All criminal behavior isn't done by Democrat

10-30-2003, 01:35 PM

Pete · 10-30-2003, 01:39 PM

Funny how this forum went from being a place to share things like birthday, new kids, sports banter and job promotions to the endless, adversarial political mayhem. Then again, I guess it isn't funny at all. Is there some point to it? It looks like it's intended to be inflamatory; there's no objective or goal identified, no discourse, no change in anyone's perspective or understanding. So what's the point?

skahorse · 10-30-2003, 01:39 PM

What do you expect? That's politics man. You can throw them all out and start over. But, the new ones will turn into the same thing. Power corrupts.

--Skahorse

Freakwater · 10-30-2003, 01:43 PM

Pete,
I argee with you in general, but this has to be the least adversarial post Keta has ever put up.

Freak

freespool · 10-30-2003, 01:44 PM

Keta,I'am deeply shocked and awed,not really I lied about the shock and awe part. Like Ross Perot said, special interests are ruining this country.

[ 10-30-2003, 02:46 PM: Message edited by: freespool ]

CATCH AND EAT · 10-30-2003, 01:52 PM

And you expected less Lee? Why do you think the Germans and French wanted in so bad?

happybrew · 10-30-2003, 01:54 PM

If we're not careful, we'll all be thrown out, and Jennie will start all over! [img]graemlins/idea.gif[/img]

happybrew

AuntyM · 10-31-2003, 05:24 AM

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So what's the point?

<font size="2" face="verdana,arial,helvetica">I think the point is to lose your objectivity, make a butt out of yourself and upset/alienate your pals. All this just so you can rub the other sides nose in something you believe. Hope it's worth it.

I say ban politics from LIG. Birthday, new kids, sports banter and job promotions are a GOOD alternative. :smile:

Or maybe put the offenders on restriction? No LIG for 2 weeks? Must post on fishing related material only!

10-31-2003, 05:50 AM

My point is, Most politicians have dirt on them and it's time to clean house and start over.

Straydog · 10-31-2003, 06:02 AM

Pete,

I have to disagree on a couple of your thoughts.

I think there are changes in perspective and understanding that result from some of these exchanges. While they may not be admitted to or shouted out like disagreement, I don't believe that there is no positive change from these threads.

I agree that they get too personal and too passionate at times, but I do see value in them.

I gotta tell you, I was not here in the very beginning so don't what the "intent" of the 'Life in General' board was. If it indeed was to be a bulletin board announcing births and such, so be it, I didn't take it as that when I came on board. I do know I had been posting political and other Life in General stuff on another board and was invited over here by a member. (no, not Brion, <grin&gt

This person pointed out there were more civil discussions taking place and with an audience more interested in the stuff I was than on the other board I had been on. He was right.

I also think there is a ton to be gained from having an informed society. Whether anyone agrees with one another all the time or ever, there is still value in the information people gain from these posts. My belief is that many that are having perspectives changed or opinions altered are the ones that never post on the thread, simply read and learn.

An informed, well educated society is a healthier society. This is but one source of information, some good, some bad that I and others use to put forth our opinions and share others' as well as offer up lots of background material and data that many would never see.

I certainly understand the burden it places on Jen and you mods and if it is to the point that it is too much, it should be eliminated or changed to more closely reflect what the goals of Jen and the rest of you have.

However, good or bad, as it now stands, it is nothing more and nothing less than "Life in General." We can be told to keep this part of life off of this board, we can have this part of the board shut down or we can have strict criteria put in place for what can and can
not be posted. However, it will not eliminate this very real and very important part of life in general, it will merely move it to another venue or many other venues. Those of us that discuss these issues are interested in them and are caring people with differing philosophies of how things work. So goes "Life in General"....

skahorse · 10-31-2003, 06:07 AM

Straydog, [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/applause.gif[/img]

--Skahorse

Thumper · 10-31-2003, 06:22 AM

Pete --- Life in general ain't just tweety birds and fluffy kittens. Life in general is about the realities of our world, the really great ones that you describe, the pretty good ones and those that are sometimes terrifying and yucky.

So if Jennie has a board called "Life In General" it is probably reasonable to expect all these topics to be discussed. Of the last 73 topics on LIG I count 14 that you might call seriously political, or where there is significant disagreement or controversy. But note that those 14 topics have the lion's share of posts (except for the word association thread).

I like LIG, and I enjoy the exchange of ideas. I've learned a lot.

I hope LIG remains. A discussion of politics is certainly a better way of building hits than the dumb word association thread.

[ 10-31-2003, 07:30 AM: Message edited by: Thumper ]

Tanner · 10-31-2003, 08:21 AM

All criminal behavior isn't done by Democrat

\Nope, just most of it.

finclipped · 10-31-2003, 09:20 AM

Whats striking to me is that, Jennie is supporting this site as a fishing site. What has happened is that through a common interest, there are those who have found a meeting place to discuss things that the site was never designed for. Not that it isn't important or relevant, but the site isn't free and from what I gather, the arguing and tension isn't what Jennie had in mind when she started ifish. Some of you can remember the early soap opera days and the evolution of how the site became what it is.

I am just as guilty as others, but we were invited to a fishing site, but couldn't resist bringing political baggage. I can certainly understand her point and really feel it is up to her discretion to do with ifsih as she sees fit. It kind of reminds me of what my mother use to say to my brother and me: "I don't care, not in my house, take it outside boys."

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id. painter · 10-31-2003, 10:49 AM

In the past the name calling and personal attacks kept me from reading L.I.G..
But, I have gotten impression that everyone has been trying to get less offensive, less personal, and consiquently more constructive.
The Idea exchange is very valuable and can only serve to increase peoples insight, and understanding.
Much of what is being posted is educational and informitive,,,, Posters cant get too worked up over what is said, it adds too much tension, for a detached reader and becomes no fun. id. p

Thumper · 10-31-2003, 12:27 PM

Remember the power of the mouse. If you don't like political threads, don't click on them. They will never reach out of your computer and bite you!

Digifish · 10-31-2003, 11:12 PM

Since this thread has turned off topic from Keta's post to opinions of which topics LIG should cover, I have a suggestion.

Why not add another community......how 'bout somthing simple like "Politics" or "Politcal Banter" or "Political Merry-go-Round"? This would allow for spirited discussion, which I think is valuable. LIG could then be for those who would like something with a little less seriousness and a little more levity. I would visit both and have a better idea of what to expect.

And it might give Jennie some satisfaction by sending topics to the "Political Forum" for bad behavior. :grin:

FishaholicAZ · 10-31-2003, 11:47 PM

First of all, I just want to say that I love IFISH. It is the best fishing site on the web for up to the minute info on fishing and hunting in the NW. I know I live in AZ but I still tend to dream that I live in Vancouver...
LIG is to me a place where I have learned much about my feloow IFISHer's other than just their fishing interests. I have learned much about their personal lives and I have learned much on political issues. Its opened my mind to new ideas and has helped me formulate more of what I want out of life. I feel fortunate to have found IFISH and I am thankful for Jennie, the mods and all the members of IFISH because I have found my home on the net... [img]graemlins/hearton.gif[/img]

Fish on...
Romeo

Oh... and one more thing. All criminal behavior isn't done by democrats, its done by Hillary Clinton. Just kidding... I love everybody, well almost.