Jessica Lynch

Big Willie · 11-10-2003, 07:13 AM

I'm sorry, but this insane. Could somebody please enlighten me on why she has got so much attention? What about all the other men and women over there who have WAY more interesting stories than hers?

Oh, and I just heard that she didn't even fire a shot in the ambush, she just threw her hands up. Straight from the horses mouth. Hmmm.

Ok...I vented. Flame on.

Straydog · 11-10-2003, 07:19 AM

Because the administration, through the notorious "liberal media"

chose to fabricate her rescue in an attempt to sell the nation on this false war.

Now she has told the truth and this same media is sharing her truth with us.

It is all about propoganda and selling newspapers. :depressed:

Hoosier Daddy · 11-10-2003, 07:24 AM

Don't know, don't care. I have a personal problem with the whole "instant TV movie" phenomenon. Notice the "Elizabeth Smart" thing is on too. Why do we need to take recent events, especially tragic, sad, or unfortunate ones (ala snipers in DC), and turn them into TV movies ASAP? Irritating, and in my view, irresponsible. As for whether Jessica Lynch did or didn't fire shots, I don't care. While we were all supposed to feel good when she was rescued, I can't lose sight of the fact that the whole thing was very obviously a ploy to shed positive light on the war. I don't have a problem with that, it's expected in my view, but I have no illusions about the whole thing either.

More interesting may be how the recent information about what happened to her is going to effect the whole issue of women in combat...

CATCH AND EAT · 11-10-2003, 07:24 AM

Straydog you are exactly right on the money with this one.

I will not devalue her bravery, suffering or sacrifice for our country but as far as being a hero? No dice. I will not be watching any crap concerning her unless it is an interview format.

Swamp Puppy · 11-10-2003, 07:27 AM

no flames from me. i've been ****ed off about this since dat one.

first, when the story first broke, my feelings were, "why make a big deal out of HER?" she served in the military, she did her job, why should she be any different from any other soldier (not MAN or WOMAN soldier...but just soldier.) that was a POW? my grandfather was a POW for almost 2 years in germany during WW2. i listened to his accounts of how his B-17 was shot down, how he was captured and the time he spent with the germans. it was much more interesting, but no one was looking to give him a book deal or the congressional metal of honor and that was ok with him. he did what he did for his country, not for personal gain or recognition.

now, after we find out that she wasn't a valliant hero, but that she and her companions were off joyriding around in the countryside, crashed their vehicle, and got themselves captured without even fighting back. we're still supposed to like this person? has the military changed so much in the 10 years that i left it that she gets medals for that? 10 years ago she would have been packed off to levenworth for violating about 5 different regulations.

boo-hoo Jessica Lynch. you're not worthy of the title United States Soldier. that title is reserved for people with honor, dignity, courage, and pride in their country. go away and stop disgracing the good men and women around you who are the REAL soldiers.

lost_sailor · 11-10-2003, 07:31 AM

Baloney about Reagan, BAD
Baloney about Lynch, GOOD

"BASED on a TRUE STORY" ... no what is it now, it's "RIPPED from the HEADLINES"

TV is garbage. It is a good way to watch sports, though.

Swamp Puppy · 11-10-2003, 07:36 AM

i would like to add..before the flames start rolling in, that Jessica herself lied about the accounts of what happened. it wasn't all media spin. yes, there was a lot of that too, but her original story was much different from the one she is telling now.

her glory hounding is what makes me angry. she says she doesn't want all the attention and that she is upset that the media is using her story to glorify the war. funny, you would think that a person who felt that way wouldn't have signed a huge book/movie deal to tell the story before she was even out of her hopital bed.

Fshklr · 11-10-2003, 07:54 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Big Willie:
[QB] I'm sorry, but this insane. Could somebody please enlighten me on why she has got so much attention?

My thought would be that with all the bad press at the time of a less than supported U.S. invasion they needed a sugar coated scape goat AKA J.Lynch.
What better way to get our attention or sympathy than to exploit a woman in a time of crises.
Her 15mins of fame will be tarnished in the record books of history and brings up gender issues in the military battlefield.
Was it worth all the press and T.V., book deal etc. NO!! It's too bad with all the tragedy that has unfolded there and still unfolding that this is the story that was chosen as that of a HERO [img]graemlins/berry.gif[/img]

Straydog · 11-10-2003, 08:28 AM

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Originally posted by Mossberg_3.5:
her glory hounding is what makes me angry.

Much of this war and the press surrounding it is about "glory hounding".

What about the photo ops of our President landing on an air craft carrier declaring "victory"....

When you fabricate the need for action, you must keep fabricating to keep it sold to "the people".

This presidency has been a fabrication since day one and is using the media to keep it.

11-10-2003, 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by lost_sailor:

TV is garbage. It is a good way to watch sports, though.

No way man! What about "Survivor, The Bachelor and American Idol" ? This is quality stuff

BrionLutz · 11-10-2003, 09:54 AM

Mossberg3.5,

In fairness to Lynch, when it happened she never said anything to the media, it was all via the Pentagon media office.

When she was asked, she stated flat out that the Pentagon story was false and that they used her and fabricatd the story. Something to put next to the "Mission Accomplished" banner in the Pentagon media office trophy case.

Brion

Swamp Puppy · 11-10-2003, 10:14 AM

while i agree that this has been blown way out of proportion by the media, i don't believe that Lynch is just a poor innocent in all of this. her initial accounts of this matter were inaccurate as well. though she never made a direct statement, she did make statements through various channels and those were her statements. now those statements have been found out to be false and the government has dropped her like a bad habit. so, she is playing the victim now because people found out the truth and her popularity began to wane...what better way to regain the spotlight than to point the finger at the "evil" government and act like she was a victim as well. gee..starting to sound familiar? i was a victim in iraq!! well, not really..but i am a victim of my government!! the whole thing stinks and it lessens the value of every real hero who has been awarded the bronze star or purple heart for as long as they have been awarded.

[ 11-10-2003, 11:18 AM: Message edited by: Mossberg_3.5 ]

Swamp Puppy · 11-10-2003, 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by BrionLutz:

In fairness to Lynch

just an addition..what about starting a paragraph like this. "In fairness to all the real heros in the past...."

BrionLutz · 11-10-2003, 12:03 PM

C&E,

So glad you asked <grin>. I was in Baghdad with Rumsfeld in the 1980's when Reagan Admin (Powell was National Security head and Rumsfled Asst.Sec. of Defense) when Reagan admin. stepped in to save Saddam Hussdein after he went to war with Iran. US was asking US business to do business in Iraq and was providing support to cover the risks of doing business.

Saddam was gassing the Iranians (and his own folks) plus all the other nasty stuff that the Bush Jr admin. now claims are the reasons we went to war in Iraq.

Support of Saddam by Reagan/Bush Sr continued right up to the Kuwait invasion when Bush Sr's ambassador told Saddam US would not intervene if Saddam invaded Kuwait.

Decisions by Cheney, Rumsfeld and Powell, the current leaders of Bush Jr admin kept Saddam in power.

Those decisions by those people led to US having to fight two wars in Iraq.

As with Bush Jr, the only way to fix the problem is get rid of those in the US admin who created the problem.

Hmm...what does this have to do with Lynch...well...we see folks blaming Lynch for her celebrity but the reality is that it is not her doing. It is based on a clear cut decision by the Pentagon which knew the truth but lied and is now scape goating Lynch for their lies to try and justify the war in Iraq.

Brion

Swamp Puppy · 11-10-2003, 02:09 PM

and all of that serves to prove that you can't take any sides when it comes to policy in the middle east. help them one day...they become the enemy the next.

as for Lynch, i am sure you are right Biron. she has no interest in any of this publicity. in fact, i am willing to bet she will renig on her book deal and donate all of her money from the movie rights to a worthy charity to help save the poor Iraqi people from the evil US oppressors.

why at this very moment i am sure she is about to turn in her bronze star for bravery in combat, being that she didn't deserve it and it was all just propaganda created by the evil Bush Jr.

Freakwater · 11-10-2003, 02:56 PM

M3.5
99% of this BS came out within the 24 hrs. of her rescue. Do you think that it was her that told the press that she was shot and stabbed and took out every Iraqi in site until the ammo ran out?

GutZ · 11-10-2003, 03:03 PM

The 60 minutes interview with one of the survivors from that day was very interested. The Man has been decorated with the Silver Cross I believe. His version of the events are very interesting. Seem to run pretty close to the way the NBC story went, or at least the way it began. It was interesting that the Iraqis reported that a "Blond Soldier" had put a great fight before being killed. The translation from Iraqi to english changed the gender from male to female and it is believed that one of Lynchs comrades was that soldier. The confusion in the story may have begun with that translation. It has since become "Legend".

Rooney's "tirade" was pretty good, too!

GutZ · 11-10-2003, 03:06 PM

Here is the link to the story. Bad day in Nasariyah

CATCH AND EAT · 11-10-2003, 03:09 PM

Gee Brion, you almost make enough sense this time for me to actually agree with you. Congradulations.

As far as tying it in with Jessica Lynch, you're reaching.

Swamp Puppy · 11-10-2003, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Freakwater:
M3.5
99% of this BS came out within the 24 hrs. of her rescue. Do you think that it was her that told the press that she was shot and stabbed and took out every Iraqi in site until the ammo ran out?

who said it first really isn't relavant in the discussion of whether or not she is a "hero"...a point that seems to have been lost sine the start of this thread. the point is that she never said she wasn't..she never said, "no. i can't accept this book deal. or, no. i don't deserve a medal for bravery in combat. or, no. you can't make a movie about this because it isn't accurate." until teh truth came out that she was a coward and a liar. (yes, going along with a story that wasn't true makes her a liar.)

no. she went right along with being a "hero" until the truth came out. then, now, all of a sudden she is crying victim. you think that her story now isn't being used as a battle cry by the liberals against Bush the same way it was used for the war in the beginning? nothing is different. she is still pimping out her story for politics. only the sides have changed.

Freakwater · 11-10-2003, 03:25 PM

M3.5,
I think you are scapegoating her for what was obvious propaganda put out by the Pentagon to give the US public a warm fuzzy about this war. Imagine by the time she could speak to the press how huge this lie was. Yeah, it would have been righteous if she took on the Pentagon propaganda machine right off the bat. Give her a break.

Swamp Puppy · 11-10-2003, 03:47 PM

sorry Freak..i can't. i know lots of people feel differently about this...and that is fine. i just don't buy that she is the innocent victim in all of this. pawn, puppet, instrument of propganda, or whatever else you care to refer to her as. she is as guilty as the next person.

why, do you suppose, is she coming out with this now? i am sure it is just to clear her guilty conscience and none of the liberal left has approached her with this.

"jesssssiiicaaaa...come to our side. we can save your reputation and give you credibility. we'll make you look like a victim and not a liar. you will be a hero again for standing up against the evil Bush..Saddam is our friend...there are no terrorists, only misguided people looking to be free from the opression of the evil USA."

bah.

1pump · 11-10-2003, 11:16 PM

Anybody been to her website yet? I wonder who's responsible for this tripe.

Jessica Lynch.com

BrionLutz · 11-10-2003, 11:37 PM

Mossberg 3.5

As far a Lynch being an "innocent" she certainly had ZERO to do with the PR campaign created by the Pentagon that lead to her "celebrity" status. She was incommunicado in a military hospital.

That all occurred without her involvement. Once they created the problem and it started to unravel, how much pressure do you think the Pentagon and White House can put on a Pfc recovering from injuries to cover up their story?

Another case of Bush Jr Admin hiding their phony claims behind the troops on the ground and claiming criticism of the Admin's lies is criticism of the troops, Lynch, "Mission Accomplished" banner...do you see pattern?

That they promote the Lynch story on the same day they suppress the Reagan story, the guy who saved Saddam Hussein, is too ironic.

Brion

CATCH AND EAT · 11-10-2003, 11:46 PM

Ronnie saved Saddam? :whazzup: Gotta hear this.

dampainter · 11-11-2003, 08:56 AM

so what`s up with shoswanna? johnson who was shot thru both ankles, why are we not hearing more on her? the gov. needed a hero needed some good press...we got jessica lynch

1pump · 11-11-2003, 07:24 PM

Quote:

so what`s up with shoswanna? johnson who was shot thru both ankles, why are we not hearing more on her? the gov. needed a hero needed some good press...we got jessica lynch

The answer to this is obvious. Johnson is black, not as attractive as Lynch, and she wasn't rescued solo in a raid staged for video.
The military knows who to promote as it's media darling.
It shouldn't be that way, but that's reality.

Steelhead Hound · 11-11-2003, 11:20 PM

Who is Jessica Lynch???

Thumper · 11-12-2003, 12:50 AM

She's cute. She was *****. And that sells papers.

It is really Bush's fault. He even stayed up late one night and made her website. Kinda purty in red, white and blue, don'tcha think?

roadsend · 11-12-2003, 01:58 AM

No one in the public service with any character makes money off of book deals.
If you don't believe me ask Billy Boy or Hitlery.

ORrinker · 11-12-2003, 06:41 AM

Mossberg, since you are the expert on who qualifies as a hero or not could you explain which of the fireman that died or were injured on 9/11 were heroes? I am sure there were a few that were running for there lives so does that disqualify them?

Obviously you have some envy issues to deal with. Just because she gets a book deal or attention does not mean she is a bad person. If you were offered a large sum of money just to let someone write a book about you I am sure you would turn it down?

Jessica did nothing wrong but was just part of a much bigger media frenzy that began before she was even well enough to talk.

I think it is so hypocritical for those of you that are claiming that she does not deserve hero status. Maybe she doesn't but I would bet that most of you have never been in her position or situation serving your country.

The rest of her life she will be dealing with her physical and emotional injuries just so you can sit back in you Lazy-Boy and feel safe and secure.

So lay off Jessica and blame the people that blew this whole thing out of proportion.

Randy

Straydog · 11-12-2003, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Thumper:
She's cute. She was *****. And that sells papers.

I think for the sake of accuracy, you meant to say "She's cute. She claims to have been ***** but says she can't remember it and the docs say there is no sign of that being true. And that sells papers."

Quote:

It is really Bush's fault.

Good to see that even old, silly wabbits can get it if you keep feeding them evidence long enough.........!

:tongue: :grin:

dampainter · 11-12-2003, 01:34 PM

hmmmm...what exactly were her physical injuries?? I am hearing in the oregonian that she was not ***** either?? who exactly started this jessica lynch war heroine story that she so bravely fought off her torturers and shot her way out??

HeavyMetal BankFisherman · 11-12-2003, 04:54 PM

She is definitely not a hero, but she is one tough cookie. I personally don't care to hear anything more about her but the average American apparently does. I did watch her interview with Dianne Sawyer. I don't need to see anymore.

It would be foolish for her to not take all the money that is being thrown at her. Hopefully she will spend it wisely.

Even though she survived some serious wounds, I question her physical abilities and combat readiness to be in a war zone. I think that a reevaluation of the physical requirements for soldiers is in order. If it was myself and one other person attempting to fight our way out of a situation that may involve hand to hand combat, I would not want the other person to be Jessica Lynch.

Most likely the Iraqi soldiers or Fedayeen "whoever" were ashamed when they found out that they were fighting women soldiers. Given the culture in that part of the world, I am unable to identify a country other than Israel that has female soldiers.

AllThumz · 11-12-2003, 05:50 PM

It's nothing more than another media feeding frenzy!

I have been trying to imagine if she had been unattractive, or an ethnic minority, or both. The stories would have been relegated to the back page, and I'm not exactly a bleeding heart liberal, either. :smile: She's America's latest "princess."

John

FishaholicAZ · 11-13-2003, 07:10 AM

I have to agree that the Admin did goof on their hero selection but I am not going to go Dem anytime soon.

As for J. L. being a hero, in a way she is but not to the extent of what she received.

As for her book deals and such, its hard to say no when so much green is on the other side of the fence...

Poor Jessica but not anymore... $$$