Humane Education Curriculum in Public Schools

[Critr Gitr]

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[pathetic novice]

My son just fed some crickets to his lizard, and we'll probably have venison for dinner. So does my son get expelled, suspended, flunked...?

[thecougdad]

The key here is the that this is a "Charter school". We as voters should oppose any and all attempts to take money away from our public schools and give it to groups that have their own agendas. Just my .02 worth

[ 11-10-2003, 05:39 PM: Message edited by: thecougdad ]

[1pump]

We as voters should oppose any and all attempts to take money away from our public schools and give it to groups that have their own agendas.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Absolutely. If people want to send their kids to a school with a curriculum like that, then they can get their own funding and start their own private school.

[pdxkevin]

I beleive that humane ed. should teach propper fishing and hunting techniques and responsibilities. How to take a clean shot with your rifle and bow. How best to get the harvest from the feild to the freezer. Keeping your hooks sharp is an important part or humane fishing as is teaching kids that snagging is wrong.

Somehow I don't think they would agree with my view of humane ed.

[Straydog]

These sorts of programs only hurt those that would like to see more legitimate choices within the public school arena.

[El Shaddai]

While I agree with the sentiment regarding the article, I do not agree with the sentiment regarding school choice. Many charter schools have blown away public schools academically for a fraction of the cost....

Those are my $$ funding public schools...I should be able to take them and spend them where I feel is most appropriate....

If you want to be really honest let's take a quick look at the NEA's political agenda....

#1 Disarm Our Nuclear Forces. In 1982, at the height of the Cold War~ the NEA passed a resolution calling for a nuclear freeze and the dimantling of our nuclear weapons arsenal. It passed a similar resolution in 2000.

#2 Disarm Our Conventional Military Forces. Again in 1982 and 2001~ the NEA passed a resolution urging teachers to teach children "strategies for disarmament."

#3 Reject English as an Official Language. In 1987 and again in 1993 the NEA passed a resolution opposed to making English the official language of the US.

#4 Encourage a Radical Sexual Agenda for Children. In 1969 and 2001~the NEA passed a resolution stating that "it is the right of every individual to live in an environment of freely available info and knowledge about sexuality." Sex-ed programs should cover the teaching of birth control, homosexuality, bisexuality, homophobia, incest and std's.

Maybe the NEA should focus on academic excellence and stop playing politics....btw, these are just a few examples...if I typed faster I would list more.

The NEA is a disgrace to our children and our country.

[thecougdad]

If I could hand select 150 students that walked into my classroom on a daily basis,I too could blow away the competition. In the real world, public education must provide for all students regardless of their disability, home life or learning ability. As far as the NEA, although I don't always agree with some of their policy's, without their political lobbying efforts on behalf of education, how well do you think the kids would do, say against big business like Haliburton.

[Straydog]

Originally posted by thecougdad:
If I could hand select 150 students that walked into my classroom on a daily basis,I too could blow away the competition. In the real world, public education must provide for all students regardless of their disability, home life or learning ability. As far as the NEA, although I don't always agree with some of their policy's, without their political lobbying efforts on behalf of education, how well do you think the kids would do, say against big business like Haliburton.

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Thank you!

[DanS]

Who called whom "uninformed"?

That's right. You did. That's what makes it YOUR homework, not mine.

You said cougdad's post was uninformed, and now it's up to ME to prove you wrong?

Uhhhhhh.........OK.

[thecougdad]

El Shaddai, thanks for not making this a personal attack. Does this mean I have now been "flamed".
I have to take exception to your "uninformed and ignorant rhetoric" statements. I hold a Masters degree and have taught in the public schools for over 30 years. My beliefs are based on years of research as well as practical experience in education. I have dealt with all students from the behaviorally disturbed to the very gifted. Public education does work, and you can pound on that book all you want, that's what I believe.......

[Thumper]

It was just a teensy little flame. :tongue:

[willametteriveroutlaw]

The NEA is a tainted organization at best... Their liberal agenda is easily seen, El Sahddai's post on what they have supproted kind of summed it up. Its sad when condemning someones "lifestyle" choice makes you a bigot. My mom worked for the school district and absolutely hated what the NEA did for them.
As for teachers, the problem is that the best and brightest don't want to become teachers, instead its generally people who couldn't make it as much else. (not an attack on teachers, just pointing out a theme) Thats part of the reason why private schools do much better because they get the best and the brightest of teachers.

[El Shaddai]

cougdad~ A masters degree and 30 years experience...very impressive. I dropped out of college and have barely been alive 30 years (35 to be exact).

All I bring is honesty, compassion and common sense to the equation....your comparison between Haliburton and the NEA is intellectually irrelevant as they are unrelated and 150 handpicked students is uninformed because there are tens of thousands...I am not trying to "flame" you...I just want you to focus on the facts.....avoid the temptation to digress into rhetoric...at least be like Mr. Lutz....he is an expert at spinning facts and half truths and always gives the impression of being factual...that is why I love his posts...he stirs the pot and keeps the dialogue going in a way that keeps him removed from the fray....share with us your perspective based on factual experiences....I have an open mind...I am willing to engage in an honest exchange of ideas, but it needs to stay focused on facts....which I believe will ultimately lead to more "conservative" solutions.(opinion)

[Straydog]

Originally posted by
As for teachers, the problem is that the best and brightest don't want to become teachers, instead its generally people who couldn't make it as much else. (not an attack on teachers, just pointing out a theme) Thats part of the reason why private schools do much better because they get the best and the brightest of teachers.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">My over 17 years of personal experience with schools and teachers as a parent, a volunteer, an activist, a site council member and currently a school board member gives me a much different opinion of teachers.

My experience tells me that the vast majority of them pursued an education to educate well before they had an opportunity to prove themselves "unable to make it as much else" and did so with a focus on being teachers and helping kids learn and prosper. Anyone that thinks it is an easy job is just plain wrong.

[thecougdad]

Ok, I believe the Haliburton/NEA statement is relevant because funding for reduced price lunches, Vocational Education , title funding etc. comes from the Federal government.Does education have to compete with other programs for a finite amount of money? Do private schools such as Jesuit High in Portland have an open enrollment policy and are they required to take any student regardless of learning disabilities, behavior problems or financial resources.( Sorry Jesuit, your school is one of the finest private schools I have ever visited.)I could go on but.....time to educate this old teacher,I have an open mind as long as you keep calling me a Liberal.
Thanks Dan S, I will be cheering for the Dawgs this weekend, but that's as far as I can go.

[El Shaddai]

Using your logic I could say that NASA funding or the Iraq war are related.

So, here we go again. Not one credible argument that public education is not in trouble and not one that choice (vouchers) are not a viable part of the solution.

Straydog~ Your continued moments of clarity hearten me....you are right...it is not an easy job. Hard decisions must be made and people with vision, courage and conviction must lead the way. Clearly, the status quo is failing.

[El Shaddai]

cougdad~ Nothing like an irrlevant, uninformed emotional responses....Haliburton and the NEA are separate issues.....150 handpicked kids....how about tens of thousands of kids from mostly socially disadvantaged families...do your homework before bringing rhetoric like that.

[DanS]

tens of thousands of kids from mostly socially disadvantaged families

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Why don't YOU support THAT statement before you blow your next gasket?

[El Shaddai]

I have cited sources to start researching and specific studies on several related posts...it is not my job to do your homework. Those who aren't well versed should either ask questions or do their own research and then come to a conclusion.

Comments like cougdad's are an indication of the underlying problem....ignorant rhetoric instead of facts. Let's focus on facts for a change...

[DanS]

Using your logic I could say that NASA funding or the Iraq war are related.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">There's nothing illogical about making that comparison, either. They are both competing for Federal dollars.........as are schools.

[Straydog]

Using your logic I could say that NASA funding or the Iraq war are related.

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There's nothing illogical about making that comparison, either. They are both competing for Federal dollars.........as are schools.

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">Bingo!!

The cost of just a few bombs could go along way towards problems right here at home.

[ 11-12-2003, 08:50 AM: Message edited by: Straydog ]

[El Shaddai]

We share common ground in that we need to focus on issues at home. I am very comfortable with the war on terror and understand that it is in our best interest to focus on issues abroad.

My position remains the same....more money for education is not the answer...in fact a complete restructurung is in order...one that vimproves the quality of education and reduces cost. Both are attainable imho.....