM

I have no words that will sway the folks who believe this is not best for Oregon.

I do thank those that voted No on 30. So, your saying we've gotta chance

Cool Texan · 02-04-2004, 03:39 PM

Aside from my school teacher neighbor, I'm yet to talk to anyone who voted Yes for it. Someone, somewhere in Salem can do great things with this opportunity...lets hope they realize it and act on it. Reorganizations are painful but fundamentally positive initiatives to undertake. Duplications are removed, redundancies streamlined, and wasteful ways can be corrected. Sounds like they've started the process, based on a news article Stray posted a while back...so hopefully they continue on with those efforts....quickly.

lost_sailor · 02-04-2004, 03:54 PM

All this optimism is admirable.

My cynical self doesn't expect anything to get better until a bunch of people get elected with sufficient cajones to make some drastic changes; that is, more concerned with the interests of the citizens than with looking good and being elected again.

vote well

Straydog · 02-04-2004, 04:06 PM

I remember my folks way back when I was kid saying we were crazy not to have a sales tax but unfortunately there are still fewer of us saying that than "no" when it comes up for a vote.

SKA,

Thanks for the list. The problem is, as has been pointed out, the devil is in the details and my bet is the devil isn't hiding enough money to get us close to a balanced budget without some significant cuts.

I agree with LS in that I don't believe our current legislators or Governor are up to getting it done.

The good news is, as CT has pointed out, this should lead us to a more effecient Government in the long run. I just hope we can keep Education and other vital services tolerable in the interim. Our kids and our sick and old really don't have the time to waste.

As for another positive, the measure lost by a slimmer margin in Jackson and Josephine Counties than others. We gained 2500 yes voters over Measure 28. Surprising, but cause for hope.

Cool Texan · 02-04-2004, 04:11 PM

LS, unfortunately, you are probably right.

crabbait · 02-04-2004, 05:21 PM

Good discussion, guys. Thanks for keeping it civil.

husker · 02-04-2004, 05:38 PM

anybody got $11 million dollars for hillsboro schools?.....hillsboro school are overflowing.... just wanna say thanks to all of those tight wads....clackamas needs $2.5 million....

Straydog · 02-04-2004, 06:05 PM

We will see where this all settles out. One thing I have learned in my short political experience is that the final word is rarely the final word.

If indeed education is cut as spelled out in the Legislatures plan, our district will have $3.9M in costs to cut.

[ 02-04-2004, 07:06 PM: Message edited by: Straydog ]

foxer · 02-04-2004, 08:26 PM

Husker, next time those districts have to negotiate the teachers contracts, they probably can get fairly close. Teachers in the metro area have some of the best(ie expensive$$) medical/dental coverage of anybody in the state. Yep, paid by the taxpayer

[ 02-04-2004, 09:26 PM: Message edited by: foxer ]

Lepper · 02-04-2004, 08:30 PM

Just get rid of OHP problem solved..
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No Wishin Just Fishin · 02-04-2004, 08:35 PM

Why dont we just legalize gambling like LaCenter. except for the whole state. with all money going to schools, police, and fire. If we had them everywhere then the tribal casinos would't look so good.
.

foxer · 02-04-2004, 08:45 PM

There was an article about the proposed grande rhonde casino in pdx. Sounded like the gov was not totally against it if they renegotiated a few things. Do what Arnold wants to do in CA...

Cool Texan · 02-04-2004, 08:47 PM

Instead of going on the gambling angle, why dont we fixing the spending, procedural and organizational issues instead?

24 on/ 48 off · 02-04-2004, 09:26 PM

Get rid of OHP and the federal government steps back into the picture with medicaid. You sure you want the the federal government and its $500+ billion dolar defecit running our health care for the poor?

--spud-- :smile:

Straydog · 02-04-2004, 11:05 PM

Big Dog,

The problem lies in the fact, as was shown in the last Legislative session and special sessions, that the big money lies in the programs that are important to the majority of Oregonians. Therefore, if we are to take the "real cuts", it will mean a reduction in those services Oregonians have stated over and over are important to them.

That is the circle we are on. Yes, there are programs and cuts to made and there will be small savings associated with that. We should by all means go after them. But, in order to make up the money we need to balance the budget, we are going to have to cut into the "real" programs, as well.

Now the question, again, becomes what services are we willing to do without or see cut significantly? The Legislature and the Governor have not been able to answer this to our satisfaction. My guess is they will be no more succesful this time, (whenever that turns out being) than last time.

I have seen nothing that makes me confident they will get the job done differently than they did last time and 'we the people' just voted down the job they did last time.

Grantspastor · 02-04-2004, 11:55 PM

Call me a prophet, but I predict there will never be consensus agreement over this issue. What does seem like a workable and logical idea to me would be a bill that mandates funding for schools, law enforcement/corrections, and fisheries FIRST...then starts looking for cuts
(Did I leave out anything "essential and non-negotiable"?)

roundtuit97128 · 02-04-2004, 11:59 PM

Ya gotta hand it to our Legislator's and our Former Governor, there were darned few who had the cajones to stand up and do what needed to be done--compromise and make it work. Ultra-eithersiders weren't willing to solve a long term issue--STABLE funding for schools (A real big eater of the General Fund) Will our kids miss $285M out of the $4.7B (GF Portion) State School fund? Oh yes! and while we're at it, can the State Lottery bring $452M to the State School Fund? (Only if we buy Power Ball Tickets and hit it big)
During the next election, ask the candidates how they will fix the problem and vote for one who has an answer, not just rhetoric. Beware of ones who chime in with, "Cut Spending!" ask them where...

Straydog · 02-05-2004, 05:52 AM

Something I find interesting about this discussion, both here and in other circles, is the empolyee benefit angle.

I often hear and have read here opinions that goes something like "by golly, I have crappy health benefits and so should "they"! (public employees)"

It seems to me a much more positive angle might be more like "hey, they have great health care benefits, let's put our energy into making sure all people have great health care benefits!" However, instead, it seems the mantra is "I can't afford good healthcare for my family so they shouldn't get it either." Dragging all down to meet in the mud seems less productive than working to raise us all out of the mud.
:whazzup:
But of course, that is just me........

willametteriveroutlaw · 02-05-2004, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by No Wishin Just Fishin:
Why dont we just legalize gambling like LaCenter. except for the whole state. with all money going to schools, police, and fire. If we had them everywhere then the tribal casinos would't look so good.
.

Unfortunately, too large a percantage of LC's taxes go to the police force and not enough to schools due to state laws.

Heres a couple for ya LS.
Architect Examiners, Board of
Arts Commission
Asian Affairs Commission
Athletic Trainers, Board of
Black Affairs Commission
Children & Families Commission
Capitol Planning Commission
Columbia River Gorge Commission
Community Solutions
Denture Technology, This one is espicially valuable
Dispute Resolutions Commission
Economic & Community Development
Employment Relations Board
Film & Video Office (this one is definately important

)
Forest Resources Institute
Geologist Examiners Board
Hispanic Affairs, Commission on
Housing & Community Services
Indian Services, Commission on
Insurance Pool Governing Board
Landscape Architect Board
Liquor Control Commision (OLCC)
Long Term Care Ombudsman Office
Minority, Women & Small Business
Oregon Heritage Commission
Oregon Travel Information Council
Progress Board
Resource & Technology Dev. Board
Sanitarians Registration Board
Speech Pathology & Audiology Board
State Historic Preservation Office
Tourism Commission
Transportation Commission
Travel Information Council
Women, Commision