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Old 11-18-2009, 11:48 AM   #1
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okay lets hear the opinions im leaning towards the 325 rifle will be either a browning x bolt or a tikka t3

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Old 11-18-2009, 12:13 PM   #2
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okay lets hear the opinions im leaning towards the 325 rifle will be either a browning x bolt or a tikka t3
I have not bought one yet, but a Kimber Montana .325 is on my wish list for my next rifle.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:17 PM   #3
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I personally would limit my purchase to a caliber that is easy to find, especially if you went somewhere and forgot your ammo (it is a common thing). Any modern gun is a usually a good rifle so you are only limited by your finances.
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I'd buy the .338 over the .325. They have about the same ballistics and the .338 gives you a little more bullet diameter, bullet choice, bullet availablilty, etc. The .325 is just the 270 or 300 wsm necked up and shooting a heavier bullet.
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Tikka is more accurate than the Kimber and at about half the price you can afford a killer scope on it or save the cash to pay for all of next years new and more expensive Oregon hunts....

Definately the .338 WM, I went through this process last year and bout the T3 lite in .338, easy 1 inch group at 100 yards with Federal ammo.
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Old 11-18-2009, 01:27 PM   #6
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.338 .32 cal bullits are hard to find
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Old 11-18-2009, 01:36 PM   #7
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I bought a .338 about 98-99 hunted with it for a few years and never had anything get away but, I went back to my old 300 win, better longer range, cheaper to shoot, and it tips them over just fine.
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I own the .325 WSM Browning A-bolt in a stainless stalker and have had excellent success with it. My son and Son in law both own the same gun. Shoots flat and fast with great knock down power. If you get one let me know and I'll tell what hand load I have found that works very well and will get great groups. I shoot the 200 grain Accubond. Good Look
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I would look at the Tikka 338. You can't beat the price, accuracy and availability of ammo. They will shoot a 1" circle out of the box.
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.338 .32 cal bullets are hard to find
Granted unless you have a Corbin you will be stuck with a very limited selection for a good while though .338 slugs were few until Winchester made a success in that cal til then the .333 slugs ruled.
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I would go with the .338
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I'd go .338 Win Mag....toss up on brand.
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I'd also go .338 for the ammo availability and the extra knock down.
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I would add another choice, a 338 ultra mag. You will get better performance than either the 338 win or the 325. But if I had to choose between the two, I would go with the 338 win. More bullet choices adn better performance on larger animals.
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okay lets hear the opinions im leaning towards the 325 rifle will be either a browning x bolt or a tikka t3
I've always wanted to add a 325 wsm to the arsenal.

It's a funny thing with the ammo availability dilemma, when I bought my 300 wsm, I was concerned that there might be times I couldn't find rounds, but this year (The Obama factor) I could not find .06 anywhere, but everyone had 300 wsm.
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What one will do, so will the other! Three things I have never left home when going hunting, my rifle, my knife and my ammo.
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BTW, I shoot a .338 win mag Ruger Stainless with the boat oar stock, bought last century, killed elk, several muleys, whitetails in Montana, and a nice Idaho bear. Love it and it is my go to gun.
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I went back to my old 300 win, better longer range,
Hey Loner, just curious what you mean by "better longer range?" Are you shooting really lightweight bullets? Please post any published data that would support the .300 WM being superior to the .338 WM. I am trying to talk myself into a new .300 WM but can't do it because every single ballistics chart that I have studied shows that using 180 gr and up bullets the .338 WM shoots flatter than the 300 WM in apples to apples comparisons which would make it easier to be accurate at long range.
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Your 338 will not necessarily be more accurate at long range. What it will do is deliver more power at long range. Miss direct that power and the 308 Win wins!!!
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I owned a Tikka 338 loved the accuracy everything under 1.25 but I didn't like the plastic detachable box magazine-so it had to go. But the Tikka T3 is still a great rifle. I'd stick with the 338 better bullet selection-sectional density and ballistic coefficient. The 325 will be obsolete in 10 years-the 338 will be around for years to come-you won't have problems finding brass or bullets and will be around for years to come.
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338 has a better selection of bullets/ammo.

338 has better sectional densities.
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Your 338 will not necessarily be more accurate at long range. What it will do is deliver more power at long range. Miss direct that power and the 308 Win wins!!!
The same can be said of all rounds and I feel lack of shooting skills should not be a factor.....if you can't hit what you are shooting at with 338 you can't hit it with a 300mag.

Is the 325 an 8mm? If it is, the odds of it becoming another in the long list of failed 8mm rounds are high. I like the 8mm Mauser but the 8mm Rem was only good for making wildcats based on it's large capacity case.
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I like playing the devil's advocate here. The argument that the 338 has a better selection of ammunition and bullet's doesn't hold water. What's important is that each cartridge has a adequate selection of bullet's. Even if there is only one adequate 325 bullet, one is all your going to be shooting anyway.

The 325 may be gone in 10yrs and may not. If it is there will be handloaders around in love with it to sell it to and ammo won't be a problem for them. How much trouble to they have getting cases for the 6.5-284? The 284 itself isn't doing that well, anybody still chanber new guns for it? The only place I know of where a cartridge went obsolete and left people with guns and no ammo was the 5mm Rem and it was not reloadable. I read that the ammo is going to be made again.
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How much trouble to they have getting cases for the 6.5-284? The 284 itself isn't doing that well, anybody still chanber new guns for it? The only place I know of where a cartridge went obsolete and left people with guns and no ammo was the 5mm Rem and it was not reloadable. I read that the ammo is going to be made again.
Is the 325 an 8mm? Americans have historically avoided 8mm.

It's no trouble for me to get 284 cases, when I sold guns I double ordered 284 cases...two different times, so I had 200 new 284 cases. When I was fire forming brass for my 338-06 Akley I ordered 100 30-06 cases first, then Remington standardized the 35 Whelan and I did another 100 out of them so I have around 150 once fired (fire formed) 338-06 cases.
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Yea keta I think the 325 is an 8mm, everywhere except the US! Who know's what caliber the 6.8 is? That will be the first 270 shot down in flames! What has the 7-08 got over the 7x57? It's American! I like this thred, really splitting some fine hairs here!
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The 7.9x57 is a good round.
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I'm just courious. How many 6.8x63's do you think you could sell in this country?
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Yeah the .325 is an 8mm but Winchester was smart enough to know that naming their new round the 8mm mag would be the kiss of death so they are trying to get it under the 8mm phobia radar & maybe they will make it. Remington sure didn't with the 8mm rem mag & even though it was a fine cartridge it did not expand the variety of slugs available so it copuld not offer any more than the .300 Weatherby & at long range it didn't perform as well since the BC of equal weight slugs in .308 are better than in .325/8mm. But like the win .284 its cases have spawned more offspring & sales of brass are doing fine.
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. But like the win .284 its cases have spawned more offspring & sales of brass are doing fine.
My 375-8mm Rem is a good wildcat, a 338-8mm Rem would be another.



6.8x63= 270Win?
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Hey Loner, just curious what you mean by "better longer range?" Are you shooting really lightweight bullets? Please post any published data that would support the .300 WM being superior to the .338 WM. I am trying to talk myself into a new .300 WM but can't do it because every single ballistics chart that I have studied shows that using 180 gr and up bullets the .338 WM shoots flatter than the 300 WM in apples to apples comparisons which would make it easier to be accurate at long range.
A .308 200gr accubond has a Ballistic coefficient of 0.588. A .338 200gr accubond has a BC of 0.414. I can shoot a 308 200gr accubond at 3000fps nearly in my 24" ruger 300 win mag. with a 300yd zero it is -25.5" at 500yds, velocity at 500yds 2226fps. in the nosler #6 the highest published velocity for the 338winmag 200gr accubond is 3020fps. with a 300yrd zero it is -29.3" at 500yds velocity at 500yds 1965fps. I would call that a very minor edge to the 300 win mag on both energy on impact and drop
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To be a fair comparison you should use 225gr bullets for the 338. Inertia is another factor that I have never seen data on.
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Inertia is another factor that I have never seen data on.
It might be that the external factors not addressed in the first law of motion make it fairly complex, or a wash. It would be interesting to see some numbers, and how they affect performance.
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One would think that with bullets of different weights and the same diameter starting out at the same speed the heavy bullet would maintain it's velocity longer.
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If you're a handloader and don't ever sell your rifles then the .325 is a nice round. It will be a commercial orphan eventually. There is a long list of those! All excellent rounds but nobody bought them. .257 Roberts, 7mm Remington Express/.284, .307, etc.
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If you're a handloader and don't ever sell your rifles then the .325 is a nice round. It will be a commercial orphan eventually. There is a long list of those! All excellent rounds but nobody bought them. .257 Roberts, 7mm Remington Express/.284, .307, etc.
Trying not to sidetrack too much here, but isn't the 7 Rem Express a 280 Remington? If that's the case(Sorry for the pun. Actually, I'm not sorry), then it's doing well.
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Trying not to sidetrack too much here, but isn't the 7 Rem Express a 280 Remington? If that's the case(Sorry for the pun. Actually, I'm not sorry), then it's doing well.
Yeah, it is, but how many names did it have to have to reach the success? Heck of a caliber btw.
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The .325 is a "cool" round!!

Better B.C. than same bullet weights in .338, same velocity with less powder than 338 cartridges.

Short action.

Is it ever going to be a popular round? I can't believe it ever will be....but I'd love to own one if I could.

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To be a fair comparison you should use 225gr bullets for the 338. Inertia is another factor that I have never seen data on.
I shoot factory loads, Hornady Heavy Magnum 225 gr out of my 338 win mag, I have seriously taken 10 or more elk with that rifle and I have NEVER had to look for one, only shot twice 1 time and that was because the cow was trying to get back up, it absolutely destroys the vitals when it hits, a very quick kill in my opinion....I have only shot 1 at long range, was 350 yards up hill, dropped him in his tracks, the rest were mostly 150 yards or less.
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My 375-8mm Rem is a good wildcat, a 338-8mm Rem would be another.



6.8x63= 270Win?

Yes they are but you do know that the .375-8mm is just the .375 Ackley long mag & the .338-8mm is the old .338 OKH & a large number of others.
Not much new in the world of wildcatting but it sure is fun.
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okay lets hear the opinions im leaning towards the 325 rifle will be either a browning x bolt or a tikka t3
I love the short bolt throw of my T3 short mag. Light too! Buy the Tikka, you WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.
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Get a 30-.338! you wont be disapointed
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I love my 325! I think guys get caught up on ballistics and specifications, but unless you spend the time to learn how to shoot the gun correctly to match what its capable of doing... it's just another gun. Me personally; I'm a bowhunter and wanted to get back into hunting with a gun again. I spend the time to shoot correctly and I can honestly say that I will pick my 325 over pretty much any gun I have ever owned.

Here are some results of the 325 in just over one year. Great shooting gun, super flat, not much recoil and very comfortable overall. The main thing for me is confidence. When I look in that scope, I know whatever the crosshairs are settled on is going to be taking a ride with me soon.









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Another thing you'll find if you shoot both is the kick is so much harder on the .338 .. I'm very fond of the .325 and a number of friends have shot mine and been impressed. I let a guide in Wyoming shoot it a he kept trying to buy it off of me as he was so impressed. Buy what suits you but try shooting both if you have a chance.
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.338 RUM Great ballistics and plenty of energy.

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Old 11-22-2009, 07:00 AM   #45
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well i found a great deal on a win mod 70 325 wsm ultimate shadow, so it is now residing in my gun safe with a new nikon monarch sitting on top with leopold rings and bases total package was right at 1000.00 so im pretty happy. So im thinkin about shooting either the barnes tsx 200gr or the nosler partition 200gr.any thoughts?
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Yes they are but you do know that the .375-8mm is just the .375 Ackley long mag & the .338-8mm is the old .338 OKH & a large number of others.
Not much new in the world of wildcatting but it sure is fun.
Yup, them "Old Guys" had their fun and we can too. My 338-06 is an Akley.


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Get a 30-.338! you wont be disapointed
It does the same as many standard 300 mag rounds and less than many of them. If it's what one wants then go for it but there are better without having to deal with making brass, even if it's as easy as making a 30-338 case.
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I love my 325! I think guys get caught up on ballistics and specifications, but unless you spend the time to learn how to shoot the gun correctly to match what its capable of doing... it's just another gun. Me personally; I'm a bowhunter and wanted to get back into hunting with a gun again. I spend the time to shoot correctly and I can honestly say that I will pick my 325 over pretty much any gun I have ever owned.

Here are some results of the 325 in just over one year. Great shooting gun, super flat, not much recoil and very comfortable overall. The main thing for me is confidence. When I look in that scope, I know whatever the crosshairs are settled on is going to be taking a ride with me soon.









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Old 11-22-2009, 09:42 AM   #48
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Good for you. Now go shoot it and let us know what you think.

Seems as if the Barnes have over taken Noslers as the go to bullet.



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well i found a great deal on a win mod 70 325 wsm ultimate shadow, so it is now residing in my gun safe with a new nikon monarch sitting on top with leopold rings and bases total package was right at 1000.00 so im pretty happy. So im thinkin about shooting either the barnes tsx 200gr or the nosler partition 200gr.any thoughts?
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Seems as if the Barnes have over taken Noslers as the go to bullet.
Barnes X bulets are extremely good for some applications, not so good for others. Barnes X bullets work well, so do Nozzler bullets as well as most all of the top end bullets. The trick is knowing where and when you need one over the other. The Barnes X has a high sectional density (SD) for it's weight and acts somewhat like a heavier bullet (resistance to wind drift and better penetration) but they don't have the mass (weight) that conventional bullets with similar SD. When Barnes first came out with the X bullet I used them for my 375's but fouling was a issue...a issue Barnes has fixed a long time ago.
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Both great loads. Which ones ammo is better over all. Price availability quality etc.
I would go for the .338 no brainer "wow" on th knock down scale.
But the .325 probaly shoots flatter.
Only a coin toss could solve this
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I like the 300RUM.
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Keta for a little bit more "fun" re-cut it to the Gibbs chamber or get some un-necked brass from Zhat & really maximize the '06 chamber.
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I lub my .338 browning BBR ( her name is elk medecine).
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Keta for a little bit more "fun" re-cut it to the Gibbs chamber or get some un-necked brass from Zhat & really maximize the '06 chamber.

If the cancer and the crushing hadn't slowed me down I'd would have liked to play with large beltless cases using 375 and 416 bullets. As it is my non magnum 338-06 makes me happy, not much recoil, lots of bullet and the rifle was built by me for me.

8mm or 338? I would like to see an 8mm (.325) make it but I don't see this happening. I was impressed with the way the 7.9 Mauser shot but the 8mm Rem was not that impressive with the powders available at the time. Remington should have introduced this case in .338 and without the belt.
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Barnes X bulets are extremely good for some applications, not so good for others. Barnes X bullets work well, so do Nozzler bullets as well as most all of the top end bullets. The trick is knowing where and when you need one over the other. The Barnes X has a high sectional density (SD) for it's weight and acts somewhat like a heavier bullet (resistance to wind drift and better penetration) but they don't have the mass (weight) that conventional bullets with similar SD. When Barnes first came out with the X bullet I used them for my 375's but fouling was a issue...a issue Barnes has fixed a long time ago.
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Sectional density is the ratio of a bullets weight to area. So all bullets of the same caliber and the same weight will have the same SD. So it is not possible for barnes to have a "high SD for its weight", it will have the same SD as any other bullet of that wieght and same diameter.
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Keta- small clarification:

Sectional density is the ratio of a bullets weight to area. So all bullets of the same caliber and the same weight will have the same SD. So it is not possible for barnes to have a "high SD for its weight", it will have the same SD as any other bullet of that wieght and same diameter.
Weight to cross sectional area, when you have a monolithic bullet like a Barnes X the bullet has to be longer for it's weight than a bullet made of denser material, like a jacketed lead bullet, giving it a higher SD than a "normal" bullet of the same weight and caliber. Look at the SD of the X bullets and you will see that they have the SD of a heavier bullet of the same general shape.
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If the cancer and the crushing hadn't slowed me down I'd would have liked to play with large beltless cases using 375 and 416 bullets. As it is my non magnum 338-06 makes me happy, not much recoil, lots of bullet and the rifle was built by me for me.

8mm or 338? I would like to see an 8mm (.325) make it but I don't see this happening. I was impressed with the way the 7.9 Mauser shot but the 8mm Rem was not that impressive with the powders available at the time. Remington should have introduced this case in .338 and without the belt.

I've been turning the belts off the .378 WBY brass leaving the rim which gives some of the strongest rimmed cases around though I haven't yet found a source for un-necked which would be nice.
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I've been turning the belts off the .378 WBY brass leaving the rim which gives some of the strongest rimmed cases around though I haven't yet found a source for un-necked which would be nice.

What are you making with the large rimmed cases?

Are the 378WBY cases the same or close to a belted 416Rigby?
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I went through this exact decision making process 3 years ago. You cannot go wrong with either caliber where performance is concerned. Therefore, it comes down to type of hunting/expectations of use/handloading vs factory ammo etc.

The .325 WSM is an 8mm marketed differently b/c of the history of previous failed attempts in North America to mainstream the 8mm. The upside is the flatter trajectory with similar energy/knockdown to the .338. It is also shorter and lighter (shorter barrels and lighter magazine/bolt sections). This package is desirable for handling especially in the mountains or on remote trips where weight/space is at a premium. So is the lesser felt recoil which allows some people to feel more comfortable shooting and, thus, possibly improving their accuracy (user related).

From a performance perspective there has not been, to my knowledge, any significant backlash to this caliber. The singular drawback it seems, which is quite significant to some, is the availability and variety of factory ammunition. If you reload this in an insignificant consideration. If you are at the mercy of factory ammo then Winchester's 200 gr Accubond is your most available option for a quality bullet. You can also get 180 gr Barnes XXX and 200 gr Partitions by Double Tap on Midway's site, but I do not know firsthand about those.

The .338 WM then is heavier and longer with a more arching trajectory and bigger kick (compared to the .325). However, the ammo selections are 180-250 gr with many quality bullets such as Partiion, XXX, A-frame, Bear Claw etc. This is a classic round that will always be available and never go out of style. Certainly a great choice in its own right.

It comes down to personal use/preference...........Example: In Oregon, the .325 WSM would be a great choice for a handloader who backpack trips into the Eagle Caps for elk while still giving them something first choice for a weeklong desert antelope, sheep, mule deer hunt. The .338 WM might get the nod by a westsider who does daily or weekend hunts for elk and blacktails in the timber (closer shots), and who wants to have a variety of factory ammo at their disposal which is carried by their local hardware store. Just examples on how some may come to a decision.....

I believe both are terrific choices for North American species/larger caliber range. I chose the .325 WSM Browning A-bolt and I have been quite satisfied. I shoot the factory 200 gr Accubonds by Winchester; and, in the last two years, have one-shot kills on moose, kodiak sitka blacktail, arctic slope caribou, and coastal brown bear - excellent performance and versatility. I also believe that had I chose the .338 WM I would be satisfied.

If you will only buy one more gun in your life....maybe get the .338 WM b/c it is a classic with a wide range of readily available ammo. If this is not your last firearm....maybe go with the .325 WSM b/c of what a sweet piece of aaaaarmament it is. And if $$$ is no option find it in a Winchester Model 70.

Good luck on your decision.
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What are you making with the large rimmed cases?

Are the 378WBY cases the same or close to a belted 416Rigby?

External dimensions are the same, old Roy took the Rigby case & added a belt to it & Norma uses a better grade of brass that is a good bit stronger than normal & while the internal volume is reduced a few grains the strength more than makes up for it.
The smallest that I've played with is a .257 but barrel life is kind of low & most slugs won't handle the spin or velocity but form .284 on up it works fine though it does like a lot of powder it performs best with the old H50MG. The rim is because & like single shots. In .224 it would be the old .22 errgasplitenloudenboomer that Nasa used for testing but without the belt. They reached speeds past 6,000fps but barrels were considered shot out before an accurate load could be developed.
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